Bucks off-season thread (non-draft)

[BillScottCanRake]

Is it possible the Bucks kept the players who wanted to continue playing with Milwaukee and lost those who did not? One of the guys they didn't retain voluntarily decided to play in another league.

 

I have no idea what either player is thinking, but it wouldn't surprise me if maybe they just wanted to play somewhere else so the Bucks made the moves they did.

[homer]

Let's not forget that Donte was get 15 - 20+ min off the bench at the beginning of the year. So he must have showed a lot during pre-season. I think he's a sleeper.

[HiAndTight]

So at end of the day, Bucks signed everyone except Mirotic and Brogdon and got a 1st and two 2nd round picks.

 

 

Yeah, Mirotic was probably never going to come back. He turned down 3/45 from Utah.

 

But losing Brogdon....I wanted the Bucks to get picks. I wanted them to add young talent so they could improve this roster and not find themselves stuck like the Wolves were with KG when he was 30(where Giannis will be after his next deal, provided he signs). I was even hoping they'd sign some UDFA like it's football.

 

But losing such a great catch and shoot guy, a good passer, someone who can defend 3 positions well. That's gonna hurt a lot unless we're able to get something out of DDV.

 

I just wonder if we'll end up hearing their "walk away" number from Brogdon was the 10-12 million it was talked about him potentially getting a few months ago.

 

Man, this market really went nuts.

[Jenkins5]

Right there with you HighandTight. Coolhand his making me dislike players I should like in similar way Clancy has soured me on many prospects.... like how I smile that Roegnar has struggled since coming back when I really shouldn’t be happy about that.

[HiAndTight]

Is it possible the Bucks kept the players who wanted to continue playing with Milwaukee and lost those who did not? One of the guys they didn't retain voluntarily decided to play in another league.

 

I have no idea what either player is thinking, but it wouldn't surprise me if maybe they just wanted to play somewhere else so the Bucks made the moves they did.

 

 

I don't think so. It's obviously possible. Luke was the one who said Mirotic said he wanted to stay in Milwaukee. I don't think he ever made sense with Wilson.

 

But Brogdon...I don't see him leaving the situation he's in for Indy if all things financially are equal.

 

I think he just exceeded what they were willing to pay. And that is irksome. That's the nicest I can put that. Copulation and cow waste in different terms would more accurately portray my feelings on the matter.

[OldHeidelberg]

So at end of the day, Bucks signed everyone except Mirotic and Brogdon and got a 1st and two 2nd round picks.

 

If Brogdon didn't want to be in Milwaukee it's not the worst day for them. They did need to get some picks back even if they aren't great as they traded away a lot in the past couple of years.

[HiAndTight]

Let's not forget that Donte was get 15 - 20+ min off the bench at the beginning of the year. So he must have showed a lot during pre-season. I think he's a sleeper.

 

 

And everything he showed in college and his athletic ability, his bounce. Maybe the Bucks think he's going to be a really good player and Sterling Brown can bridge the gap until he finds his footing.

 

 

What I really-really hope we don't see is a Hill/Bledsoe backcourt. That was why I liked Brogdon. He could play the point, but he was bigger and more physical.

[coolhandluke121]

Per @albertnahmad

 

If the Bucks (i) waive-and-stretch John Leuer, (ii) stretch George Hill’s $1.0M cap hit, and (iii) rescind Malcom Brogdon’s $3.0M qualifying offer, but keep his Non-Bird rights at $1.6M, to S&T him, they can create $9.2M of cap room. Which could result in 3/$29M for George Hill.

 

Not allowed to have George Hill on the roster under any circumstances if they stretch his $1m cap hit from his previous contract. Difference of $666,667 or whatever, so the premise is right.

 

Honestly not sure how switching to non-Bird rights affects anything, but not gonna take this person's word for it if they don't know about the rule I mentioned above.

[HiAndTight]

As I predicted, everyone back except Brogdon and Miroric.

 

 

Really? You thought Brogdon was gone?

 

I thought he was a given or a near given to return since he was restricted and a lot cheaper than Middleton.

 

 

This is speculative on my part, but I just don't think Brogdon was crazy about Milwaukee, and I think basketball is more of a way for him to pursue other future ambitions than something he's really passionate about.

 

Bledsoe and Lopez for example always seemed like they really wanted to stay here and be a part of this. I just never got that impression from Malcolm.

 

I thought he had made some political comments about how segregated Milwaukee was or something along those lines. And I know he wants a future in politics. And he's not at all wrong about the segregation. It is the most segregated city in the country. It has to be of a certain size, but it is extremely segregated.

 

I also know he wants athletes to be more focal and speak up.

 

So maybe that's it. I tend to think he was fine with the Basketball, but he's an activist.

 

 

But that tweet, that seems to be choosing the wording carefully, so I'll defer to you on this one.

[Jenkins5]

Let's not forget that Donte was get 15 - 20+ min off the bench at the beginning of the year. So he must have showed a lot during pre-season. I think he's a sleeper.

 

 

And everything he showed in college and his athletic ability, his bounce. Maybe the Bucks think he's going to be a really good player and Sterling Brown can bridge the gap until he finds his footing.

 

 

What I really-really hope we don't see is a Hill/Bledsoe backcourt. That was why I liked Brogdon. He could play the point, but he was bigger and more physical.

 

Think Hill is too important off the bench to bring energy & scoring. A Hill/Bledsoe doesn’t make sense for me. If they go Middleton at 3, I rather see Sterling start at 2.

[HiAndTight]

Right there with you HighandTight. Coolhand his making me dislike players I should like in similar way Clancy has soured me on many prospects.... like how I smile that Roegnar has struggled since coming back when I really shouldn’t be happy about that.

 

 

I know. It's like he got on the George Hill bandwagon and once we got to the playoffs and he started playing well....I was so conflicted every time he good play. Good game, 20 posts. Bad game like the 0-6 0 point game, nothing.

 

 

You come to respect people on merit. And I do respect his basketball knowledge. But I'm a bit worried I'm gonna see George Hill just instinctively start yelling at him!

[homer]

OK, enough about other posters and back to the Bucks...

[HiAndTight]

Let's not forget that Donte was get 15 - 20+ min off the bench at the beginning of the year. So he must have showed a lot during pre-season. I think he's a sleeper.

 

 

And everything he showed in college and his athletic ability, his bounce. Maybe the Bucks think he's going to be a really good player and Sterling Brown can bridge the gap until he finds his footing.

 

 

What I really-really hope we don't see is a Hill/Bledsoe backcourt. That was why I liked Brogdon. He could play the point, but he was bigger and more physical.

 

Think Hill is too important off the bench to bring energy & scoring. A Hill/Bledsoe doesn’t make sense for me. If they go Middleton at 3, I rather see Sterling start at 2.

 

Sure, start with Brown, see how he does. I'm just concerned with the size.

 

With Malcolm, we had a PG who could play off the ball. I think Darren Collison would be a great fit on this team if they could still pick him up.

 

 

I'm really thrown by the values of some of these players. Collison showed up a few places as a guy who'd be had for the vets minimum. If so, great. WE should also have a MLE as well.

[Jenkins5]

Per @albertnahmad

 

If the Bucks (i) waive-and-stretch John Leuer, (ii) stretch George Hill’s $1.0M cap hit, and (iii) rescind Malcom Brogdon’s $3.0M qualifying offer, but keep his Non-Bird rights at $1.6M, to S&T him, they can create $9.2M of cap room. Which could result in 3/$29M for George Hill.

 

Not allowed to have George Hill on the roster under any circumstances if they stretch his $1m cap hit from his previous contract. Difference of $666,667 or whatever, so the premise is right.

 

Honestly not sure how switching to non-Bird rights affects anything, but not gonna take this person's word for it if they don't know about the rule I mentioned above.

 

Regardless to how it got done, Horst figured something out. Huge part of his job is fully understanding how to work the CBA guidelines/rules. Be interesting to see what he managed to do.

[adambr2]

Khris Middleton in his own words: "Giannis and I want to win a championship together some day. We've both already gotten back in the gym this summer and are determined to make next season special. This team is on a mission to win it all for our city."

 

Speculating again but I'm guessing it was really important for Giannis that the Bucks commit to Middleton. If they had let Middleton walk and that pushes Giannis out after 2020, it doesn't really matter what their other moves are today. Important aspect to keep in mind when evaluating Middleton's deal. It isn't just "is he worth 36M a year" in a vacuum. He's not, but if Giannis isn't here, it doesn't matter what we're paying Khris.

[coolhandluke121]

Per @albertnahmad

 

If the Bucks (i) waive-and-stretch John Leuer, (ii) stretch George Hill’s $1.0M cap hit, and (iii) rescind Malcom Brogdon’s $3.0M qualifying offer, but keep his Non-Bird rights at $1.6M, to S&T him, they can create $9.2M of cap room. Which could result in 3/$29M for George Hill.

 

Not allowed to have George Hill on the roster under any circumstances if they stretch his $1m cap hit from his previous contract. Difference of $666,667 or whatever, so the premise is right.

 

Honestly not sure how switching to non-Bird rights affects anything, but not gonna take this person's word for it if they don't know about the rule I mentioned above.

 

Regardless to how it got done, Horst figured something out. Huge part of his job is fully understanding how to work the CBA guidelines/rules. Be interesting to see what he managed to do.

 

That guy might have been right about switching to non-bird rights, but then I don't understand how they could get a TPE in the deal.

 

Worth noting that Hill's deal is the same as a 3-year MLE deal. He must have had MLE offers from other teams and told the Bucks that's what it would take.

 

ETA: sounds like they don't get a TPE. That's why I was surprised they had enough cap space for Hill's deal. Didn't account for the option of changing his cap hold in this fashion.

[homer]

Horford to Philly 4/109

[homer]

Also, Al Horford is Dominican?

[Jenkins5]

Interesting that Sixers got Horford. Leadership a big plus. Yet you really can’t play Joel & him together. Butler & Reddick being gone really hurt them a guard. You have Simmons who is pretty much their PG.

[HiAndTight]

Khris Middleton in his own words: "Giannis and I want to win a championship together some day. We've both already gotten back in the gym this summer and are determined to make next season special. This team is on a mission to win it all for our city."

 

Speculating again but I'm guessing it was really important for Giannis that the Bucks commit to Middleton. If they had let Middleton walk and that pushes Giannis out after 2020, it doesn't really matter what their other moves are today. Important aspect to keep in mind when evaluating Middleton's deal. It isn't just "is he worth 36M a year" in a vacuum. He's not, but if Giannis isn't here, it doesn't matter what we're paying Khris.

 

 

Absolutely, 100 pct agree with you as did others. I think that point was made several-several pages ago(this has been going a while obviously).

 

It's just so deflating. You know you're getting Middleton. That's the most important. Then you hear you're getting Lopez and it seems like Hill will be back and now it's just the RFA whos' left and......they trade him and get little in return.

 

 

Though, could it possibly work out that they use the massive PTE to add a star player on a bad team mid-season? Maybe this will be the way that we add Bradley Beal to the Bucks for instance? That's another side to this....although I don't know how that would work out exactly.

[homer]

Well that was a fun couple of hours. Time to do something else with my life. Keep it civil, dudes. It's just sports.

[HiAndTight]

 

That guy might have been right about switching to non-bird rights, but then I don't understand how they could get a TPE in the deal.

 

Worth noting that Hill's deal is the same as a 3-year MLE deal. He must have had MLE offers from other teams and told the Bucks that's what it would take.

 

ETA: sounds like they don't get a TPE. That's why I was surprised they had enough cap space for Hill's deal. Didn't account for the option of changing his cap hold in this fashion.

 

 

I doubt many teams were focused on George Hill other than his own team on the first day. That and the fact that Hill said after the season he wanted to come back, after they waived him that they would try to work on a deal.

[HiAndTight]

Horford to Philly 4/109

 

 

That just seems like more evidence that they're not sold on Embid over the long haul. But then...who the heck is gonna play guard for them. TJ McConnel and who else? If they even brought him back.

 

But the "Embid stopper" no longer has to stop "Embid." This makes me a little more worried about the Sixers.

[HiAndTight]

Interesting that Sixers got Horford. Leadership a big plus. Yet you really can’t play Joel & him together. Butler & Reddick being gone really hurt them a guard. You have Simmons who is pretty much their PG.

 

 

I didn't even see that Butler was gone.

 

They're really gonna have to find some guard.

 

They're big, but I don't trust Embid and Simmons can't shoot. Horford's a problem for sure.

 

Harris is a nice player, but without Butler or Reddick, they are another team that missed a big chance when they took Fultz and he developed whatever it was he developed. The yips kinda I guess?

[Jenkins5]

Embid, Horford, Simmons, and even Harris to extent are not real big floor spacers. Harris is solid but not a guy you overly worry about & Horford can step out on occasion but they will only give you on average 2-3 3FG combined a game. Embid & Simmons create zero spacing. Richardson is improving but still only a career 36% shooter from 3.

 

Think the Bucks will be able to defend rim & force them to take shots they don’t want to. Force the 3 ball.