2019-06-25: Mariners (Gonzales) at Brewers (Davies) [Brewers lose, 8-3]

[Bulldogboy]

Man watching Jimmy is sad. Give him credit for fighting back but he is a shell of himself. He shouldn't be in the bigs right now. Selfish of him not to go down even though I get it. Tough situation.

[Oxy]

This has been a less than inspiring performance from JimmyN.

The fact he is going to take up a bullpen spot to likely serve in a mop up duty only role for the foreseeable future isn’t a great situation for either him or the team at this point.

 

BA droning on-and-on about his situation wasn't helping either...then the double play! So, 2 IP, 4BB, 2H, and miraculously 0 Rs for Jimmy tonight.

[adambr2]

It's going to be painful being forced to carry a 4 million dollar mop up man on the 25 for the rest of the season in addition to the existing unoptionable dead weight on the roster because we didn't have the foresight to option him back down while there was still a lot of doubt about his recovery.

[mtrebs]

It's going to be painful being forced to carry a 4 million dollar mop up man on the 25 for the rest of the season in addition to the existing unoptionable dead weight on the roster because we didn't have the foresight to option him back down while there was still a lot of doubt about his recovery.

 

Especially when we could have likely signed Miley for that $4 million.

[wildcat83]

Really smart play by Perez to make it back to first.

[trwi7]

Selfish of him not to go down

 

No it's not and they haven't even asked him too.

[adambr2]

Selfish of him not to go down

 

No it's not and they haven't even asked him too.

 

My guess is that they did and he said no, as Stearns admitted it was "discussed". I don't think they're going to come out and flat out tell us that he refused.

 

But agreed, it's not on Nelson. That's his right. It's on the organization for giving him that right when they could have avoided it easily.

[adambr2]

It won't go very appreciated in a 7-3 game, but that was an unbelievable catch by Gamel.

[trwi7]

Bill makes it sound like that was an obvious catch when it took 5 seconds for the umps to make a call and he didn't know either. God he's dumb.

[Eye Black]

Ben Gamel with two nearly identical diving catches tonight. Really nice effort on both of them.

 

Having a serviceable CF replacement for Cain is sort of an underrated aspect of Gamel’s importance to the team.

[Oxy]

It won't go very appreciated in a 7-3 game, but that was an unbelievable catch by Gamel.

 

More runs saved for the Brewers' pythagorean record!!!

[adambr2]

This is why I laugh when managers/commentators/fans fret over 'losing' your challenge in the late innings if you challenge a close play and lose. They'll literally let you look at whatever you want if you ask them regardless of your challenge situation.

[willie key]

Selfish of him not to go down

 

No it's not and they haven't even asked him too.

 

 

Yeah they did

[adambr2]

"The beauty of baseball is there is another game to play the next day."

 

I feel like Bill and BA say this a lot lately.

[Oxy]

Selfish of him not to go down

 

No it's not and they haven't even asked him too.

 

 

Yeah they did

 

If the pay is the same, then it really is pretty selfish of Nelson...If the pay isn't the same then it is actually just as selfish but much more understandably selfish in the Good old American kind of way...

[Eye Black]

This is why I laugh when managers/commentators/fans fret over 'losing' your challenge in the late innings if you challenge a close play and lose. They'll literally let you look at whatever you want if you ask them regardless of your challenge situation.

Yeah, I am to the point of why even go through the whole charade of the “manager’s challenge.” Just have a system that looks at every close play and only changes the outcomes with truly indisputable evidence (which doesn’t always seem to be the case now). [sarcasm]The games are already 4 hours anyway, what’s another half hour tacked on at this point?[/sarcasm]

[trwi7]

If the pay is the same, then it really is pretty selfish of Nelson...If the pay isn't the same then it is actually just as selfish but much more understandably selfish in the Good old American kind of way...

 

Why would any player choose to ride the bus in the minors instead of all the amenities they get as major leaguers? It's easy for everyone to say that but what would you do if they were asking you to go down and ride a bus and share a hotel room and have to find an apartment and move a lot of your stuff down there? I'm guessing you probably wouldn't want to do that either and I don't blame any player who's earned the right to decline a minor league assignment doing so.

[adambr2]

The pay is the same. There are still many perks associated with being on an MLB team that he loses.

 

Regardless, it is not selfish, and I wish people would understand that. It is 100% his right under the collective bargaining agreement. It is pretty much standard practice for players not to just willingly give up their collectively bargained rights to benefit the franchise with no compensation.

 

If you've ever worked for a company with a union, you should know that the decisions you make regarding your works rights don't just affect you, they affect all your fellow members, and decisions are generally made with that in mind. When you give up that right not to be optioned you're setting a precedent for the next guy who comes around in that situation. It is about more than just Jimmy Nelson, it is about not setting precedent for future 5+ service year players.

[Bulldogboy]

Selfish of him not to go down

 

No it's not and they haven't even asked him too.

 

 

Yeah they did

Umm yeah they did. He said no.

[Bulldogboy]

Selfish of him not to go down

 

No it's not and they haven't even asked him too.

 

My guess is that they did and he said no, as Stearns admitted it was "discussed". I don't think they're going to come out and flat out tell us that he refused.

 

But agreed, it's not on Nelson. That's his right. It's on the organization for giving him that right when they could have avoided it easily.

It's true that it's his right but the team has stuck by him and allowed him to work his way back. If he isn't quite ready which is totally understandable why expect them to put you out there to lose major league games? That's not right.

[adambr2]

Because they didn't option him by June 11th. They could have done that and if they had Nelson would have had no say. It's not Nelson's job to protect the team from bad results at all costs, it's his job to go out there and pitch to the best of his abilities, which he is doing. Why should he bail them out because they made a poor business decision not to option him by June 11th?

[willie key]

If the pay is the same, then it really is pretty selfish of Nelson...If the pay isn't the same then it is actually just as selfish but much more understandably selfish in the Good old American kind of way...

 

Why would any player choose to ride the bus in the minors instead of all the amenities they get as major leaguers? It's easy for everyone to say that but what would you do if they were asking you to go down and ride a bus and share a hotel room and have to find an apartment and move a lot of your stuff down there? I'm guessing you probably wouldn't want to do that either and I don't blame any player who's earned the right to decline a minor league assignment doing so.

 

 

Then it’s all about you and not the team. Because the dude doesn’t belong here. Yet

 

I don’t know if the rest of the roster feels great about playing glorified simulated games because jimmy Nelson doesn’t want to ride a bus

 

I wonder if the rest of the locker room thinks of 2019 as a throw away year to let jimmy Nelson and Travis Shaw just have workouts in actual games

[willie key]

Because they didn't option him by June 11th. They could have done that and if they had Nelson would have had no say. It's not Nelson's job to protect the team from bad results at all costs, it's his job to go out there and pitch to the best of his abilities, which he is doing. Why should he bail them out because they made a poor business decision not to option him by June 11th?

 

Yep. The brewers organization bent over for this guy

 

I don’t think anyone should feel sorry for jimmy Nelson. The brewers organization sure as hell didn’t do him wrong

[trwi7]

Then it’s all about you and not the team. Because the dude doesn’t belong here. Yet

 

Yeah, it is all about him because he earned the right to choose. And he has every right to choose what's best for him and what's best for him is being in the majors and nobody should blame him one bit for that.

[adambr2]

If the pay is the same, then it really is pretty selfish of Nelson...If the pay isn't the same then it is actually just as selfish but much more understandably selfish in the Good old American kind of way...

 

Why would any player choose to ride the bus in the minors instead of all the amenities they get as major leaguers? It's easy for everyone to say that but what would you do if they were asking you to go down and ride a bus and share a hotel room and have to find an apartment and move a lot of your stuff down there? I'm guessing you probably wouldn't want to do that either and I don't blame any player who's earned the right to decline a minor league assignment doing so.

 

 

Then it’s all about you and not the team. Because the dude doesn’t belong here. Yet

 

And once again, the team had up until June 11th to option Nelson without the need for his consent and they willingly chose not to.