2019-06-20: Reds (Roark) at Brewers (Nelson) [Brewers lose, 7-1 -- Yelich hitting 28th HR is lone bright spot]

[treego14]

With the exception of the fan-base, I feel sorriest for Craig Counsell who is forced to trot out these massively under-performing players night after night.

 

And, then he is forced to talk to the media every day, and make excuses for them.

[Brewcrewin07]

If the Cubs win tonight(and they were up last time I looked), they will be a game and half up...and you just kind of get the feeling they will start to separate a bit.

[HiAndTight]

Nelson had a shoulder injury nobody had ever came back from. Instead of. Non-tendering Nelson and trying to resign him for less they’ve paid him nearly 8 million dollars while he missed nearly a season and a half, now apparently diminished skills they have to try to eek out something for their 8 million bucks. A clear error in judgment by the GM

 

 

What are you talking about? Is this a serious post? So you think it would have been wise at the time for the Brewers to just let Nelson go? You don't think that maybe 15-20 other teams would have lined up to pay him to see if he could come back?

 

And what injury did he have that NOBODY has ever come back from? Because plenty have actually come back from a torn Labrum. It's tough and many haven't, but saying nobody has ever done it is NOT true.

 

 

Man, there is some ridiculous stuff on here. Sure, it'd be really easy to decide what to pay guys after the season and after you see how their rehab goes. But there was no way the Brewers were going to pinch pennies and not bring a guy like Nelson back. That would have been monumentally stupid and it's only being floated now with the benefit of hindsight.

[treego14]

If the Cubs win tonight(and they were up last time I looked), they will be a game and half up...and you just kind of get the feeling they will start to separate a bit.

Of course they will ... as long as we stand pat with our season-long-under-performers.

[Bulldogboy]

It is a shame that this team has prioritized personal relationships over winning. There is no way to justify keeping Shaw in the bigs. You are doing him and the fanbase a disservice. The guy doesn't want to suck so why keep running him out there to be horrible? I don't get it at all.

 

 

Please tell me more about how poorly run this organization is?

 

And what's this "prioritize personal relationships" nonsense? They simply didn't want to give up on a guy who's been one of the most productive 3rd basemen in the game the last couple years after a bad couple months.

 

There's isn't much to get other than he's been really-really good, now he's struggling and they're hoping he bounces back. They've got Hirura ready to go whenever they want to bring him back.

 

 

Someone help me out, does Shaw still have an option remaining? If so, that's the solution. If not, then..opps, that wrist is bothering him again(and it may actually be, you seldom seem hitters drop off this much).

He has an option and they should have used it weeks ago. Period.

[HiAndTight]

Nelson doesn’t belong here yet

 

 

I don't think Nelson is ever going to be more than a middle/back of the rotation arm again. You can just see it in how the balls move for him now. I don't think this is something that's going to get better with time. He may well learn to pitch better and adjust, but his stuff is not coming back.

 

You see it in the FB by far the most. His fastball had late life..and the fact that he could hit 97 didn't hurt.

 

Not saying his career's done by any means, he's competitive enough that he'll figure out a way to be effective with the stuff he has now. But I was really hoping we'd see a version of the older Nelson and that with time he'd get most of the way back. I don't think there's much hope of that now.

 

Of all the injurys you dont want a pitcher to get its a labrum.

Many never come back from that. I would much rather see a Tommy John.

 

It's actually almost a positive when a young pitcher, a college arm for instance has already had a TJ and is back pitching. Not literally, but you know most will get it at some point and most are now coming back with more velocity and the success rate is extremely high.

 

You have no idea what's going to happen with a pitcher and a shoulder injury. You could get a guy like Clemens who comes back or you could get a Bedard. It's hit or miss. Probably more miss. I had hoped because of Jimmy's background and work ethic he'd overcome those odds.

 

And he has come back. I just am not sure why his fastball looks so different. I guess they "cleaned up" his delivery. That was pretty much code for, "the Brewers ruined another young guy" in the early 2000s. He got healthy enough to come back and start at the big league level. If he changed his delivery, change it back. You could tell from the very first start he wasn't the same guy.

 

There were reports that because of his fastball movement now, his off-speed stuff wasn't working as well. I guess now I know what they meant by that.

[folly412]

Oh look, the part of my nightly routine where Yelich hits a home run.

[treego14]

Oh look, the part of my nightly routine where Yelich hits a home run.

[PinaMadness]

I bet we would get quite a haul for Yelich.

[HiAndTight]

It is a shame that this team has prioritized personal relationships over winning. There is no way to justify keeping Shaw in the bigs. You are doing him and the fanbase a disservice. The guy doesn't want to suck so why keep running him out there to be horrible? I don't get it at all.

 

 

Please tell me more about how poorly run this organization is?

 

And what's this "prioritize personal relationships" nonsense? They simply didn't want to give up on a guy who's been one of the most productive 3rd basemen in the game the last couple years after a bad couple months.

 

There's isn't much to get other than he's been really-really good, now he's struggling and they're hoping he bounces back. They've got Hirura ready to go whenever they want to bring him back.

 

 

Someone help me out, does Shaw still have an option remaining? If so, that's the solution. If not, then..opps, that wrist is bothering him again(and it may actually be, you seldom seem hitters drop off this much).

He has an option and they should have used it weeks ago. Period.

 

 

Well...when someone finishes a sentence actually writing out the word period instead of just using one, then that means they're automatically right!

 

Just to be clear, he was in the minors weeks ago. He'll likely be optioned back down. But the Brewers were always going to send Hiura back down for a while. They weren't keeping him up with the service time considerations. We're proabably just about clear now that he can come back up and I'm sure he will in a few days. PERIOD.

[Bulldogboy]

You wonder what Yelich thinks when watching the Arcia of the world hit. He has to from time to time think dude you just have to watch the ball and hit it.

[Jopal78]

Of course I’m serious. Nelson didn’t simply tear his labrum; he tore everything in his shoulder around the joint, front and back. You don’t have to take my word for it, it was reported in substantial detail that he was in uncharted area with his injury.

 

Pitchers get dropped all the time after suffering a major injury. Drew Smyly and Mike Minor come to mind as a couple examples.

 

All I’m saying is for a ‘small market club’ to sink significant bucks into an injured pitcher with no idea on how he’ll perform post injury was a dumb risk. Maybe Nelson makes me eat crow, then again maybe I’m right

[HiAndTight]

If the Cubs win tonight(and they were up last time I looked), they will be a game and half up...and you just kind of get the feeling they will start to separate a bit.

Of course they will ... as long as we stand pat with our season-long-under-performers.

 

 

Yup, season's over! One day after falling out of first place by half a game...despite having two of our middle of the order bats struggle badly and having an incredibly tough schedule to start the season, the Brewers are clearly done for.

 

And we all know Stearns is scared to make a move. He won't do anything. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's trying to lose.

[adambr2]

The team needs a shakeup in the roster very quickly.

 

This aloof false confidence is not gonna' cut it.

 

Shaw ... you're outta' here.

Aguilar ... take a seat for awhile.

Arcia ... take a seat for awhile.

Nelson ... try to get ready at AAA.

 

Braun/Grandal/Thames at 1B only. Aguilar only pinch-hits.

Saladino at SS for a week while Arcia pinch-hits occasionally.

Hiura at 2B. No brainer. (Moose back at 3rd)

Houser/Peralta take Nelson's spot in the rotation.

 

Let's do this yesterday!!!

 

Let's be proactive ... not very slowly reactive. Small market teams gotta' be smarter! Come on, Stearns!

 

You don't just dump a guy who's produced ~8.5 WAR for you the past two years.

 

Arcia has to stay. He's hit the ball real hard right at people during this little slump, but his defense is too good. Aguilar got here in a pinch hitting role, so fine, he can move to the bench. Send Shaw back down and give him a few weeks/month. But he's been too productive to just get rid of.

 

You are a lot higher on Arcia than me.

 

I just don't think he's that good. We're in his 4th season now and it just seems like he is what he is. His defense is good, but overrated to an extent, IMO.

 

I don't think he absolutely needs to be replaced but if they were to send him down and give his starts to Dubon or Saladino for awhile I wouldn't have any issue with it.

[willie key]

We are wasting a legendary year from yelich

[Eye Black]

Thus far 19 of Yelich’s 28 home runs have been solo shots. It would be nice to have Yelich hit more often with runners on base this year, anecdotally that doesn’t seem to be happening as often as it should.

[HiAndTight]

Of course I’m serious. Nelson didn’t simply tear his labrum; he tore everything in his shoulder around the joint, front and back. You don’t have to take my word for it, it was reported in substantial detail that he was in uncharted area with his injury.

 

Pitchers get dropped all the time after suffering a major injury. Drew Smyly and Mike Minor come to mind as a couple examples.

 

All I’m saying is for a ‘small market club’ to sink significant bucks into an injured pitcher with no idea on how he’ll perform post injury was a dumb risk. Maybe Nelson makes me eat crow, then again maybe I’m right

 

 

That makes it all the worse. To suggest that the Brewers should have just dumped their young ace.

 

And I'm certainly not taking your word for it. Pitchers have absolutely come back from injuries similar to Nelson's.

[treego14]

If the Cubs win tonight(and they were up last time I looked), they will be a game and half up...and you just kind of get the feeling they will start to separate a bit.

Of course they will ... as long as we stand pat with our season-long-under-performers.

 

 

Yup, season's over! One day after falling out of first place by half a game...despite having two of our middle of the order bats struggle badly and having an incredibly tough schedule to start the season, the Brewers are clearly done for.

 

And we all know Stearns is scared to make a move. He won't do anything. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's trying to lose.

Oh my ... I wish you would read my posts more carefully ...

[adambr2]

Thus far 19 of Yelich’s 28 home runs have been solo shots. It would be nice to have Yelich hit more often with runners on base this year, anecdotally that doesn’t seem to be happening as often as it should.

 

Unfortunately no real surprise there as he bats after a pitcher and a guy with a .308 OBP.

[adambr2]

I'm a big fan of David Stearns, but between Nelson, Shaw, and Hiura, June 2019 has not been his finest month.

[willie key]

I’m really starting to hate this team

[treego14]

Shaw got a hit ... that will buy him another week, maybe.

[HiAndTight]

 

You are a lot higher on Arcia than me.

 

I just don't think he's that good. We're in his 4th season now and it just seems like he is what he is. His defense is good, but overrated to an extent, IMO.

 

I don't think he absolutely needs to be replaced but if they were to send him down and give his starts to Dubon or Saladino for awhile I wouldn't have any issue with it.

 

 

I don't think he's special, but I do think his current struggles are being exaggerated. He's hammered some balls to straightaway center that have been right at guys. He's already a streaky hitter, then you add in some bad luck and sure, he'll look bad. I don't think his defense is overrated, but I think that's more a matter of opinion now because I just don't trust most defensive metrics on IF'ers anymore with the shifting.

 

If you want to bring up Dubon, he's hot, that'd be fine. Saladino you know what you have and it's not much. But two main things. 1-I am realizing why I don't post in IGT's, the reactionary stuff is absurd(not referring to you, just the whole, "we're down 3-0, the sky is falling" stuff and then my reason for not wanting to send him down, I don't think he's really earned a demotion at this point. He's had a really bad June, but he's also had a .163 BABIP and it's not like he's striking out 40 pct of the time.

 

 

I'm on board with sending Shaw down. I don't know that sending Arcia down accomplishes anything. He's a glove first defensive SS with a .680 OPS after a really bad month. And with that, I'm gonna just leave the IGT. It's too reactionary/sky is falling as I said. I get as annoyed with all the bashing of the Brewers organization and what Stearns should have done type hindsight as I do with the Brewers struggling.

[Bulldogboy]

I'm a big fan of David Stearns, but between Nelson, Shaw, and Hiura, June 2019 has not been his finest month.

What do you mean? You think playing players who are not the best players to help you win is a problem? Hmm.

[PinaMadness]

I'd like to know what the average length of start is for our starters in June, or for the year for that matter.