Badgers Football 2019

[homer]

I mean UW has NEVER had a player as good as Chase Young. OSU has had two Bosas that were almost as good.

I think JJ Watt is pretty close. But they certainly don't have anyone like that now.

 

Agreed.

[adambr2]

After the MSU game, I really did think maybe our defense was good enough to give us a chance to take that step this year. I was wrong.

 

Not sure what has happened since then, but they've been pretty well exposed as pretenders. There just isn't a nice way to put it. They were lost in the second half today against OSU.

[LouisEly]

Badgers dline looks like they are high school players playing against an NFL oline.

 

This was an issue last year and it looks like it has continued from last year. The dline gets no push at all and just gets manhandled all game. It happened last week and it is happening again this week. At best this dline is a 2nd string players on just about every top 25 team and for a top 5 team they are not even 3rd string players.

The problem isn't the talent on the DL, it's that they only have two DL on the field. A 2-4-5 is not going to control the LOS against a 3-WR read option team. 5 OL versus 2 DL; the OL is going to win in the run game.

[PeaveyFury]

It's quite clear you're going to die on this hill, but again, there are people who do this for a living who recognize that OSU had SIXTY four and five star recruits from this recruiting class while Wisconsin had nine.

 

That's also a testament to the coaching at Wisconsin, who have a high level of success and DO put a decent amount of talent into the NFL by coaching them up. A lot of guys can make it on atheticism alone, but Wisconsin makes better football players and wins a lot of games as a result.

 

But, when they play a really, really good team like OSU, you're going to need the breaks to go your way to win. And they certainly didn't today.

[yourout]

Any chance of getting to the next level begins with

Turning the offensive line back into what it used to be and that means Bostad has to be the O line coach next year.

[brewcrewdue80]

This is on Chryst. He didnt go to QB2 as Coan clearly had nothing more than 20yards in his arm total on any drive. They went wildcat that 3play stretch gained about 30? Then the idea of having a TE try blocking that DE? More than two failed times. Adjustments? None. Not even more wildcat. Meanwhile OSI seen they need to make any kind of playcalls that took Baun out of the play and boom found success.

Total embarrassment from about 16 of those players on the field today. No fire, drive, or emotions shown. Lazy gave up on plays when beaten slightly. Sad day to be Badgers fan.

[PeaveyFury]

This is on Chryst. He didnt go to QB2 as Coan clearly had nothing more than 20yards in his arm total on any drive. They went wildcat that 3play stretch gained about 30? Then the idea of having a TE try blocking that DE? More than two failed times. Adjustments? None. Not even more wildcat. Meanwhile OSI seen they need to make any kind of playcalls that took Baun out of the play and boom found success.

Total embarrassment from about 16 of those players on the field today. No fire, drive, or emotions shown. Lazy gave up on plays when beaten slightly. Sad day to be Badgers fan.

 

1) How many throws of 20+ did Fields, a Heisman-candidate QB have in him today? There was a driving rain, and that wasn't the environment to get Mertz into a game regardless of how you feel about Coan. (The answer to the question in the first part is two, and one was 21 yards, just for the record.)

 

2)I'm 99% sure they did run wildcat on a drive in the second half, also for the record.

[OldHeidelberg]

I advocated for Mertz at halftime but there was nothing he could have done that would have changed anything today. That said, now that we are out of the CFP picture maybe it's time to give him some playing time so we know more where we are at going into next year? Coan has been pretty mediocre overall, maybe it's the scheme but we don't lack in weapons at WR.

[WV Brew]

Barry Alvarez beat them 3 times in his last 5 years with, arguably, less talent than this team. Bielema only beat them once in his last 5 years but only one of those games was by more than a touchdown. Chryst has never beaten them. To me, the difference is that Chryst's teams are relatively soft compared to what Wisconsin used to be. They were very rarely beaten up at the line of scrimmage. That this team is soft was seen in the Minnesota game last year where the Goofers totally dominated them in the 4th quarter. Yes, there is a talent difference but that didn't used to matter as much.

[adambr2]

The West really stinks. Minnesota would have to be in the CFP if they run it and beat PSU, Iowa and win the B10 championship but that ain't gonna happen.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Thanks for making my point for me with that chart, homer.

[OldHeidelberg]

The West really stinks. Minnesota would have to be in the CFP if they run it and beat PSU, Iowa and win the B10 championship but that ain't gonna happen.

 

The Goofs could lose to Penn State and still get in if they beat OSU in the BTC but yeah, that ain't going to happen. Ohio State probably has a mulligan now as they will steamroll whoever comes out of the west. I guess if they lose to PSU they could be left out of the BTC again though.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

It's quite clear you're going to die on this hill

 

From the looks of the chart homer provided, it looks like it's your hill to die on. The NFL talent gap between the two is not as lopsided as the results have been.

 

Anyone want to comment on the Clemson / Wisconsin NFL numbers relative to NCAAF results?

[homer]

Thanks for making my point for me with that chart, homer.

 

Which point was that?

[True Blue Brew Crew]

They wouldn't have beat Ohio State with 2 months of preparation.

 

Agreed. Unless of course they used the 2 months to install an entirely new, less predictable, more dynamic offense.

[adambr2]

So yeah, you still haven't responded to the disparity in 4 and 5 star recruits and just keep bringing up that UW has good NFL players too and just thank everyone for "making your point" when they present contrary evidence.

 

Not sure what else to say, it's impossible to have a meaningful debate with a guy who just says, "See, told ya I was right!" every time someone introduces evidence that goes against your point.

 

Hopefully if they meet OSU again they can install this new better and more dynamic offense with the same players to close that 31 point gap between the two teams.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Teams that have beaten Ohio State since the last time Wisconsin beat them in 2010...

 

Michigan State - 3 times

Purdue - 2 times

Penn St - 2 times

Clemson - 2 times

Iowa - 1

Michigan - 1

Nebraska - 1

Virginia Tech - 1

Miami - 1

Florida - 1

Oklahoma -1

 

Who on that list is churning out significantly more NFL players than Wisconsin? Just as telling is how many of those teams have churned out less and still have wins over Ohio State.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Not sure what else to say, it's impossible to have a meaningful debate with a guy who just says, "See, told ya I was right!" every time someone introduces evidence that goes against your point.

 

Try having a debate with someone who has produced no evidence and chalks everything up to lack of talent despite the number of Badgers enjoying strong NFL success, and doesn't even consider that scheme might be holding them back in college.

[adambr2]

Not sure what else to say, it's impossible to have a meaningful debate with a guy who just says, "See, told ya I was right!" every time someone introduces evidence that goes against your point.

 

Try having a debate with someone who has produced no evidence and chalks everything up to lack of talent despite the number of Badgers enjoying strong NFL success, and doesn't even consider that scheme might be holding them back in college.

 

Literally almost everyone has conceded that scheme and coaching could be better. You just don't even really notice it because you're too busy telling everyone here how wrong we are.

 

And plenty of folks have produced evidence. You just refuse to hear anything that you don't want to hear.

[homer]

Not sure what else to say, it's impossible to have a meaningful debate with a guy who just says, "See, told ya I was right!" every time someone introduces evidence that goes against your point.

 

Try having a debate with someone who has produced no evidence and chalks everything up to lack of talent despite the number of Badgers enjoying strong NFL success, and doesn't even consider that scheme might be holding them back in college.

 

UW has won 77% of their games since 2009. That's 6th best in college football. I guess I'm curious how much you think they should have won. to me, the # of guys in the nFL is about what I thought it would be. They are a top 15 program. They are not a top 5 program.

[adambr2]

Not sure what else to say, it's impossible to have a meaningful debate with a guy who just says, "See, told ya I was right!" every time someone introduces evidence that goes against your point.

 

Try having a debate with someone who has produced no evidence and chalks everything up to lack of talent despite the number of Badgers enjoying strong NFL success, and doesn't even consider that scheme might be holding them back in college.

 

UW has won 77% of their games since 2009. That's 6th best in college football. I guess I'm curious how much you think they should have won. to me, the # of guys in the nFL is about what I thought it would be. They are a top 15 program. They are not a top 5 program.

 

I'd argue they've probably overperforned.

 

Yeah, I'd like to see them have a little better success in big conference games, but they've been relatively successful in big bowl games. All in all, they certainly haven't underperformed their talent level overall.

 

A top QB recruit has eluded them since Wilson transferred and that's probably the biggest thing that has held them back from being a next level team.

[PeaveyFury]

Not sure what else to say, it's impossible to have a meaningful debate with a guy who just says, "See, told ya I was right!" every time someone introduces evidence that goes against your point.

 

Try having a debate with someone who has produced no evidence and chalks everything up to lack of talent despite the number of Badgers enjoying strong NFL success, and doesn't even consider that scheme might be holding them back in college.

 

Not all NFLers are created equal, as I posted earlier. You chose not to respond to those posts though, but I'd be curious about your thoughts on that point.

[MrTPlush]

I will go 38-14 Ohio State, hope I am wrong though. I think they will look more hungover after the rough loss vs. hungry.

 

I unfortunately was not wrong...well...barely.

[yourout]

Nice to see the golden domers get there butts kicked.

Even if it is Michigan.

[JosephC]

They wouldn't have beat Ohio State with 2 months of preparation.

 

Agreed. Unless of course they used the 2 months to install an entirely new, less predictable, more dynamic offense.

 

And recruit a whole new group of athletes to go along with it.