Starting Pitching - 2019 Trade Deadline Edition

[Brewcrewin07]

Ken Rosenthal

@Ken_Rosenthal

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More evidence #Mets do not intend to take step back: Sources say team is asking for major-league or major-league ready pieces for Syndergaard, even from clubs with top farm systems.

 

 

In all honesty, the Brewers might be the best equipped of all contenders to be able to put something together(mostly because no one wants to sacrifice major league ready pieces).

[StCroixCtyBrewer]

Ken Rosenthal

@Ken_Rosenthal

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More evidence #Mets do not intend to take step back: Sources say team is asking for major-league or major-league ready pieces for Syndergaard, even from clubs with top farm systems.

 

 

In all honesty, the Brewers might be the best equipped of all contenders to be able to put something together(mostly because no one wants to sacrifice major league ready pieces).

I thought this same thing. Everyone talks constantly about prospect pools and rightfully so but blissfully ignores recently graduated from the farm or in the farm with major league experience.

 

Call me crazy but I would include Burnes, Peralta, + in an offer

[tmwiese55]

Correct, with our MLB/AAA young pitchers in Peralta/Burnes, Grisham, plus the wild card of Moose/Grandal and how Mets would value them on expirings (tough to say since Mets are unpredictable) it could be the framework to something. Still, I think someone trumps what MKE is willing to do. I'm still doubtful MKE is willing to give up on Burnes, I think they still really think (weird phrasing) he's going to be very good. And I also don't think Mets trade him unless they get blown away

[A Swing and A Drive]

Unfortuately, the + would have to be Keston for Thor.

 

Thor being available was a smokescreen anyway.

 

They wanted to gauge which pieces that contending teams would be willing to part with and then try to pivot to selling the team Wheeler instead.

 

I would bet big money that Syndergaard isn't going anywhere this deadline.

[StCroixCtyBrewer]

Unfortuately, the + would have to be Keston for Thor.

 

Thor being available was a smokescreen anyway.

 

They wanted to gauge which pieces that contending teams would be willing to part with and then try to pivot to selling the team Wheeler instead.

 

I would bet big money that Syndergaard isn't going anywhere this deadline.

I think assuming we know anything about what the Mets are going to do is stretching it, me included.

 

I will say I think you may be giving the Mets too much credit there in terms of potential creativity and intelligence.

[pacopete4]

My question is, is Thor that good?

[mlloyd10]

My question is, is Thor that good?

 

If he can get a pitching coach...He's a really good thrower, just hasn't transitioned into a pitcher yet....If that makes sense.

[tmwiese55]

I think he is, probably moreso than most pitchers who've been overblown of late such as an Archer and other examples. Heck, plenty of the other guys being thrown around this year as well.

 

He's had 4 seasons in the bigs with no seasons over a 3.2 ERA and had a 3.0 just last year in 25 starts. Throw in that you can see the TOR 'stuff' and yea I think he should be viewed this strongly. This year yes the numbers are down a bit though but throw in the mess of a team he's on and small sample. Also only age 26/27 and controlled for two more years he's the rare legit ace level type pitcher that's available to a team like us since he doesn't have a big contract.

 

Really, the Mets would be foolish to trade him. They need to just clean up their house around him. Him, Degrom, Stroman is like half of what you need to make the playoffs.

[Brewcrewin07]

Reds talking to Indians about Trevor Bauer....Huh??

 

Ken Rosenthal

@Ken_Rosenthal

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#Reds among teams talking to #Indians about Trevor Bauer, sources tell The Athletic. Outfielder Taylor Trammell, one of CIN’s top prospects, among names under discussion. Trammell has regressed this season, batting .236 with a .688 OPS at Double A. @TheAthleticMLB

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[HiAndTight]

Unfortuately, the + would have to be Keston for Thor.

 

Thor being available was a smokescreen anyway.

 

They wanted to gauge which pieces that contending teams would be willing to part with and then try to pivot to selling the team Wheeler instead.

 

I would bet big money that Syndergaard isn't going anywhere this deadline.

 

 

No....no it would not. It would NOT cost Hiura+ anything for Syndergaard, certainly not Burnes+Peralta+Keston.

[young guns]

Reds talking to Indians about Trevor Bauer....Huh??

 

Ken Rosenthal

@Ken_Rosenthal

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#Reds among teams talking to #Indians about Trevor Bauer, sources tell The Athletic. Outfielder Taylor Trammell, one of CIN’s top prospects, among names under discussion. Trammell has regressed this season, batting .236 with a .688 OPS at Double A. @TheAthleticMLB

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Buying when your practically out of it is the new market inefficiency?

[TURBO]

So odd that the Yankees and Astros are interested in every freaking top arm on the trade block...

 

So frustrating that the haves are always in the mix for the big guns while the rest of us are picking up scraps like Jordan Lyles.

[Brewcrewin07]

So odd that the Yankees and Astros are interested in every freaking top arm on the trade block...

 

So frustrating that the haves are always in the mix for the big guns while the rest of us are picking up scraps like Jordan Lyles.

 

Yes but it seems like no one wants to trade wit hthe Yankees, and that's fine with me.

[brooks_quichenick]

Syndergaard looks stellar tonight. Granted he’s facing the White Sox, but he’s blowing 98-100 by guys with sharp downward movement, slider is sharp too.

 

5 IP 1 H 0 ER 7 K so far

[Brewcrewin07]

Syndergaard looks stellar tonight. Granted he’s facing the White Sox, but he’s blowing 98-100 by guys with sharp downward movement, slider is sharp too.

 

5 IP 1 H 0 ER 7 K so far

 

God, I'd love to have him, he has been my preferred target all along.

[Brewcrewin07]

Mark Feinsand

@Feinsand

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Another GM on the Bauer deal: "Crazy that the Reds and Mets have acquired the two biggest players thus far. Throwing supply and demand out of whack." Contenders including the Yankees, Astros, Twins and Brewers still in search of a starter with 17 hours until the deadline.

[Warning Track Power]

I want to win as much as the next guy but what gives you any modicum of confidence that the 2019 Brewers can compete with the Dodgers, Yankees or Astros? Heck maybe even the Nationals or Braves. 2018 Brewers were amazing and talented and played such good baseball. The inconsistency of the 2019 Brewers will not be solved by trading for Syndergaard or Wheeler or whoever else. Unfortunately this team will be better served by standing pat and hoping that the players that carried them to a game from the World Series in 2018 rebound. Short of that, there is no trade that can solve the inconsistencies found in the 2019 version of the Brewers.

[StCroixCtyBrewer]

I want to win as much as the next guy but what gives you any modicum of confidence that the 2019 Brewers can compete with the Dodgers, Yankees or Astros? Heck maybe even the Nationals or Braves. 2018 Brewers were amazing and talented and played such good baseball. The inconsistency of the 2019 Brewers will not be solved by trading for Syndergaard or Wheeler or whoever else. Unfortunately this team will be better served by standing pat and hoping that the players that carried them to a game from the World Series in 2018 rebound. Short of that, there is no trade that can solve the inconsistencies found in the 2019 version of the Brewers.

You don't need to be good enough to beat those teams on a consistent basis throughout the year. You have to be good enough to beat those teams for one 7 games stretch of games.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I want to win as much as the next guy but what gives you any modicum of confidence that the 2019 Brewers can compete with the Dodgers, Yankees or Astros? Heck maybe even the Nationals or Braves. 2018 Brewers were amazing and talented and played such good baseball. The inconsistency of the 2019 Brewers will not be solved by trading for Syndergaard or Wheeler or whoever else. Unfortunately this team will be better served by standing pat and hoping that the players that carried them to a game from the World Series in 2018 rebound. Short of that, there is no trade that can solve the inconsistencies found in the 2019 version of the Brewers.

You don't need to be good enough to beat those teams on a consistent basis throughout the year. You have to be good enough to beat those teams for one 7 games stretch of games.

 

The playoffs are a whole different animal. Get there, and anything can happen. No one is handing the Dodgers, Astros or Yankees a World Series trophy yet.

[Lathund]

Alex Wood is an interesting option. It assumes, of course, that the Reds acquired Bauer for 2020 and not for competing in 2019. One of the best pitchers likely to be available. The risk involved is that he's only pitched 16 innings between the minors and majors this year, but that perhaps also brings the acquisition cost down. If we're looking at rentals, he's one of my top choices.

[tmwiese55]

I could get behind that Alex Wood idea as well. I actually was just looking up his contract details and saw he's a FA. Maybe there is a reliever you can get with him too. I checked Hughes and he has a cheap team option for next year, which presumably we'd like, but if they're planning on contending next year they'd like to keep him.

 

Reds should have money to spend though. They might like the idea of keeping Wood and being the better position to resign him if he finishes well.

[Warning Track Power]

 

Fully expect this to get done and be completed underwhelmed.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Fully expect this to get done and be completed underwhelmed.

 

Leake is a hole-filler, but that's about it. But if the Mariners eat a big chunk of that contract, you can certainly do a lot worse for a back-end starter.

[mlloyd10]

 

Fully expect this to get done and be completed underwhelmed.

 

Since the M's got 17mil to cover the last three years of the deal, i wonder if the Brewers would get around $5mil to cover next season.

[Warning Track Power]

Leake as a #5 behind Woodruff, Wheeler/Ray, Gio and Anderson is fine. The problem is getting that Wheeler or Ray type. A rotation of Anderson, Davies, Leake, Houser and Lyles just isn't good enough and the Brewers will fade.