Nelson to IL Burnes recalled

[OnTheBlack]

This is tough to swallow and I've been worrying about this all offseason/season. It's usually such a bumpy road back, trying to get normal after a major shoulder surgery. I hope this is just a setback that he can overcome. I hope he can get back and be effective in the majors. Some can get through it, some can't. I think I'm finally going to let go of my hopes of him being a dominant starter again. My new hopes are that he can get through this and still be starter for many years. My other hope is, he reinvents himself in the bullpen, and becomes good there. Either way, I wish him the best in this tough time.

 

 

I hate saying it because Nelson was the exact type of guy that you want and you need, but I can't see him coming back and being the guy he was. The chasm between where he was this year in his few outings and the pitcher he was when he got injured was enormous.

 

He was breaking out and developing into an ace-type pitcher when he got hurt and now...like you, I just hope he can have a successful career and he can earn a good living, but I don't think the Brewers can count on getting anything from him.

 

 

I'm just curious, all the talk about them changing his mechanics, I haven't looked at them from before vs now, but whatever he changed, it completely changed the movement he used to get on his FB. It wasn't just the velocity, his ball didn't have that late life.

 

Again, I wish him good luck, but it gonna be two years pretty soon and there's not much light at the end of the tunnel.

[OnTheBlack]

The bullpen needs help too and Burnes hasn't given up a run in 9 AAA innings. I don't really want to see him out there right now either but he has better stuff than a lot of other candidates we have, if he can put it together he can be an asset in the 2nd half.

 

But do you shove talent into a need (where he's not succeeding) or play the long game. I play the long game on Burnes. Peralta Hader there is reason to point to the pen. 1 success 2 pitch mix. Burnes there is no reason to put him in the pen but a short term need for bodies.

 

 

I'm with you on Burnes and I could still see him given another shot in the rotation this year depending on what happens, but I'd rather see him refining his stuff in AAA right now.

 

He's just waaay too talented and we need home grown starters with his type of upside way too much to take a 2nd year from Burnes and use him out of the pen.

[OnTheBlack]

Since the crew has decided to NOT start Burnes again this year, he needs to pitch in high leverage pressure packed situations as much as possible. Outside of Hader and maybe Jeffress, he’s got the best stuff and imo, is the anti-Barnes, keep him as far away from mop up low leverage situations as possible.

 

 

So you take the guy who's been the worst and you make SURE that he never pitches in low leverage situations? Why?

 

I'd think you give him a few outings in lower leverage situations and hope that he can figure it out and start hitting his spots.

[OnTheBlack]

I'm still not overly concerned about Burnes. Needs to sort out the FB command, but his stuff is simply too good to continue to be punished this way. There's a strong correlation between high strikeout rate and *lower* HR/FB rates and lower BABIP. Burnes has an elite strikeout rate, and we've all seen his stuff. This won't continue. I know I've been saying it for a while, but in the grand scheme of things 40 innings still isn't much. I'm confident he'll have a RoS ERA below 4. Which still will leave him with a horrible overall ERA for the season, but but can't change what's happened, only look forward.

 

It's not just FB command. Burnes can't throw his "stuff" for strikes when he needs it. He gets behind in the count and has to come in with a FB that catches too much of the plate and the Brewer OFs watch another ball sail out of the park. He has shown the same thing as a reliever. He needs to stay in AAA and get his mechanics corrected to where he was last year.

 

 

It's his fastball. It's almost always fastball location when a young pitcher with elite stuff struggles and that's exactly what it is with Burnes. I'm sure he can throw his pitchers for strikes. That's not really the point though. It starts with getting ahead with the fastball like it does with everyone. He's not doing that right now. So hitters can lay off his other 3 pitches and sit FB and then when he has to throw one, they're ambushing it. It's pretty simple to see, obviously not as simple to fix.

 

 

When the guys dominating...as he's done for stretches this year, it's all about his FB.

[brewmann04]

The issue we all knew this Nelson issue could go very wrong and it looks like it has. We also knew the young arms for the rotation could backfire and to a degree it has that Burnes and Peralta are in the pen now. The worst case scenario has comp to the rotation.

Now it is looking like DS will have to go on the hunt for a starter.

[OnTheBlack]

The issue we all knew this Nelson issue could go very wrong and it looks like it has. We also knew the young arms for the rotation could backfire and to a degree it has that Burnes and Peralta are in the pen now. The worst case scenario has comp to the rotation.

Now it is looking like DS will have to go on the hunt for a starter.

 

 

Yeah, but you didn't think all those things would happen. That Peralta, Burnes, Chacin would all be bad, Nelson after a year and a half would look as bad as he has and on top of that, you lost a dominant BP arm and another potentially dominant BP arm.

 

Davies pitching well until recently and Woodruff have been huge keeping our heads above water. We're getting to the point that if we can't get the starting pitching to improve, DS's picking up another still won't be enough.

[Brew crew 92]

Since the crew has decided to NOT start Burnes again this year, he needs to pitch in high leverage pressure packed situations as much as possible. Outside of Hader and maybe Jeffress, he’s got the best stuff and imo, is the anti-Barnes, keep him as far away from mop up low leverage situations as possible.

 

 

So you take the guy who's been the worst and you make SURE that he never pitches in low leverage situations? Why?

 

I'd think you give him a few outings in lower leverage situations and hope that he can figure it out and start hitting his spots.

 

Unfortunately or fortunately, some pitchers are just better the more stressful the situation and conversely subconsciously “let down”in low leverage situations. Some elite closers are like that. I’m convinced he’s that way.

[OnTheBlack]

Since the crew has decided to NOT start Burnes again this year, he needs to pitch in high leverage pressure packed situations as much as possible. Outside of Hader and maybe Jeffress, he’s got the best stuff and imo, is the anti-Barnes, keep him as far away from mop up low leverage situations as possible.

 

 

So you take the guy who's been the worst and you make SURE that he never pitches in low leverage situations? Why?

 

I'd think you give him a few outings in lower leverage situations and hope that he can figure it out and start hitting his spots.

 

Unfortunately or fortunately, some pitchers are just better the more stressful the situation and conversely subconsciously “let down”in low leverage situations. Some elite closers are like that. I’m convinced he’s that way.

 

 

There aren't "low leverage" situations when you're fighting to stay in the major leagues. That's just not how athletes function.

 

Could that be applicable to maybe Craig Kimbrel who hasn't pitched in 5 days and needs to just get some work? Or with someone like...Aroldish Chapman? Maybe. No way that happens with a guy frankly doesn't deserve to be in the big leagues this year based on what he's done.

 

If he can't get himself up for ANY situation, then he just doesn't have what it takes to be a big leaguer. So...I really hope you're wrong on that end. When a guy with an 8.85 ERA comes into a game after being called up, he'd BETTER be ready to go no matter what, not just in games with a one run lead.

[willie key]

I find it a little weird how excuses are flying for burnes. The guy has barely pitched for the brewers. He was a nice part of the bullpen last year. Was expected to do more this year and was so bad he’s been demoted in every spot

 

He’s given up 1.2 billion homers this year and the way he’s pitched to lefties he’s become a roogy

 

His use is better out the bullpen where CC can mix and match his usage

 

He probably doesn’t belong here yet this year but we are so bad any arm that’s had any success in the last will do

 

This team sucks

[Brew crew 92]

I find it a little weird how excuses are flying for burnes. The guy has barely pitched for the brewers. He was a nice part of the bullpen last year. Was expected to do more this year and was so bad he’s been demoted in every spot

 

He’s given up 1.2 billion homers this year and the way he’s pitched to lefties he’s become a roogy

 

His use is better out the bullpen where CC can mix and match his usage

 

He probably doesn’t belong here yet this year but we are so bad any arm that’s had any success in the last will do

 

This team sucks

 

I’m angry too.

 

My anger lies with the fact that we “need” Burnes so bad to pitch in the bullpen that we can’t take the long view like we should with him. He’s a starter period. Should have been in AAA for the last 2 months STARTING. We all know this already. Lack the arms in the pen, lack the arms in the rotation, lack the $ to have a payroll reflective of a team 1 game from the WS. Let’s put the blame where it belongs > lack of PAYROLL.

 

Stearns can only do so much on the CHEAP. Not gonna go any further with that, no need to. We ALL know this already, but we still pretend we have a chance to win it, yeah sure < 1%. Zero for 49 and counting, but who’s counting. 0 for 15 for Attanasio but who’s counting. Local beat writers “astonished” at a 127 mil payroll, meanwhile the Cincinnati reds, a team I would argue not as equipped as us to win, SPENDS MORE ON THEIR PAYROLL THIS YEAR THAN US. 76-86 million GROSS profit, yes GROSS, not NET, since we’ll never know the net but can confidently say another extremely healthy profit for Attanasio & investors. Attanasio has said in the past (can’t remember when, so don’t ask, but someone out there besides me can confirm, because it was said) that he would bankroll profits to increase payroll WHEN NEEDED.

 

WELL ITS NEEDED!!!!

 

Give Stearns the $ to buy a pen arm or 2 so Burnes can pitch where and how he belongs.

[JohnBriggs12]

What did Jay Jackson get? 3 appearences? I know he struggled but everybody else gets multiple chances. Now they have a 40 man spot too. Why keep bringing back Burnes? Take the pressure off him and let him start.

[TJseven7]

Not just that, Hart was fine, Petricka was fine and dealt, Smith did a fine job.

[Pugger]

The issue we all knew this Nelson issue could go very wrong and it looks like it has. We also knew the young arms for the rotation could backfire and to a degree it has that Burnes and Peralta are in the pen now. The worst case scenario has comp to the rotation.

Now it is looking like DS will have to go on the hunt for a starter.

 

 

Yeah, but you didn't think all those things would happen. That Peralta, Burnes, Chacin would all be bad, Nelson after a year and a half would look as bad as he has and on top of that, you lost a dominant BP arm and another potentially dominant BP arm.

 

Davies pitching well until recently and Woodruff have been huge keeping our heads above water. We're getting to the point that if we can't get the starting pitching to improve, DS's picking up another still won't be enough.

 

But it sure wouldn't hurt...

[Roderick]

The issue we all knew this Nelson issue could go very wrong and it looks like it has. We also knew the young arms for the rotation could backfire and to a degree it has that Burnes and Peralta are in the pen now. The worst case scenario has comp to the rotation.

Now it is looking like DS will have to go on the hunt for a starter.

 

 

Yeah, but you didn't think all those things would happen. That Peralta, Burnes, Chacin would all be bad, Nelson after a year and a half would look as bad as he has and on top of that, you lost a dominant BP arm and another potentially dominant BP arm.

 

Davies pitching well until recently and Woodruff have been huge keeping our heads above water. We're getting to the point that if we can't get the starting pitching to improve, DS's picking up another still won't be enough.

 

But it sure wouldn't hurt...

 

It will if it doesn't get us to the playoffs, and we should have been unloading instead.

 

Besides the obvious problem that we don't have enough pitching, the issue will be - okay we traded for a starter now roll the dice to see who you take out of the rotation - because other than Woodruff, they have all been bad the last month.

[wntrtxn21]

Not just that, Hart was fine, Petricka was fine and dealt, Smith did a fine job.

 

Hart: 6.2 IPs - 4 hits -5 BBs.... Petricka: 8 IPs - 6 Hits - 7 BBs. Both had better ERAs than Burnes, but that's not saying a whole lot.

[djoctagone]

jimmy nelson transferred to the 60-day injured list while on his rehab assignment.

[adambr2]

Well there's the roster spot for Devin Williams.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

It can be backdated. He’ll be eligible to be activated at the end of this month.

[djoctagone]

jimmy nelson threw 3.0 innings today for the missions. he allowed no baserunners and struck out five.

[geargroy]

Corbin Burnes. Okay then. Not too optimistic.

[geargroy]

Not a bit surprising.

 

Hope he can turn it around. Won't be one bit surprised if he cannot.

 

Jimmy Nelson is Exhibit A for why we need a DH in the NL. A stupid slide back to the bag may have cost him a great career. Protect the pitchers!

Agreed. Plus pitchers are boring when up to bat. No excitement. Have a 30 player active roster and give ML managers the DH rule with unlimited DH player option meaning have a offensive roster and a defensive roster. Defensive roster players can hit later in game and visa versa.

[SerenityNow]

jimmy nelson threw 3.0 innings today for the missions. he allowed no baserunners and struck out five.

 

Great news!! I just can't give up hope for his future. He's worked too hard to not get another shot.

[MrTPlush]

Not a bit surprising.

 

Hope he can turn it around. Won't be one bit surprised if he cannot.

 

Jimmy Nelson is Exhibit A for why we need a DH in the NL. A stupid slide back to the bag may have cost him a great career. Protect the pitchers!

Agreed. Plus pitchers are boring when up to bat. No excitement.

 

[Mudville9]

Not a bit surprising.

 

Hope he can turn it around. Won't be one bit surprised if he cannot.

 

Jimmy Nelson is Exhibit A for why we need a DH in the NL. A stupid slide back to the bag may have cost him a great career. Protect the pitchers!

Agreed. Plus pitchers are boring when up to bat. No excitement.

 

 

 

 

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