2019-06-21: Reds (Gray) at Brewers (Anderson) [Brewers lose, 11-7 -- 5th loss in a row, but Yelich and Moustakas each hit more dingers]

[stoutdude04]

In the moment, I was thinking Grandal should take 3-1 no matter what...then I remembered Aguilar was due up next. I'm good with taking a hack there. But agreed...should have been a 4 pitch walk. Amazing what a difference one bad call can make...

 

Just like the missed strike 3 on Winker. These guys affect the outcome all the time, because they are terrible at it. Oh well. The Brewers havent pitched well enough to win today anyways.

[KeithStone53151]

In the moment, I was thinking Grandal should take 3-1 no matter what...then I remembered Aguilar was due up next. I'm good with taking a hack there. But agreed...should have been a 4 pitch walk. Amazing what a difference one bad call can make...

 

Just like the missed strike 3 on Winker. These guys affect the outcome all the time, because they are terrible at it. Oh well. The Brewers havent pitched well enough to win today anyways.

 

Amazing how 2 ball/strike calls being correct is the difference in this game.

[Eye Black]

Are we nearing an overhaul where Chase, Nelson, Perez, Aguilar, Shaw, Pina, and Claudio get demoted or let go?

 

Chase: No. Maybe to the pen

 

Nelson: I've beaten this to death but they really screwed up not optioning him earlier and now they can't. They are in a tough spot with him but he's not getting let go. Maybe to the pen

 

Perez: No. Not a very good player but versatility and all that. All paid for for 2019 anyway.

 

Aguilar: Maybe

 

Shaw: Should be in AAA like 10 years ago

 

Pina: No

 

Claudio: Could be optioned but any other option to bring up has sucked equally.

One of the roster construction hallmarks the Brewers were accused of practicing during the Doug Melvin era was a “Stars and Scrubs” approach (2013 Brewers Stars and Scrubs Article Link). I didn’t always think it was fair, but it was also tough to argue at times.

 

I don’t think it would be an accurate assessment of the current roster building approach, but based on the fact so many players have really dropped off while a small handful have shined brightly this roster has very much taken on the look of a Stars and Scrubs club.

[brewcrewdue80]

So another missed run for Milw and I have at least 2 accountable for Cincy only checking two of the innings they scored. It'd be 9-8 bases loaded for Aguilar at minimum

[KeithStone53151]

Yelich will be due up 5th this inning. If we can get him an atbat, he may have a chance to tie the game.

[BuckyBrewer61]

The problem as I see it is allocation of resources. The Brewers need better payroll balance between the pitching staff and the hitting side. I don't know where the Brewers rank but they have to have a very low percentage of it's payroll on the pitching side of things. This would be interesting to see. You get what you pay for and the Brewers don't seem to be spending a ton of the 118 million on the pitching side of things.

 

It’s not as simple as you get what you pay for. Josh Hader is barely making $1M over the past two seasons. Total.

 

The Brewers, and many others here, felt they had a number of young, cheap pitchers that they expected would be key contributors, so felt their money was better spent elsewhere. And that money was quite well spent, on 2 of the best 4 players on this team (Moose/Grandal). But the pitchers simply haven’t produced anywhere near expectations.

[pacopete4]

Sometimes I really wonder what we are even arguing.

[treego14]

Sometimes I really wonder what we are even arguing.

Yeah, it's close to bedtime!

[adambr2]

Sometimes I really wonder what we are even arguing.

 

But you also have probably been drunk since the 4th and grabbed 2 more just before they cut off sales in the 7th!

[Oxy]

For all of the Johnson envy going on tonight, his coaching has really come up short in the last 3 innings.

[Eye Black]

For all of the Johnson envy going on tonight, his coaching has really come up short in the last 3 innings.

[sarcasm]I think he just felt sorry for his ol’ ball club.[/sarcasm]

[adambr2]

For all of the Johnson envy going on tonight, his coaching has really come up short in the last 3 innings.

 

I knew someone would go there.

 

No one was touting DJ based on a 1 game sample size.

[The stache]

I say we convince Dave Duncan to come out of retirement and take over as our pitching coach. One can dream.

How about Jeff Suppan

or Ben Sheets

or Dave Bush

or Graeme Lloyd

or Pete Ladd

or Rollie Fingers

or Chris Bosio

or Jerry Augustine

or Craig Coshun?

 

As I've previously mentioned, one of my best friends, Brett, knows Rollie. He coached his 12 year old daughter's softball team year before last. Maybe I should call him, and ask to see if Rollie would be interested in the job.

 

Then again, I doubt Rollie would be happy working with a less talented staff.

[The stache]

Yellich is OPSing 1.201 with a .349 AVG, 29 home runs, 62 RBI and has swiped 17 bases in 18 tries.

 

In not even a half season. My God.

[treego14]

I say we convince Dave Duncan to come out of retirement and take over as our pitching coach. One can dream.

How about Jeff Suppan

or Ben Sheets

or Dave Bush

or Graeme Lloyd

or Pete Ladd

or Rollie Fingers

or Chris Bosio

or Jerry Augustine

or Craig Coshun?

 

As I've previously mentioned, one of my best friends, Brett, knows Rollie. He coached his 12 year old daughter's softball team year before last. Maybe I should call him, and ask to see if Rollie would be interested in the job.

 

Then again, I doubt Rollie would be happy working with a less talented staff.

I would call Brett tomorrow! Maybe Rollie could be the bullpen coach if CC is hooked on Hook, yet. I would like to see all the Brewers pitchers adopt the handlebar mustache in the meantime. It could be the kind of group therapy thing that would get them all going!

[adambr2]

[82brewcrew82]

For all of the Johnson envy going on tonight, his coaching has really come up short in the last 3 innings.

 

I knew someone would go there.

 

No one was touting DJ based on a 1 game sample size.

But less than half a season is appropriate?

[adambr2]

For all of the Johnson envy going on tonight, his coaching has really come up short in the last 3 innings.

 

I knew someone would go there.

 

No one was touting DJ based on a 1 game sample size.

But less than half a season is appropriate?

 

What about his 2 seasons with the Brewers?

[Pugger]

I hope we get a nice 12 run lead so we can plunk Dietrich with confidence.

 

It almost seems like those guys are coached to throw their elbows out and get plunked...

[Pugger]

I mean just put Perez in for Shaw already. It doesn’t take a hitting expert to see how poorly his hand-eye coordination is on his swings right now.

 

Edit: Thank you.

 

Right about now I'm not all that crazy about watching Perez at the plate either...

[Pugger]

 

Fall guys happen when an entire unit isn't getting the job done. You think Dom Capers was 100% of the reason the Packer' defense couldn't stop anyone for years? Just the way professional sports is. You can't go out and replace an entire pitching corps.

 

True, but I'll take one decent starter instead right about now.

[Pugger]

Ok so your thought is that the players were simply not that good to begin with? As Cincinnati has gone on to become one of the best staffs in baseball since Johnson’s arrival. Or as Aguilar and Shaw have become lesser hitters than Woodruff. There’s only one difference.

 

No, this is exactly the same team from last year with all of the same flaws just without a good bullpen to mask the starting pitching problem.

 

The Brewers offense is about as good as it was last year maybe a bit better with the addition of Grandal. Losing Coles has had no impact on the Brewers offense. Though some on here had the opinion of losing Cole and replacing him with anyone would improve the Brewers offense. Reality is that Aguilar, Shaw and others are the same players as they were last year no difference.

 

This offense might be the same save Grandal but Shaw and Aguilar both are lost at the plate and show no signs of breaking out any time soon.

[Pugger]

Maybe it's the fan in me but I still have this feeling the Brewers have a 15-5 stretch in them at some point this season. I just see to much talent and an inability to hit their stride. Sometimes that occurs for an entire season. But I still have hope they can get this thing going.

 

We did have a really bad stretch like this last year before the All Star Break. It just feels like we'll never win another game with the way things are going right now.

[Pugger]

Sports is supposed to be fair. They don't raise the hoop for certain teams. They don't make the bases farther apart for certain teams. They don't make some teams have to get 20 yards each time for a first down. The strike zone is the same size for each team.

 

But when it comes to the ability to acquire "stars" or retain "stars," all of a sudden the MLB plays by different rules for certain teams.

 

Not cool! Not fair! That's not the ethics of true sports and competition!

 

I agree with everything you said except the strike zone. Every ump has his own 'strike zone' and not every ball park's dimensions outside of the diamond are the same.

[Pugger]

Sports is supposed to be fair. They don't raise the hoop for certain teams. They don't make the bases farther apart for certain teams. They don't make some teams have to get 20 yards each time for a first down. The strike zone is the same size for each team.

 

But when it comes to the ability to acquire "stars" or retain "stars," all of a sudden the MLB plays by different rules for certain teams.

 

Not cool! Not fair! That's not the ethics of true sports and competition!

 

In a sport where the field is literally a different size in every stadium I'm not sure this is strongest argument.

 

Oh, good grief! Both teams in a game play on that same field! You will have to do better than that!

 

Wrigley Field and Petco Park are the same?