Bucks off-season thread (non-draft)

[OnTheBlack]

I usually discount trade proposals that involve guys teams just signed as Free Agents a few weeks ago

 

Well, the Chris Paul discussion is purely hypothetical. I don't think there's any chance it'll happen, but if there is a sport where those type of deals happen, it's the NBA.

[OnTheBlack]

I don't think the Bucks will do anything crazy like trade for Paul. The East is wide open for them. I see Boston, Indiana and Philly as being the best clubs - after us. But I don't think any are better. Oladipo is coming off a major injury. Boston has lots of good young talent and added Walker - but they lost a ton of stuff too. Philly has some really good players - but they lack depth and will need to gel.

 

The Bucks won using a well rounded team and depth. They had guys who worked the system. They'll continue that path going forward.

 

Giannis, Middleton, Bledsoe, Lopez Bros., Matthews, Hill, Wilson, Illysova, Connaughton - that's solid 10 guys. Add in Brown and DiVincenzo - and its a deep team. I imagine we will add another veteran as well (a shooter like Korver may work well).

 

I'd like to see some of the younger guys step up and get better.

 

This will be a club that won't get overworked in the regular season, which is important as we have seen that Giannis and others do need occasional rests. With a lot of veterans, guys shouldn't get worn down.

 

I also think this year's playoff run will help the team. The experience will - hopefully - make them a better team.

 

You can debate whether letting Brogdon go was a smart move - but it has happened - so there's no use dwelling on it too much.

 

In the end, the core of the team is going to be together for at least a few years - and we should be good during that time. With Durant out for this season, that makes this year even more of an opportunity.

 

 

I don't do absolutes, but this is as close to an absolute as you can get. Like I said, a trade that would get us Paul and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander was a fantastical video game type trade. It would be a really gutsy move, but I only meant to use is as something to debate. It's not realistic.

 

The Bucks won using a well rounded team and depth. They had guys who worked the system. They'll continue that path going forward.

 

The only issue I'd take with this is that they didn't win and the only reason they'll use that "path" going forward is because...sadly, and I hate saying this, but CHL was right, they went cheap. They let Brogdon walk. That's fine. Maybe they did determine he was an injury risk and at least they got something for him. But for them to NOT ensure they got a 12-15 million TPE out of it is just them...being cheap. There's really no tactful way to put that. That's a loophole to help you replace a player giving you the OPTION to just take on salary without having to give anything up, something that many teams headed for the lottery or a low seed in the playoffs are happy to use to dump a good player. Sorry, not sure how else to put it. That could have been an avenue to add a REALLY good and really impactful player in case all the guys who try to fill in for Brogdon can't or simply aren't good enough to get the job done in a potential finals matchup. At least that option was there. Now because if reports are true, they wouldn't clear another 700K, something they could have easily done?

As for them winning, they were up 2-0 and they lost. Now as has been mentioned multiple times, the best of the best superstars almost never win it in their first deep run in the playoffs, but still, they didn't win. And now they lost probably their 3rd best player and sure, it's done and it's time to get over that, but I do think the Bucks should(or should have, still haven't heard about the TPE for certain) about trying to acquire that star player that has fallen out of favor on a rebuilding team.

 

That's not gonna involve the Bucks trading Middleton realistically, but you talk about depth and that will help them to again contend for home court advantage in the playoffs. But in the playoffs, that shrinks. That rotation should shrink at least to 7-8 guys getting most of the minutes. We're putting an awful lot into Sterling Brown becoming a viable replacement when he's really just been a league average or worse player, DDV, a more skilled version of Pat C and more athletic than Brogdon, but he was still not healthy enough to play in the summer league. And then there's Wesley Matthews. He's a good-reliable player, but he isn't going to be able to go too deep.

 

So we're really gonna need Giannis to improve his mid range game...maybe even more than his 3 point shot as that's where the "wall" so to speak really starts and he can so easily rise up over guys who are on their heels and take that 10-12 footer all day, he just doesn't have the touch to hit it consistently yet.

 

 

I generally agree with what you're saying. They're not going to do much at this point. There are only a handful of FA's available that are worth signing and fewer guards. A ball handler like Shane Larkin might be nice, Trey Burke would be better. If you want a bigger shooter, Ryan Anderson was a sniper on the Rockets a few years ago, Jamal Crawford is 39 years old, yet he still put up 51 on the last game. He could certainly fit the Jason Terry type role.

 

Trey Lyles would be a great pickup and the type of guy who I still think could develop into a really nice player and Justin Holiday is a good, long 3 and D type guy who could help us out.

 

Any trade for a substantial player would likely take place in January. But you look at what the Bulls did last year in dumping Jabari Parker and Bobby Portis to get Otto Jr. and there are a lot of one sided trades that can be made in season to get that 2nd or 3rd tier player that could help take a lot of pressure off Giannis and help them in a playoff series.

[OnTheBlack]

agreed, they will add two 2-way contracts and go to camp with this squad. I think massively changing the club in July (which is what a CP3 trade would do) is not smart, which doesn't even taken into account that I do not like CP3 at this stage of his career or do not like how he fits in with this squad.

 

Bonzi Colson had a nice summer and wouldn't be surprised if he is brought to camp and then there is one to go.

 

 

Ok, obviously you're not going to totally reshape your roster at this point. Though, unrealistic as it may be, I really would be all for it, particularly if it included the young PG OKC got from the Clippers as I think he's gonna be a star and maybe a superstar, but why wouldn't Paul fit in with this team?

 

He's an all time great PG and of course he's not as good as he was, but he's still a very good defender, a great ball handler and a really good shooter. And he's played with Harden who's an actual black hole offensively, albeit a very good one. But he'd be the first great passing PG Giannis has played with(and again, I think he's the lesser of the two assets with Gilgeous-Alexander being a really valuable young player.

 

You get a guy who's still probably a top 6 PG in the NBA, a great catch and shoot 3 point shooter, and a guy who can play the point or play off the ball right now. He's gives you a 2-3 year window to really compete.

[Mr Southpaw]

Christian Wood has been release by New Orleans. Sign him immediately! Geez, the sign GA's brother, This is a no brainer.

[jjfanec]

Christian Wood has been release by New Orleans. Sign him immediately! Geez, the sign GA's brother, This is a no brainer.

 

He was put on waivers and the pistons claimed him. I don't think the Bucks had a shot to get him. Very interesting the Pelicans gave up on him. NBA coaches must view him much differently than fans

[Baldkin]

Christian Wood has been release by New Orleans. Sign him immediately! Geez, the sign GA's brother, This is a no brainer.

 

He was put on waivers and the pistons claimed him. I don't think the Bucks had a shot to get him. Very interesting the Pelicans gave up on him. NBA coaches must view him much differently than fans

 

Turns out being 7 feet tall and being completely unwilling to play defense is a downside.

[patrickgpe]

Bucks are meeting with JR Smith. They do need a veteran shooter, and while at 33, not sure what he has left. I guess they could do worse for one of their final 2 spots.

[patrickgpe]

Kostas was waived by the Mavs today, wonder if the bucks will go for all 3.

[homer]

Bucks signed Korver to a one year deal per Woj.

[reillymcshane]

Bucks signed Korver to a one year deal per Woj.

Nice. Roster is filling out fine. I’ll miss Brogdon a lot, but we’ve done okay adding good role players.

[patrickgpe]

An elite shooter is what they needed most against toronto. On paper this team is now better than last years, despite loosing Brogdon.

[wildcat83]

Bucks signed Korver to a one year deal per Woj.

 

Really nice signing. The more shooters they can put on the floor the better, and there aren’t many that can stretch the floor like Korver.

[RollieTime]

LOVE the Korver signing. Knock down shooter like him will be huge for us all year, but could be a key piece to putting us over the top. Career 43% three point shooter? Sign me up!

[patrickgpe]

Bucks also signing Frank Mason II to a 2 way contract

[GAME05]

I don't think losing Brogdon hurts that bad only because losing to Toronto wasn't a matter of not having enough talent, but scheme and execution. I'm expecting that this entire offseason is being spent designing an offensive system to beat the Giannis Wall. I remember some plays against Toronto where they started having Giannis down in the 3-point corner to try and start his drives from there.

 

Will Korver really have that much of an impact? Offensively he seems to me a mirror image of Tony Snell--strictly a catch-and-shoot player who can knock it down, but only shoots when he's wide open. And Snell didn't light up the box scores.

[Diamondbacks]

I love the move

Ever since I heard the rumors, I've been praying Bucks sign him. We needed a J Reddick type SHARP shooter that wanted to be here.

Korver about to get a ring and retire.

[Mr Southpaw]

I don't think losing Brogdon hurts that bad only because losing to Toronto wasn't a matter of not having enough talent, but scheme and execution. I'm expecting that this entire offseason is being spent designing an offensive system to beat the Giannis Wall. I remember some plays against Toronto where they started having Giannis down in the 3-point corner to try and start his drives from there.

 

Will Korver really have that much of an impact? Offensively he seems to me a mirror image of Tony Snell--strictly a catch-and-shoot player who can knock it down, but only shoots when he's wide open. And Snell didn't light up the box scores.

 

Korver is a waaaaaayyyyy better shooter than Snell. He is a top five 3 point shooter in the league. Great pick up.

[RollieTime]

Bucks also signing Frank Mason II to a 2 way contract

 

Really like this move too. Hopefully a change of scenery helps him settle in and be a productive NBA player. I think he’s a much better shooter than what he has shown so far in his young career with Sacramento. He sure could shoot when he was at Kansas.

[reillymcshane]

Kyle Korver is one of the finest 3-point shooters in NBA history. 43% 3-point shooter lifetime. 40% last year. He can hit from anywhere - even with defenders on him. Of course, you want him open, but the guy is pretty unique.

 

However, his defense is bad, and at 38, his skills are fading. Should be a good role player. Perfect for the club.

[Mr Southpaw]

Kyle Korver is one of the finest 3-point shooters in NBA history. 43% 3-point shooter lifetime. 40% last year. He can hit from anywhere - even with defenders on him. Of course, you want him open, but the guy is pretty unique.

 

However, his defense is bad, and at 38, his skills are fading. Should be a good role player. Perfect for the club.

 

I think Bud will play him with the best defenders the Bucks have. I think he is a great match with Robing Lopez in that the rim will be protected when Korver's defense slides. I think the first three shifts of the half look something like this.

 

Bledsoe.......Hill...................Bledsoe

Matthews…..Korver...............DiVincenzo

Middleton....Connaughton.....Middleton

Giannis.......Giannis.............Wilson

BroLo….......RoLo.................Ilyasova

 

I really like the second rotation With GA looking to drive and dish with RoLo looking for offensive rebounds. Bledsoe with the third group just drives, drives and drives looking to give it up the the four really good shooters.

[Mr Southpaw]

Kyle Korver is one of the finest 3-point shooters in NBA history. 43% 3-point shooter lifetime. 40% last year. He can hit from anywhere - even with defenders on him. Of course, you want him open, but the guy is pretty unique.

 

However, his defense is bad, and at 38, his skills are fading. Should be a good role player. Perfect for the club.

 

I think Bud will play him with the best defenders the Bucks have. I think he is a great match with Robing Lopez in that the rim will be protected when Korver's defense slides. I think the first three shifts of the half look something like this.

 

Bledsoe.......Hill...................Bledsoe

Matthews…..Korver...............DiVincenzo

Middleton....Connaughton.....Middleton

Giannis.......Giannis.............Wilson

BroLo….......RoLo.................Ilyasova

 

I really like the second rotation With GA looking to drive and dish with RoLo looking for offensive rebounds. Bledsoe with the third group just drives, drives and drives looking to give it up the the four really good shooters.

 

So excited about the 1st quarter rotation, I did a 2nd quarter rotation. I know it is hard to play 13 players, but just think of the defensive intensity and all the rest we will get long term.

 

Hill.............Bledsoe......Hill

Matthews…..Korver........Connaughton

Middleton....Brown........Middleton

Ilyasova .....Giannis.......Wilson(Giannis in big Games)

BroLo….......RoLo...........BroLo

[FVBrewerFan]

They're not going to use a 13 man rotation. Korver's minutes will be really limited until late in the season. Matthews and Hill will see their minutes managed too. Look for random injured list, etc. However they do it, they'll want to make sure these guys are fresh come playoff time.

[sveumrules]

I think the minutes will be divvied up something like...

 

Bledsoe (30)

Wes (24)

Khris (32)

Giannis (32)

BroLo (24)

 

Hill (24)

Ersan/RoLo/DJ (40)

DDV/Pat/Sterling/Korver (18)

 

Think it will be interesting to see how the back up big/wing rotations work out. Would be nice if one or more of DJ, DDV, Pat or Sterling could take a step forward & become a solid rotation piece. I feel like they've all shown flashes here & there.

[homer]

I think Wes and Hill give up some minutes to those four guys on the bottom. I don't see either getting much more than 20 a game.

[long ball]

I think Giannis, Bled, Midds, and Brook are all similar in MPG as last year (28-32 mpg). I think we may see a few more rest days for those guys this season though. Having a true back up 5 this year and having a true back up PG from day one this year could help lighten the load of Bled and Brook.

 

If memory serves, bud would mostly go with a 10 man rotation during the regular season. Ersan, Matthews, Korver, Robin, and Hill are all likely start the season in the rotation. So that leaves three of DJ, DDV, Brown, and Pat out of the rotation to start the season, but as we saw last year they'll all get an extended run as part of the rotation. I think it was most obvious with Pat Connaughton. Korver is most likely to fall out of regular rotation minutes and potentially be used as more of a specialist.

 

TL;DR we should feel pretty comfortable with the depth of this team and excited where they are at from day 1 in 2019 vs where the roster was on day 1 of 2018.