This year's deadline

[PDCBalla]

This year's deadline is going to be relatively lame in terms of being able to swing for any of the top targets. We just don't have the prospect capital. That's why it would not surprise me to see Stearns and Mark go in for one of Kimbrel or Dallas after the draft. After trading away the comp pick for Claudio and trading away all the prospects last year, it would be a great time to spend monetarily this year and start stock piling more prospects for future trades.

 

Now if a Corey Ray can get you a solid bullpen arm then make that move. With Keston, Burnes, Freddy, Woody and now Drew Ras all in the future plans of the organization, they'll have to start to stock pile more talent.

[Brew crew 92]

Great take on what should happen, especially considering Mark A. Said putting aside money for trade deadline deals.

 

But we’ll see how much he’s willing to spend. If he increases payroll by 20 million, Stearns can turn this team into a juggernaut. But we’ll see.

[pacopete4]

Great take on what should happen, especially considering Mark A. Said putting aside money for trade deadline deals.

 

But we’ll see how much he’s willing to spend. If he increases payroll by 20 million, Stearns can turn this team into a juggernaut. But we’ll see.

 

When did he say this? Can you provide a source to this as I have seen you reference it a bunch, in multiple threads?

[Brew crew 92]

“ all the chips are in now.We’ll find the money at midseason if we need to.”

 

Brew Crew ball. Feb.22,2019.

[wildcat2237]

Great take on what should happen, especially considering Mark A. Said putting aside money for trade deadline deals.

 

But we’ll see how much he’s willing to spend. If he increases payroll by 20 million, Stearns can turn this team into a juggernaut. But we’ll see.

 

When did he say this? Can you provide a source to this as I have seen you reference it a bunch, in multiple threads?

 

Brewcrew92 is right.

 

Attanasio was quoted in the Journal Sentinal.

 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2019/02/19/mark-attanasio-enthused-renovated-facility-and-teams-chances/2920466002/

 

And here is a snippit of the article:

 

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Last year, the Brewers began the season with a payroll of about $91 million.

 

“Our ownership group is committed to providing the resources to do the best job we can, competing on the field, providing the fan experience and developing our players,” Attanasio said. “The money sort of all came together at once. That wasn’t part of the plan.

 

“You can’t sequence this. So, I had to make a decision are we going to sequence it or do everything at once. We did everything at once.”

 

Which begged the question: Do the Brewers have enough cash in reserve to be aggressive at the trade deadline if the team is in the thick of the race and has needs, as it did last season en route to the NL Central Crown and a deep playoff push to Game 7 of the NLCS?

 

“We have so many roster spots filled now,” Attanasio said. “That’s more the challenge than finding the money for in-season (additions). All the chips are all in now. We’ll find the money at mid-season if we need to.”

 

On the subject of spending money, Attanasio has heard the outside cries for his team to spend on a pitching ace. They didn't do it after 2017 or after the thrilling '18 season but he didn't seem too concerned.

 

"Every year, we are the Rodney Dangerfield of major-league pitching staffs," he said. "No respect. And every year they've performed. I'm excited to see what they can do this year as well."

 

As he does every spring before the team’s first full-squad workout, Attanasio delivered an address to the players during a morning meeting. He said the script was similar to the past couple of years because, basically, why fix what ain’t broke?

 

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[Brew crew 92]

Here’s what I’d do ASAP:

 

1.) trade for Justin Smoak now > Cost 5 mil. & a couple middling prospects.

 

2.) Trade Aguilar asap for whatever I could get. Every game he’s in the dugout is a negative influence thru no fault of his own, just is.

 

3.) Sign Kimbrel next week for 3 yrs at 42 mil. 10 mil this yr and 16 the next 2.

 

4.) Trade Thames for whatever I could get/salary relief.

 

Then i re-evaluate as we get closer to the deadline.

 

Add 15 mil to this year’s payroll with Smoak and Kimbrel and subtract a few mil trading Thames. Smoak will help our offense with power Walks and no Ks, and Kimbrel can dominate the 9th from July thru oct.2021.

[TURBO]

Really, you would want to trade for Smoak? Then sign Kimbrel?

 

Who would have guessed. Just keep hammering that same drum, eventually, everyone will agree with you, and you will be a hero.

[MrTPlush]

Lol Aguilar is worth a bag of balls

[Brew crew 92]

Really, you would want to trade for Smoak? Then sign Kimbrel?

 

Who would have guessed. Just keep hammering that same drum, eventually, everyone will agree with you, and you will be a hero.

 

What I want is team that can win a championship. How can we improve enough to get past the dodgers? Without giving up Turang Ashby Rasmussen Burnes or any other of our future?

 

My plan spends 12 mil. Loses no prospects, gives us a better offense, the best bullpen in baseball, and a real shot at beating the dodgers. With a payroll 60 million less than them at 139 mil.

[Brew crew 92]

Lol Aguilar is worth a bag of balls

 

I believe a team will give up a real prospect/prospects for an ultimate change of scenery candidate. Would think a tanking/rebuilding team be the team so they can put him at first and just let him play.

[pacopete4]

Why would anyone give up anything? They’ll just wait for the DFA to happen.

[MrTPlush]

Why would anyone give up anything? They’ll just wait for the DFA to happen.

 

Yah we have our backs against a wall with him. Teams won’t line up and give us real prospects for him. Teams know we are competing and can’t afford someone hitting like a pitcher on our team.

 

If we got prospects it would be marginal at best and a bag of balls arguably would offer more future value to our team. Teams aren’t dumb and see Aguilar hasn’t been that good outside of a few months. First baseman aren’t that incredibly hard to find.

[wntrtxn21]

This year's deadline is going to be relatively lame in terms of being able to swing for any of the top targets. We just don't have the prospect capital. That's why it would not surprise me to see Stearns and Mark go in for one of Kimbrel or Dallas after the draft. After trading away the comp pick for Claudio and trading away all the prospects last year, it would be a great time to spend monetarily this year and start stock piling more prospects for future trades.

 

Now if a Corey Ray can get you a solid bullpen arm then make that move. With Keston, Burnes, Freddy, Woody and now Drew Ras all in the future plans of the organization, they'll have to start to stock pile more talent.

 

The way Ray has been playing for the last three years, he wouldn't bring anything. He has been awful from A+ through this year at AAA and he's currently hurt.

[wntrtxn21]

Here’s what I’d do ASAP:

 

1.) trade for Justin Smoak now > Cost 5 mil. & a couple middling prospects.

 

2.) Trade Aguilar asap for whatever I could get. Every game he’s in the dugout is a negative influence thru no fault of his own, just is.

 

3.) Sign Kimbrel next week for 3 yrs at 42 mil. 10 mil this yr and 16 the next 2.

 

4.) Trade Thames for whatever I could get/salary relief.

 

Then i re-evaluate as we get closer to the deadline.

 

Add 15 mil to this year’s payroll with Smoak and Kimbrel and subtract a few mil trading Thames. Smoak will help our offense with power Walks and no Ks, and Kimbrel can dominate the 9th from July thru oct.2021.

 

The problem with your scenario is that next year they would add $16M, plus they need to pick up the $11M for Moustakas, and if the re-sign Smoak that's another $9-11M added on. They also have Knebel, Shaw, Davies, Perez, Guerra, Gamel, Arcia, and Suter arby eligible. With the payroll already at a Brewer record, money becomes a major factor.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Here’s what I’d do ASAP:

 

1.) trade for Justin Smoak now > Cost 5 mil. & a couple middling prospects.

 

2.) Trade Aguilar asap for whatever I could get. Every game he’s in the dugout is a negative influence thru no fault of his own, just is.

 

3.) Sign Kimbrel next week for 3 yrs at 42 mil. 10 mil this yr and 16 the next 2.

 

4.) Trade Thames for whatever I could get/salary relief.

 

Then i re-evaluate as we get closer to the deadline.

 

Add 15 mil to this year’s payroll with Smoak and Kimbrel and subtract a few mil trading Thames. Smoak will help our offense with power Walks and no Ks, and Kimbrel can dominate the 9th from July thru oct.2021.

 

Yeah ... then what happens when Smoak hits .210 the rest of the way? Because his track record isn't exactly stellar.

[adambr2]

Here’s what I’d do ASAP:

 

1.) trade for Justin Smoak now > Cost 5 mil. & a couple middling prospects.

 

2.) Trade Aguilar asap for whatever I could get. Every game he’s in the dugout is a negative influence thru no fault of his own, just is.

 

3.) Sign Kimbrel next week for 3 yrs at 42 mil. 10 mil this yr and 16 the next 2.

 

4.) Trade Thames for whatever I could get/salary relief.

 

Then i re-evaluate as we get closer to the deadline.

 

Add 15 mil to this year’s payroll with Smoak and Kimbrel and subtract a few mil trading Thames. Smoak will help our offense with power Walks and no Ks, and Kimbrel can dominate the 9th from July thru oct.2021.

 

The problem with your scenario is that next year they would add $16M, plus they need to pick up the $11M for Moustakas, and if the re-sign Smoak that's another $9-11M added on. They also have Knebel, Shaw, Davies, Perez, Guerra, Gamel, Arcia, and Suter arby eligible. With the payroll already at a Brewer record, money becomes a major factor.

 

Moose's 11M option almost certainly isn't getting picked up. As with most mutual options he either outperforms it and it's undermarket (looking likely) or he underperforms it and it's overmarket.

 

It was most likely just a simple way to defer some salary to 2020, same with Grandal's option.

 

Given Hiura's presence I seriously doubt Moose is here next year unless Shaw is traded or continues to completely flame out.

[PeaveyFury]

Every game he’s in the dugout is a negative influence thru no fault of his own, just is.

 

What does this even mean??

[Brew crew 92]

Here’s what I’d do ASAP:

 

1.) trade for Justin Smoak now > Cost 5 mil. & a couple middling prospects.

 

2.) Trade Aguilar asap for whatever I could get. Every game he’s in the dugout is a negative influence thru no fault of his own, just is.

 

3.) Sign Kimbrel next week for 3 yrs at 42 mil. 10 mil this yr and 16 the next 2.

 

4.) Trade Thames for whatever I could get/salary relief.

 

Then i re-evaluate as we get closer to the deadline.

 

Add 15 mil to this year’s payroll with Smoak and Kimbrel and subtract a few mil trading Thames. Smoak will help our offense with power Walks and no Ks, and Kimbrel can dominate the 9th from July thru oct.2021.

 

The problem with your scenario is that next year they would add $16M, plus they need to pick up the $11M for Moustakas, and if the re-sign Smoak that's another $9-11M added on. They also have Knebel, Shaw, Davies, Perez, Guerra, Gamel, Arcia, and Suter arby eligible. With the payroll already at a Brewer record, money becomes a major factor.

 

No Grandal > 18 mil

No moose > 9 mil

That’s = 27 mil

 

New Fox deal > 9 mil

That’s = 36 mil - 16 mil = +20 mil to keep payroll where it’s at now.

 

Then in the last year of Kimbrel’s contract:

 

New turner & Espn deal > 10 mil(EST.)

New local tv deal > 8 mil(EST.)

No Braun contract > 14 mil( less 2 mil buyout)

That’s 32 mil. - 16 mil. kimbrel = +16 mil. To keep payroll the same.

 

That doesn’t include extra revenue from attendance, corporate sponsors, licensing, playoff revenue.

[MrTPlush]

This year's deadline is going to be relatively lame in terms of being able to swing for any of the top targets. We just don't have the prospect capital. That's why it would not surprise me to see Stearns and Mark go in for one of Kimbrel or Dallas after the draft. After trading away the comp pick for Claudio and trading away all the prospects last year, it would be a great time to spend monetarily this year and start stock piling more prospects for future trades.

 

Now if a Corey Ray can get you a solid bullpen arm then make that move. With Keston, Burnes, Freddy, Woody and now Drew Ras all in the future plans of the organization, they'll have to start to stock pile more talent.

 

The way Ray has been playing for the last three years, he wouldn't bring anything. He has been awful from A+ through this year at AAA and he's currently hurt.

 

He was pretty darn good last year, but this year not so much. He has value, but I doubt it is worth risking our #5 pick going somewhere else and figuring it out. Stearns and Co. already look pretty dumb for that pick.

[Brew crew 92]

Every game he’s in the dugout is a negative influence thru no fault of his own, just is.

 

What does this even mean??

 

It means it’s uncomfortable for players to be around someone struggling soooooooo badly for an entire 2 mo. Outside of a week.

[BillScottCanRake]

Maybe Aguilar can wear a hazmat suit so the others are more at ease being around him?

[wntrtxn21]

Here’s what I’d do ASAP:

 

1.) trade for Justin Smoak now > Cost 5 mil. & a couple middling prospects.

 

2.) Trade Aguilar asap for whatever I could get. Every game he’s in the dugout is a negative influence thru no fault of his own, just is.

 

3.) Sign Kimbrel next week for 3 yrs at 42 mil. 10 mil this yr and 16 the next 2.

 

4.) Trade Thames for whatever I could get/salary relief.

 

Then i re-evaluate as we get closer to the deadline.

 

Add 15 mil to this year’s payroll with Smoak and Kimbrel and subtract a few mil trading Thames. Smoak will help our offense with power Walks and no Ks, and Kimbrel can dominate the 9th from July thru oct.2021.

 

The problem with your scenario is that next year they would add $16M, plus they need to pick up the $11M for Moustakas, and if the re-sign Smoak that's another $9-11M added on. They also have Knebel, Shaw, Davies, Perez, Guerra, Gamel, Arcia, and Suter arby eligible. With the payroll already at a Brewer record, money becomes a major factor.

 

No Grandal > 18 mil

No moose > 9 mil

That’s = 27 mil

 

New Fox deal > 9 mil

That’s = 36 mil - 16 mil = +20 mil to keep payroll where it’s at now.

 

Then in the last year of Kimbrel’s contract:

 

New turner & Espn deal > 10 mil(EST.)

New local tv deal > 8 mil(EST.)

No Braun contract > 14 mil( less 2 mil buyout)

That’s 32 mil. - 16 mil. kimbrel = +16 mil. To keep payroll the same.

 

That doesn’t include extra revenue from attendance, corporate sponsors, licensing, playoff revenue.[/quote

 

You're assuming they aren't going to keep their #4 hitter (Moose) who is doing very well. I think Stearns jumps to keep him at the chance and look to trade Shaw or put him at 1B. They also will need a replacement for Grandal. They didn't like Pena as a starter this year so nothing will change and Nottingham isn't the answer. Plus you forget the 9 arby eligible guys.

[Oxy]

I agree that we aren't going to make any big moves at the deadline. We have no obvious holes anywhere on the roster, lots of decent depth and a middling farm system that will likely need to be tapped into next year when Chacin, Anderson, Thames, Moose and Grandal are all likely gone.

 

I'd say we need an Ace, but our depth might make up for us not having a TOR type guy (although Woodruff might get there), and nobody is going to trade us an ace for a whole bunch of middling pieces.

 

Getting another relief arm seems likely, but I'm not sure that any guy we could get would actually be more talented than the guys we have...same with the SP situation.

[long ball]

I think the Brewers need a reliever. Similar to the Soria deal from last season.

 

They might need a right handed bat who can play first if Aguilar doesn't get it going. Realistically a lot of the offensive concerns would be alleviated if Shaw and Aguilar get going.

 

Here are some thoughts on some right handed/switch hitter targets:

Neil Walker- having a nice season. Currently on the IL, but can't really hit as a righty anymore

Smoak- having a nice season, but is way better as a lefty than righty

Abreu- mediocre season, but hits lefties pretty well. White Sox may not want to move him

Howie Kendrick- Probably my #1 target if they can't get Aguilar going. Obviously some injury concern, but the way Thames is hitting the Brewers wouldn't need him to play everyday. Biggest obstacle might be Washington's unwillingness to sell.

Logan Forsythe- would be a good move as well if the Rangers decide to sell. Having a really nice season and is playing a lot of first base for them.

Todd Frazier- if the Mets sell he could be a good pick up. Offers third and first base coverage and a nice righty bat.

[Oxy]

Since April 29th, Aguilar is slashing .263/.376/.461. I highly doubt we will be able to significantly upgrade at 1B from a Thames/Aguilar platoon. Plus, once Hiura comes up we'll just have another roster spot to find.

 

We might be able to find a guy who is having a decent year and has outproduced the guys we have, but moving forward and trying to predict production from here on out is a totally different matter. None of those guys are actually an upgrade.