Badgers Football 2019

[True Blue Brew Crew]

All I'm saying is that the talent gap is not nearly as big as fans make it out to be. Look at the numbers these OSU QBs and RBs put up every season. Yet where are they in the pros? Ezekiel Elliot, great, well Melvin Gordon and James White aren't exactly slouches. Ohio State's lines dominate the Badgers every year they play, but where's the disparity on the pro level? OSU has both Bosas in the NFL, Wisconsin has both Watts. Wisconsin has arguably 3 of the top 5 offensive lineman in the NFL right now. All these eye popping numbers put up by Buckeye QBs and what have they done in the NFL? The NFL talent coming out of these programs is nowhere indicative of the lopsided scores and results between these two teams.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I mean UW has NEVER had a player as good as Chase Young. OSU has had two Bosas that were almost as good.

 

I remember this kid named JJ Watt that used to dominate. I think he went on to be a pretty good pro.

 

 

He was not as good as Young. Yes, arguably the best defensive player in UW history but still drafted #11. OSU has three guys drafted in top three on d line within five years. They can just replace an elite player with another one. UW cannot do that.

 

But that goes back to my everything has to go right for UW to make playoffs argument. Had Watt stayed in school one more year, he's on that team with Wilson. That might be enough.

 

Agree 100 percent on the talent gap between the schools, but disagree on watt...had he not gotten injured he was on a trajectory to be the dominant defender of his era as a pro. Young will be lucky to have half the nfl career as watt, and watt's could have been better had he not missed most of his prime due to injuries.

 

Young is a fantastic player with a bright future on sundays, but watt was more dominant than him back in college.

[adambr2]

Obviously, the season from here hinges on Iowa. Win that, and you still have a chance to win the West and rally to a nice Bowl game. Lose, and it does feel like you left a lot on the table this year.

 

That's a far cry from our goals from 8 days ago. We went into Illinois thinking even one OSU loss didn't necessarily take us out of CFP contention.

 

It's hard to consider much from here very satisfactory. Don't even control our destiny to even represent the West anymore.

[pacopete4]

Stayed closer longer than I expected but the result is about the same. Badger program is good but just not at that level. It stinks that it is like that because for me, if you really don’t have much chance to win it all, the season doesn’t mean much. It’s just a bunch of random games of guys trying to play pro ball. It’s sort of like being a diehard AAA fan but at least those teams all have the same resources for the most part.

 

I guess I struggle with this, as this carries over from pro sports and doesn't translate well into college. Is every college basketball season a failure if you don't win game 6 of the NCAA tourney? I don't think so.

 

You play to beat your rivals, compete for a conference championship, and to win a bowl game against a marquee opponent, preferably in a prestigious game. The season ISN'T a complete waste of time like it is in the NBA or NFL.

 

I do agree that you play for other things and all of that is great but if you have a league with 130 teams and only 5ish are setup to actually be a champion, it’s very hard for me (and I’m sure other fans) to really engage themselves with that league. It almost comes down to what’s the point? It’s just a bunch of randomness for the most part.

[yourout]

Obviously, the season from here hinges on Iowa. Win that, and you still have a chance to win the West and rally to a nice Bowl game. Lose, and it does feel like you left a lot on the table this year.

 

That's a far cry from our goals from 8 days ago. We went into Illinois thinking even one OSU loss didn't necessarily take us out of CFP contention.

 

It's hard to consider much from here very satisfactory. Don't even control our destiny to even represent the West anymore.

 

No way I want a rematch with OSU in a dome.

 

It would rival the Gary Anderson debacle.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Wow, they are really outscheming us today.

 

Yeah actually they are. You must not have been watching too closely when Baun and Orr were making life hell on Fields the entire first half. The defense can't be perfect all day. Meanwhile the offense thinks running up the gut every first down and having a TE block the likely #1 pick in the NFL draft is a good idea. No but that's not scheme.

[PeaveyFury]

Obviously, the season from here hinges on Iowa. Win that, and you still have a chance to win the West and rally to a nice Bowl game. Lose, and it does feel like you left a lot on the table this year.

 

That's a far cry from our goals from 8 days ago. We went into Illinois thinking even one OSU loss didn't necessarily take us out of CFP contention.

 

Clearly, a second chance at a win vs. OSU would look impossible at this point, regardless of what had happened last week.

 

But yeah. Things have obviously changed dramatically from two weeks ago, even if they’re now more in line with what was expected to begin the year.

[adambr2]

Kansas State is putting the hurt on Oklahoma. That would make me feel better about today if we hadn't lost to Illinois last week.

[PeaveyFury]

The defense can't be perfect all day.

 

Giving up 38 is “not perfect?” They’ve been overmatched on both sides of the ball.

[lcbj68c]

Wow, they are really outscheming us today.

 

No need for Blue. Chryst failed to figure it out and adjust. The offensive scheme got us to the red zone, what? Once?

[adambr2]

Wow, they are really outscheming us today.

 

No need for Blue. Chryst failed to figure it out and adjust. The offensive scheme got us to the red zone, what? Once?

 

I'm at a loss as to how anyone could watch this game and not see that Ohio State has much better players than Wisconsin.

[homer]

The run defense was really bad in the 2nd half. That was not scheme that was bad tackling and OSU's skill guys being really good.

[PinaMadness]

These last two weeks have proven this team was overrated.

[MadThinker88]

Wow, they are really outscheming us today.

 

No need for Blue. Chryst failed to figure it out and adjust. The offensive scheme got us to the red zone, what? Once?

 

Thanks in large part to a punt block...

[AKCheesehead]

I think Iowa’s a tossup. Ought to beat Nebraska and Purdue. Right now I just want the axe back. To me that’s the most important game left including whatever bowl they end up with.

[JosephC]

Every game they play on the road will be a big question mark.

 

I sure hope that loss to Illinois wasn't because the coaching staff jumped ahead to Ohio State. They wouldn't have beat Ohio State with 2 months of preparation.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

It's simply easier to chalk it up to talent than it is to recognize the deficiencies in play-calling and game planning. The Badgers can continue to place an inordinate amount of talent into the NFL relative to their NCAA achievements and fans will continue to say there's not enough talent. Fine, cool. Meanwhile Buckeyes QBs continue to put up Heisman-like numbers and do nothing in the NFL. That's scheme.

[LouisEly]

I don’t see Illinois as having a talent gap to WI. Maybe less depth, but match up starters and I’d bet IL actually has higher rated recruits. Especially along the defensive front IL has actually been recruiting really well.

No talent gap. They beat Purdue 24-6 at Purdue today. They have talent.

[homer]

It's simply easier to chalk it up to talent than it is to recognize the deficiencies in play-calling and game planning. The Badgers can continue to place an inordinate amount of talent into the NFL relative to their NCAA achievements and fans will continue to say there's not enough talent. Fine, cool. Meanwhile Buckeyes QBs continue to put up Heisman-like numbers and do nothing in the NFL. That's scheme.

 

 

This is a list of the colleges most represented on NFL rosters this season. I wouldn't say there is an inordinate amount of talent in the NFL relative to UW performance the last 5 years. In fact, you can look at a bunch of teams on there that haven't performed as well as UW with more guys playing in the league.

 

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2019-09-03/colleges-most-represented-2019-nfl-rosters

[PinaMadness]

Every game they play on the road will be a big question mark.

 

I sure hope that loss to Illinois wasn't because the coaching staff jumped ahead to Ohio State. They wouldn't have beat Ohio State with 2 months of preparation.

Well it's either that or they're just plain overrated. There are no other options.

[MadThinker88]

I think Iowa’s a tossup. Ought to beat Nebraska and Purdue. Right now I just want the axe back. To me that’s the most important game left including whatever bowl they end up with.

 

I stated it earlier in the thread - I want to see 2 UNDEFEATED B10 teams playing for the conference title in Indy.

That way whichever team wins, the committee will have to take a B10 team for the playoff. A 1 loss conference champ can get screwed out of the playoffs too easily...

 

At this point the best chance for that to happen this season is Minnesota & Ohio State.

[LouisEly]

The 2-4-5 that the Badgers run against these up-tempo read-option offenses does not work. Two DL versus 5 OL, and they will get gashed in the run game. Two weeks in a row. Against a read-option offense you have to run a 4-2 or at least a creative 3-3 to have a chance to control the line of scrimmage. They have not controlled the LOS each of the last two weeks. Just like against Minnesota last year, and I fear Minnesota again this year. Leonhard has to do something different.

[adambr2]

It's simply easier to chalk it up to talent than it is to recognize the deficiencies in play-calling and game planning. The Badgers can continue to place an inordinate amount of talent into the NFL relative to their NCAA achievements and fans will continue to say there's not enough talent. Fine, cool. Meanwhile Buckeyes QBs continue to put up Heisman-like numbers and do nothing in the NFL. That's scheme.

 

It's quite clear you're going to die on this hill, but again, there are people who do this for a living who recognize that OSU had SIXTY four and five star recruits from this recruiting class while Wisconsin had nine. These guys know a lot more about this stuff than you and I. It doesn't mean the scheme is perfect or couldn't be better, but scheme does not get you blown out 38-7. Do you think it's just a coincidence that Alabama, Clemson, and OSU consistently have the best results while also having the best recruiting classes, or among the best? You think they all just gameplan that much better and scheme that much better?

 

Yes, JJ Watt is awesome but you can't just cherry pick a few top names from UW programs to compare them side by side with OSU. One, you're missing the sheer volume of talent that has come from OSU, they had 45 active players coming into the 2019 NFL season, nearly double that of UW at 26. And college talent does not always translate perfectly to the professional game.

 

Wisconsin has done well. They're a good program. They're clearly not on the level of a Bama, OSU, etc. in regard to anything, and that includes talent and recruiting.

[LouisEly]

I mean UW has NEVER had a player as good as Chase Young. OSU has had two Bosas that were almost as good.

I think JJ Watt is pretty close. But they certainly don't have anyone like that now.

[PeaveyFury]

It's simply easier to chalk it up to talent than it is to recognize the deficiencies in play-calling and game planning. The Badgers can continue to place an inordinate amount of talent into the NFL relative to their NCAA achievements and fans will continue to say there's not enough talent. Fine, cool. Meanwhile Buckeyes QBs continue to put up Heisman-like numbers and do nothing in the NFL. That's scheme.

 

It's easier because it's true.

 

Yeah, the Badgers put talent into the NFL. How many of those have been top talent? Some, but they are the exception, not the rule. By contrast, here are OSU's last few drafts:

 

2016: 5(!) first rounders, 2 second rounders

2017: 3 first rounders, 2 second rounders

2018: 2 first rounders, 1 second rounder

2019: 2 first rounders, 1 second rounder.

 

The Badgers' numbers for those same four drafts? Two first rounders.

 

Earlier, you countered the Bosas with the Watts, and Gordon and White with Elliott, but those are just three of the 18(!) top picks OSU has put into the draft.