Sell Mode: Now Buy Mode, We Got Lyles, Pomeranz, Black, and Faria!!

[HiAndTight]

I still wouldn’t buy too hard. This team is very capable but the holes are large enough that a big splash may not cover them. I’d do a couple of minor moves to see if some guys with new scenery and a playoff hunt can over perform for the last few months. If the prices dropped or a team was going to send a huge part of their salary for like a Greinke deal, then it might make some sense for a splash.

 

Hey! We actually agree on something. You can only do what you can do with what you have to give, but...I do believe prices will be coming down on some of these guys as the day gets closer. That being Said, I would certainly hope that DS has gauged what kind of value guys like Arcia, Aguilar, Burnes, Nelson have. He is going to have to get creative. Now granted, individually none of them have a lot of value, but if you put them into a package of some sort, I would think there's teams that would be interested in some of these guys. At this point, as I mentioned before, if all DS did was got this team a new SS, I'd be ecstatic..I'm beyond done with Arcia.

 

 

Nelson? I kinda doubt Stearns has to call teams to ask what they think of the guy that was throwing the ball well in 2017, had that catastrophic shoulder injury, now has an elbow injury and looked terrible when he did pitch. It sucks, loved Nelson, but that's just how it's been.

 

He's the guy that teams sign in the off-season as a non-roster invitee to see if maybe he can do something, but they don't actually have to invest anything into him.

[stalton]

This thread remains me of the Gomez trade thread where the title kept evolving as well

[JohnBriggs12]

I think they can cover Grandal better than Moose. I still don't trust Shaw's anywhere close to his 17 and 18 form. Meanwhile Pina has really picked it up (8 for his last 23 with 3 HR), and Frietas has been hitting consistently over .350 all year in AAA.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Where are the potential landing spots for Grandal where the Brewers could get the most bang for the buck? I've seen Dodgers, but what about the Yankees, Astros, As? I don't think the Brewers would want to deal Grandal within the NL and actually have him help another postseason contender. At this point it's silly to think the Brewers plan on "selling" with no intent on trying to reach the postseason this year. They are 1 GB in the standings of the division lead with their competitors facing each other to start this week.

 

Back to the possibility of dealing Grandal or even Moose - I think the only way it would happen is if they can get either a MLB starter that has some remaining team control beyond 2019 in return to help shore up the rotation, or if they can get a quality prospect for him. I actually would prefer they dangle Moose for this same purpose, but I think there may be even fewer ideal landing spots for a 3B rental at this point. Another option is to fully explore trading Aguilar for pitching help, then using Grandal as a 1B platoon option when facing LHP.

[Eye Black]

Where are the potential landing spots for Grandal where the Brewers could get the most bang for the buck? I've seen Dodgers, but what about the Yankees, Astros, As? I don't think the Brewers would want to deal Grandal within the NL and actually have him help another postseason contender. At this point it's silly to think the Brewers plan on "selling" with no intent on trying to reach the postseason this year. They are 1 GB in the standings of the division lead with their competitors facing each other to start this week.

 

Back to the possibility of dealing Grandal or even Moose - I think the only way it would happen is if they can get either a MLB starter that has some remaining team control beyond 2019 in return to help shore up the rotation, or if they can get a quality prospect for him. I actually would prefer they dangle Moose for this same purpose, but I think there may be even fewer ideal landing spots for a 3B rental at this point. Another option is to fully explore trading Aguilar for pitching help, then using Grandal as a 1B platoon option when facing LHP.

The Rays make sense from the standpoint they could really use Grandal, they were rumored to be considering signing him in the off-season, they have a lot of quality arms in the system including in the upper minors, and they are the team facing the biggest roster crunch this upcoming off-season from a Rule 5 draft standpoint. I wouldn’t even be shocked if the Rays dealt a pitcher from their current active roster in order to get a Grandal deal done.

[Lathund]

In a vacuum, Dodgers would make the most sense for Grandal, but if they really liked him he'd still be a Dodger. Astros would be the most likely destination for me. Good enough team to warrant buying, would be a fairly big improvement and one that actually impacts their WS chances, and they have the kind of farm system that could ensure a package that's attractive to the Brewers without really impacting the Astros future.

 

Nationals is a possibility too, not gotten much from their catching due. But they're both well-paid veterans with no options remaining, so that indirectly adds several million to the cost of acquiring Grandal. Rays is a possibility, but d'Arnaud was recently acquired and has done well and Zunino is a good defender, I think they have bigger needs. Certainly have the prospects to make it happen.

[Mudville9]

I get the idea of dealing Moose and Grandal, but I doubt he goes to a team like the Nationals who are ahead of us in the WC race. That would be a bad look at this point after winning 2 of 3 from the Cubs. The Rays or another AL team would be nice though if we could get someone to retool for next year. I agree that we have too many holes in the dam and not enough fingers to plug them at this point.

[Brewcrewin07]

No way they are selling Moose or Grandal for anything other than immediate pitching help. That's the priority.

[pacopete4]

Dodger put the tag on Grandal but didn’t want to go long term. As it looks, they of course have a young catcher ready to take the league by storm in Will Smith. Man, the Dodgers are good at developing players.

[Roderick]

I think they can cover Grandal better than Moose. I still don't trust Shaw's anywhere close to his 17 and 18 form. Meanwhile Pina has really picked it up (8 for his last 23 with 3 HR), and Frietas has been hitting consistently over .350 all year in AAA.

 

Agreed. If I am reading BRref correctly, in his small sample size, Pina has a 3.73 ERA and Grandal has a 4.97. If that actually held up, you would more than make up the lost offense with better pitching.

[pacopete4]

With the acquisition of Lyles we can finally put this thread to rest. It’s buying season boys!

[tmwiese55]

Still baffling how Pina was benched for Kratz last season with our best guess on justification being defense and pitch calling. And really no one ever asking why

[pacopete4]

Still baffling how Pina was benched for Kratz last season with our best guess on justification being defense and pitch calling. And really no one ever asking why

 

Was this meant for this thread? Seems odd.

[tmwiese55]

It was in reference to like two posts earlier discussing Pina's D being better than Grandal. And then just a year ago Pina was benched for D, supposedly, we never got an answer to what was going on.

[pacopete4]

It was in reference to like two posts earlier discussing Pina's D being better than Grandal. And then just a year ago Pina was benched for D, supposedly, we never got an answer to what was going on.

 

Kratz was going a good job handling certain pitchers. They found a hot streak with Pina catching certain guys and Kratz catching the rest. I think they explained that enough. Pina wears down if he’s the main guy. He’s better suited to split the load.

[tmwiese55]

but all talk of Pina previously was how good he was at all that. Then all of a sudden he's not good enough, need Kratzy in there hitting .100. Come this year, and the talk again is how Pina is good at it all. Then Pina is top 3 in gold glove last year. That was the point, that it didn't make sense to be using a known strength of Pina as the reason he was benched. Yes of course he couldn't do every day, but he should've been the big side of the split, not the small side. And no, the media ever really dug into it and put them on the spot as to why while the offense continued to struggle we continued to play a guy who couldn't hit. I actually had a wonder if that ball Pina took to the face had some lingering concussion issues or something so they wanted to limit him. Who knows, it's over now. They still got to game 7 of the NLCS.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

It was in reference to like two posts earlier discussing Pina's D being better than Grandal. And then just a year ago Pina was benched for D, supposedly, we never got an answer to what was going on.

 

Kratz was going a good job handling certain pitchers. They found a hot streak with Pina catching certain guys and Kratz catching the rest. I think they explained that enough. Pina wears down if he’s the main guy. He’s better suited to split the load.

 

This exactly. Was the playing time that Kratz got last year warranted? Probably not. But he had a few clutch hits in August, and his increased playing time coincided with the team getting red hot, so I think his inclusion in the lineup every day was more a case of not wanting to upset the apple cart. Pina is younger, a better hitter and a better defender. Kratz just had timing on his side. Don't underestimate how crazy baseball managers are about routine and riding the hot hand.

[Eye Black]

In terms of “selling” on a smaller scale, if the Brewers have no plans to add David Freitas to the major league squad this year I wonder if they could get a roll of the dice type prospect or two in exchange for him from a team such as the Athletics. Maybe they value him too much as an insurance policy?

[HarveysWBs]

Hader and Peralta can’t be trusted. Time for a hard sell and regroup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

*half blue*

[tmwiese55]

In terms of “selling” on a smaller scale, if the Brewers have no plans to add David Freitas to the major league squad this year I wonder if they could get a roll of the dice type prospect or two in exchange for him from a team such as the Athletics. Maybe they value him too much as an insurance policy?

 

With Grandal likely gone this year I think you'd need him next year. Correct me if I'm wrong of course if somehow they would be losing him in the offseason due to some rules. But, next year you'd be going in with Pina, him, Nottingham as your 3 catchers in the rotation