Is it time to consider moving Hader

[RollieTime]

Mejia would make sure we don’t have a black hole at C while making the minimum for a couple more seasons, allowing more financial flexibility instead of needing to sign someone to pair with Pina. Miller could take over the Perez role and back up 2B, SS, and 3B, and make minimum the next 2-3 years as well.

 

Depending on how effective his bat is, he could be the everyday SS. That is his main position. I obviously haven’t seen him play, but scouts say he has good range and good hands at SS as is. He just has an average arm. He could probably come up right now and be as effective as Perez was for us. He’s probably opening the season in AAA and could be the first guy up once an injury arises. Or if Arcia continues to struggle, we have a legit prospect ready to replace him and not need to worry about cycling through the DFA wire to find something mid-season.

 

And then Patino has a ton of upside. I don’t see any reason he couldn’t be a bullpen piece at the least come August. He’s in AA already and throws 98 with multiple plus pitches. He’s young, but looks like a fast mover through the system.

[mlloyd10]

Lemet/Mejía for Hader

 

Lemet is a solid #3, maybe #2 starter

Mejia would solve our catcher problem for years.

[Madhawk23]

How is Mejia defensively? I'm not into all of the defensive statistics, so hoping someone else could fill that in for me.

 

Also, would the Padres have enough SP depth, that they might also throw in one of their current SP's into a deal for Hader? Either Lauer, Lucchesi, Lamet or Quantrill. Are any of those guys worth trading for? I guess I don't know enough about these guys, but they certainly have a bunch of young SP's in their rotation, with more on the way. So, just wondering if they could trade from an area of depth?

 

Maybe a Hader for Mejia, one of the above SP's and another decent prospect?

 

Is that a reasonable trade for Hader? Too little or too much in return? To be honest, this deal wouldn't thrill me from a Brewers fan perspective, so the more I think about them as a trade partner - the less interested I am.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

How is Mejia defensively? I'm not into all of the defensive statistics, so hoping someone else could fill that in for me.

 

Also, would the Padres have enough SP depth, that they might also throw in one of their current SP's into a deal for Hader? Either Lauer, Lucchesi, Lamet or Quantrill. Are any of those guys worth trading for? I guess I don't know enough about these guys, but they certainly have a bunch of young SP's in their rotation, with more on the way. So, just wondering if they could trade from an area of depth?

 

Maybe a Hader for Mejia, one of the above SP's and another decent prospect?

 

Is that a reasonable trade for Hader? Too little or too much in return? To be honest, this deal wouldn't thrill me from a Brewers fan perspective, so the more I think about them as a trade partner - the less interested I am.

 

Me too. I'm not convinced that Mejia is anything special. He might be a step up from Nottingham as a young catching prospect, but I don't think that step is as sizable as one would think. He doesn't have any power to speak of, and from what I've seen, his defense is simply ok.

[Jopal78]

I feel inclined to bring this up every time there is a trade proposed for Hader. Milwaukee is in the middle of a contending window. Hader is their best overall pitcher, with no replacement on the roster. It just isn't logical to trade their best overall pitcher, and especially not for 'prospects' when the team has the expectation of contending.

 

I'm sure the Brewers would trade him if bowled with an offer, but what are the chances, for example, of the Padres offering Chris Paddack and Dinelson Lamet for Hader.... zip.

[KCBrewerfan34]

This just in, prospects fail. Trading Hader now is pretty ludricous considering we have Yelich for at least 3 more years. We are adding boys, no rebuild for 2-3 more years, tough pill for Brewerfan to swallow

[Madhawk23]

I feel inclined to bring this up every time there is a trade proposed for Hader. Milwaukee is in the middle of a contending window. Hader is their best overall pitcher, with no replacement on the roster. It just isn't logical to trade their best overall pitcher, and especially not for 'prospects' when the team has the expectation of contending.

 

I'm sure the Brewers would trade him if bowled with an offer, but what are the chances, for example, of the Padres offering Chris Paddack and Dinelson Lamet for Hader.... zip.

 

Generally speaking - I would agree 100% with what you are saying. I do think the Brewers would have to be literally blown away with an offer if they were to even entertain trading Hader right now. Especially considering that we are in a win-now mode. However, I also wouldn't rule it out completely. The fact is - relievers are the most volatile position in all of baseball year to year, and we already started to see a few warts with Hader this past season giving up the home run ball at a high clip. And, just look what we got for Thornburg a few years ago when we traded him to the Red Sox, and he wasn't even half the pitcher that Hader is today. So, if a team like the Dodgers gets really desperate this winter and approaches DS with a Lux/Ruiz or Lux/Gonsolin/Rios offer (where we could plug 2-3 holes at the MLB level with quality players), wouldn't you have to consider moving Hader in that situation. Then, go out and use some of that money saved to bring back Pomeranz and maybe another reliever?

[Jopal78]

I feel inclined to bring this up every time there is a trade proposed for Hader. Milwaukee is in the middle of a contending window. Hader is their best overall pitcher, with no replacement on the roster. It just isn't logical to trade their best overall pitcher, and especially not for 'prospects' when the team has the expectation of contending.

 

I'm sure the Brewers would trade him if bowled with an offer, but what are the chances, for example, of the Padres offering Chris Paddack and Dinelson Lamet for Hader.... zip.

 

Generally speaking - I would agree 100% with what you are saying. I do think the Brewers would have to be literally blown away with an offer if they were to even entertain trading Hader right now. Especially considering that we are in a win-now mode. However, I also wouldn't rule it out completely. The fact is - relievers are the most volatile position in all of baseball year to year, and we already started to see a few warts with Hader this past season giving up the home run ball at a high clip. And, just look what we got for Thornburg a few years ago when we traded him to the Red Sox, and he wasn't even half the pitcher that Hader is today. So, if a team like the Dodgers gets really desperate this winter and approaches DS with a Lux/Ruiz or Lux/Gonsolin/Rios offer (where we could plug 2-3 holes at the MLB level with quality players), wouldn't you have to consider moving Hader in that situation. Then, go out and use some of that money saved to bring back Pomeranz and maybe another reliever?

 

Honestly, I'm sure they'd think about it but the answer would be no. Why? Lux will probably be a good player, but what is anyone's guess if: the 2020 Brewers + Lux - Hader > 2019 Brewers. The other prospects are even more up in the air as to their ability to be quality players in the short run.

 

I also think, since the Dodgers are one of the teams the Brewers are competing against, a trade where the Dodgers net a valuable major league asset from their competitor without giving up anything from their currently loaded roster, isn't a trade a competing GM is likely going to make.

[wntrtxn21]

I feel inclined to bring this up every time there is a trade proposed for Hader. Milwaukee is in the middle of a contending window. Hader is their best overall pitcher, with no replacement on the roster. It just isn't logical to trade their best overall pitcher, and especially not for 'prospects' when the team has the expectation of contending.

 

I'm sure the Brewers would trade him if bowled with an offer, but what are the chances, for example, of the Padres offering Chris Paddack and Dinelson Lamet for Hader.... zip.

 

Generally speaking - I would agree 100% with what you are saying. I do think the Brewers would have to be literally blown away with an offer if they were to even entertain trading Hader right now. Especially considering that we are in a win-now mode. However, I also wouldn't rule it out completely. The fact is - relievers are the most volatile position in all of baseball year to year, and we already started to see a few warts with Hader this past season giving up the home run ball at a high clip. And, just look what we got for Thornburg a few years ago when we traded him to the Red Sox, and he wasn't even half the pitcher that Hader is today. So, if a team like the Dodgers gets really desperate this winter and approaches DS with a Lux/Ruiz or Lux/Gonsolin/Rios offer (where we could plug 2-3 holes at the MLB level with quality players), wouldn't you have to consider moving Hader in that situation. Then, go out and use some of that money saved to bring back Pomeranz and maybe another reliever?

 

Honestly, I'm sure they'd think about it but the answer would be no. Why? Lux will probably be a good player, but what is anyone's guess if: the 2020 Brewers + Lux - Hader > 2019 Brewers. The other prospects are even more up in the air as to their ability to be quality players in the short run.

 

I also think, since the Dodgers are one of the teams the Brewers are competing against, a trade where the Dodgers net a valuable major league asset from their competitor without giving up anything from their currently loaded roster, isn't a trade a competing GM is likely going to make.

 

IMO any trade with the Dodgers has to start with Wil Smith ©. Unless Stearns is going to re-sign Grandal, Smith would fit the bill for a starting catcher and free up money to sign Iglesias plus Betances ( or another decent reliever AND Pomeranz.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I feel inclined to bring this up every time there is a trade proposed for Hader. Milwaukee is in the middle of a contending window. Hader is their best overall pitcher, with no replacement on the roster. It just isn't logical to trade their best overall pitcher, and especially not for 'prospects' when the team has the expectation of contending.

 

I'm sure the Brewers would trade him if bowled with an offer, but what are the chances, for example, of the Padres offering Chris Paddack and Dinelson Lamet for Hader.... zip.

 

Generally speaking - I would agree 100% with what you are saying. I do think the Brewers would have to be literally blown away with an offer if they were to even entertain trading Hader right now. Especially considering that we are in a win-now mode. However, I also wouldn't rule it out completely. The fact is - relievers are the most volatile position in all of baseball year to year, and we already started to see a few warts with Hader this past season giving up the home run ball at a high clip. And, just look what we got for Thornburg a few years ago when we traded him to the Red Sox, and he wasn't even half the pitcher that Hader is today. So, if a team like the Dodgers gets really desperate this winter and approaches DS with a Lux/Ruiz or Lux/Gonsolin/Rios offer (where we could plug 2-3 holes at the MLB level with quality players), wouldn't you have to consider moving Hader in that situation. Then, go out and use some of that money saved to bring back Pomeranz and maybe another reliever?

 

Honestly, I'm sure they'd think about it but the answer would be no. Why? Lux will probably be a good player, but what is anyone's guess if: the 2020 Brewers + Lux - Hader > 2019 Brewers. The other prospects are even more up in the air as to their ability to be quality players in the short run.

 

I also think, since the Dodgers are one of the teams the Brewers are competing against, a trade where the Dodgers net a valuable major league asset from their competitor without giving up anything from their currently loaded roster, isn't a trade a competing GM is likely going to make.

 

Any deal with the Dodgers for Hader would need to have multiple high-end major league-ready pieces coming back, I imagine. The Brewers' ask for Hader would likely be sky high, as it should be.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Ken Rosenthal is reporting via The Athletic that Hader is in fact available, "according to major league sources."

 

Speculates that the Mets are a possible landing spot, naming J.D. Davis and Jeff McNeil as possible return chips. Also names Nationals, Dodgers and Twins ... along with pretty much any contender, as other possibilities.

[Bulldogboy]

I'm in. McNeil is a great fit if Mets want to make a deal. Love Hader of course but we may have seen his best season already. He's about to get expensive. If Knebel is back then I say move him.

[clancyphile]

Ken Rosenthal is reporting via The Athletic that Hader is in fact available, "according to major league sources."

 

Speculates that the Mets are a possible landing spot, naming J.D. Davis and Jeff McNeil as possible return chips. Also names Nationals, Dodgers and Twins ... along with pretty much any contender, as other possibilities.

 

Plug McNeil in at third... you now have a 1-4 of Urias/Hiura/Yelich/McNeil...

 

Sign Moose and Castellanos...

 

Offense is set, and a combo of Perdomo/QTC/Andrews could very well provide much of what Hader did.

[ntretts]

I'd be willing to part with Hader and I think if they do LAD or NYM are most likely. I'd need someone like Joc from the Dodgers or McNeil from the Mets to get it done though. Relievers are volatile so it may be wise to cash in on Hader now and still compete.

[Smichaelis9]

I'd be willing to part with Hader and I think if they do LAD or NYM are most likely. I'd need someone like Joc from the Dodgers or McNeil from the Mets to get it done though. Relievers are volatile so it may be wise to cash in on Hader now and still compete.

Joc Pederson headlining a deal for Hader would be absolutely awful...

[Jaylyn]

Ken Rosenthal is reporting via The Athletic that Hader is in fact available, "according to major league sources."

 

Speculates that the Mets are a possible landing spot, naming J.D. Davis and Jeff McNeil as possible return chips. Also names Nationals, Dodgers and Twins ... along with pretty much any contender, as other possibilities.

If the Mets are offering Davis AND McNeil, jump on it! It creates one issue every couple of days, but solves two everyday.

[ntretts]

I'd be willing to part with Hader and I think if they do LAD or NYM are most likely. I'd need someone like Joc from the Dodgers or McNeil from the Mets to get it done though. Relievers are volatile so it may be wise to cash in on Hader now and still compete.

Joc Pederson headlining a deal for Hader would be absolutely awful...

 

Just noticed Pederson only has 2 years of control remaining... you are correct. I'd take one of Ruiz/Smith instead as our catcher of the future.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

I’d want Edwin Diaz back in addition

[homer]

Given the volatility of most late inning relievers I am ok exploring a trade.

[nate82]

Ken Rosenthal is reporting via The Athletic that Hader is in fact available, "according to major league sources."

 

Speculates that the Mets are a possible landing spot, naming J.D. Davis and Jeff McNeil as possible return chips. Also names Nationals, Dodgers and Twins ... along with pretty much any contender, as other possibilities.

If the Mets are offering Davis AND McNeil, jump on it! It creates one issue every couple of days, but solves two everyday.

 

I would hold out for something better. I am not all that in love with McNeil and Davis is another Shaw type to me and the Brewers already have Shaw why give up a valuable asset just to get the same player back?

 

If I am trading Hader I would look at the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros, and the Twins before I even think about picking up the phone and listening to what the Mets are offering. I would prefer to trade with the Dodgers and somehow get May but I don't believe the Dodgers are going trade May.

 

I wonder if the Yankees would do Deivi Garcia and Andujar for Hader. Andujar is probably better suited at 1B than 3B which would drop his value a little bit and you may be able to get someone like Florial or Pereira in addition to Garcia and Andujar. Garcia is a top of the rotation type starting pitcher at AA right now so he is on track for either being in the majors by the middle of the next season or at the latest the 2021 season.

 

Garcia is a 50 FV type of a prospect so he is definitely in the range of what you can expect for a Hader return prospect wise. The biggest down size is his height at 5'9" other than that his biggest issue would be his BB/9 but his K/9 has been about 12 K/9 which is in the elite range for starting pitchers. If you can get Andujar and Garcia from the Yankees that gives you a stud 1B/3B and a #1/2 pitcher with Ace potential.

 

Preferably the best trade options are with the Astros, Dodgers and Twins in terms of MLB ready players who have a lot of control left. For the Dodgers you are looking at trying to center something around May or Ruiz. For the Astros it is Whitley and for the Twins Lewis, Kiriloff, or Graterol would be the center pieces of a trade for Hader. I don't think the Twins will trade either of those three for Hader and the same with the Astros and Whitley.

 

Realistically I think a Hader trade comes down to the Yankees, Dodgers and the Mets. I don't see the Mets having the players the Brewers want and the ones the Brewers do want are probably not available. The same probably goes with the Dodgers with May and Ruiz being off the table for Hader so you are looking at second tier players from the Dodgers in Downs, Gray and Cartaya. While I like Gray from the Dodgers I am just not that in love with him and Downs being the center pieces for a Hader trade.

 

I just don't see a Hader trade as a possibility as I don't believe the assets are available for a Hader trade to happen.

[wntrtxn21]

Ken Rosenthal is reporting via The Athletic that Hader is in fact available, "according to major league sources."

 

Speculates that the Mets are a possible landing spot, naming J.D. Davis and Jeff McNeil as possible return chips. Also names Nationals, Dodgers and Twins ... along with pretty much any contender, as other possibilities.

If the Mets are offering Davis AND McNeil, jump on it! It creates one issue every couple of days, but solves two everyday.

 

I would hold out for something better. I am not all that in love with McNeil and Davis is another Shaw type to me and the Brewers already have Shaw why give up a valuable asset just to get the same player back?

 

If I am trading Hader I would look at the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros, and the Twins before I even think about picking up the phone and listening to what the Mets are offering. I would prefer to trade with the Dodgers and somehow get May but I don't believe the Dodgers are going trade May.

 

I wonder if the Yankees would do Deivi Garcia and Andujar for Hader. Andujar is probably better suited at 1B than 3B which would drop his value a little bit and you may be able to get someone like Florial or Pereira in addition to Garcia and Andujar. Garcia is a top of the rotation type starting pitcher at AA right now so he is on track for either being in the majors by the middle of the next season or at the latest the 2021 season.

 

Garcia is a 50 FV type of a prospect so he is definitely in the range of what you can expect for a Hader return prospect wise. The biggest down size is his height at 5'9" other than that his biggest issue would be his BB/9 but his K/9 has been about 12 K/9 which is in the elite range for starting pitchers. If you can get Andujar and Garcia from the Yankees that gives you a stud 1B/3B and a #1/2 pitcher with Ace potential.

 

Preferably the best trade options are with the Astros, Dodgers and Twins in terms of MLB ready players who have a lot of control left. For the Dodgers you are looking at trying to center something around May or Ruiz. For the Astros it is Whitley and for the Twins Lewis, Kiriloff, or Graterol would be the center pieces of a trade for Hader. I don't think the Twins will trade either of those three for Hader and the same with the Astros and Whitley.

 

Realistically I think a Hader trade comes down to the Yankees, Dodgers and the Mets. I don't see the Mets having the players the Brewers want and the ones the Brewers do want are probably not available. The same probably goes with the Dodgers with May and Ruiz being off the table for Hader so you are looking at second tier players from the Dodgers in Downs, Gray and Cartaya. While I like Gray from the Dodgers I am just not that in love with him and Downs being the center pieces for a Hader trade.

 

I just don't see a Hader trade as a possibility as I don't believe the assets are available for a Hader trade to happen.

 

Andujar was one of the worst 3B in modern history in 2018. He is a 1B at best and that downgrades his value to the Brewers a lot. The Brewers need MLB ready prospects if they are going to trade Hader. Garcia struggled in his AAA time, so he needs at least another year. IMO they could do better.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I'm to the point that I'll be somewhat let down if they don't trade him. His value is as high as it's ever going to be going forward as he gets closer to FA. And the more that NL batters face him, the easier he'll likely be able to time up if he's going to keep trying to get by on one pitch. The HR rate last year was alarming. And I'm excited thinking about Stearns taking bids and selecting the talent he's highest on in return.