NBA Draft Thread

[OnTheBlack]

 

1st-Jabari wasn't that long ago. So that isn't really that telling. We have DJ Wilson who looks like he'll contribute, we missed on Vaughn and we have DDV who people are talking about being one of the main guys to fill in for Middleton. But what they've done in the past few years with 1st round picks isn't really the point. I don't think you give up on drafting and developing players because you've struggled with it(and again, I don't really think they've struggled that badly as your statement could be very different 9 months from now if Wilson and DDV are key contributors).

yes, Jabari was the 2nd pick in the draft that they got a full season and 2 half seasons from. not exactly what you would expect from 2nd overall and that was 5 years ago.

 

Wilson will contribute, and DDV didn't get much of a rookie year, but I think on June 19th, you can say they struggled on 1st round picks. Yes you need to develop players in Milwaukee, especially since you will not be getting top free agents to come here, my only point was in this offseason, its more important to resign your guys rather than get the 30th pick in the draft.

 

I understand what you're saying, but when you saying, "going back to Jabari," as you said, that's 5 years. Only 5 years. It takes picks a while to develop. So I just don't agree that we can say they've struggled recently on 1st round picks. I'm also not really making the distinction between 1st round picks and picks overall that you are as Brogdon was picked just a few spots after where we're picking this year, and has been a top 5 player in both VORP and WS's, they picked up a 3 and D role player in Brown, one of the other main guys people have talked about replacing Middleton with. They clearly missed on Thon and Vaughn they hit on Wilson, Brogdon, Brown. And they just got incredibly unlucky with Jabari. You can't really blame them for two torn ACL's. You could potentially blame them for how they handled the Jabari situation after he was already here, but not for the production you got from him. That not really a fair representation of their ability to scout as I think almost every team would have taken him 2nd and many 1st. In a poll, 37 pct of GM's said he'd be the best player in that draft class, 75 pct thought he'd be ROY. I was never really a fan of Parker but after Embid went down with an injury, I was hoping the Cavs would take him and we'd get Wiggins...but he too has been underwhelming to say the least. Hell, I wish they'd have signed him this past off-season and then they could have dealt him to the Wizzard's and they could let Middleton walk and have Otto Porter.

 

So I don't think you're being entirely fair about their picks. You also have to keep in mind that Bud comes from Pop's coaching tree and he is loathe to play rookies and doesn't play young player in general much. It takes a while for them to develop. So I'm looking at 4 years in which we added DJ Wilson, Malcom Brogdon, and Sterling Brown and missed out on a couple other guys they technically drafted because they'd traded away their picks(OG Anunoby and Norman Powell were drafted with the picks we sent to Toronto).

 

But the way this team is dealing future picks to clean up past mistakes, they're going to end up with very few options to pick up young talent in Giannis prime.

 

I agree it's more important right now to sign our priority FA's, but I do not think it's worth it to package a 1st and Ersan just to get rid of Ersan. At the very least I'd hope we're getting a nice veteran PG in return. If we can move Snell for a non-guaranteed contract or at least an expiring deal and get back at least something, I'd be in favor of that.

[patrickgpe]

They clearly missed on Thon and Vaughn they hit on Wilson, Brogdon, Brown. And they just got incredibly unlucky with Jabari.

 

I think its too early to say they hit on DJ or Sterling. Both contributed very little down the stretch. Wilson had a handful of good games, but thats not enough to say they hit on him. But to criticize all of the picks wasn't really my entire point. My only point is for the draft only its more important to resign as much as they can from last year. I'm happy with the move, but the savings from this year isn't going to really help resign anyone.

 

Overall, I hope Horst will learn from Hammond's mistake and when you trade for someone who hasn't done much in Chicago, has a big final 25 games of the season after the trade in a free agent year, it rarely works to sign him to a big extension.

[nodakfan17]

The history of the ‘Stepien Rule’ is a real gem.

 

In a span of 5 months, the Cavs’ new owner traded away 5 consecutive first round picks (1982-1986) for a collection of players that history has already forgotten. Once of those picks turned out to be no. 1 overall (James Worthy). The league had to intervene and give the Cavs compensatory picks just to keep them afloat.

[HiAndTight]

They clearly missed on Thon and Vaughn they hit on Wilson, Brogdon, Brown. And they just got incredibly unlucky with Jabari.

 

I think its too early to say they hit on DJ or Sterling. Both contributed very little down the stretch. Wilson had a handful of good games, but thats not enough to say they hit on him. But to criticize all of the picks wasn't really my entire point. My only point is for the draft only its more important to resign as much as they can from last year. I'm happy with the move, but the savings from this year isn't going to really help resign anyone.

 

Overall, I hope Horst will learn from Hammond's mistake and when you trade for someone who hasn't done much in Chicago, has a big final 25 games of the season after the trade in a free agent year, it rarely works to sign him to a big extension.

 

 

Well, that's part of the problem with going back just 5 years. It takes a while to figure out if you hit or miss on anyway. I'm not a big Brown fan myself, but we'll see.

 

You're right about needing to clear salary cap room in order to sign our own players now, but we didn't clear much from this year and while everyone else is going to have young players cycling in, we're not even going to have a chance to hit on some picks.

 

But the choice between attaching a 1st to be able to re-sign Middleton and Brogdon, I'm on board with that.

[LouisEly]

Herro spurns Wisconsin, goes to Kentucky, and gets drafted #13 overall and will be making a couple million dollars a year living in Miami.

 

I think his decisions have worked out for him.

[HiAndTight]

Herro spurns Wisconsin, goes to Kentucky, and gets drafted #13 overall and will be making a couple million dollars a year living in Miami.

 

I think his decisions have worked out for him.

 

 

Remember before the season the posts about him on here? How he wasn't an NBA prospect, he'd end up riding the bench for Kentucky? I think those were largely UW fans who felt slighted, but there were quite a few of them.

 

Wish he'd have gone to UW, but he obviously made the right decision.

[patrickgpe]

Well my top 3 for the Bucks (windler, Jerome, and Johnson never made it to 30

 

I’ll predict the bucks will buy a pick late in the 2nd and take Amir Hinton.

[OnTheBlack]

Well my top 3 for the Bucks (windler, Jerome, and Johnson never made it to 30

 

I’ll predict the bucks will buy a pick late in the 2nd and take Amir Hinton.

 

Yeah, but if you'd have thought Bol Bol, Kevin Porter and a few others would still be there, would your top 3 have been different?

 

I'll predict they won't buy a pick, but I'm hoping you're right, especially if they think Hinton could be as good as some suggested.

[homer]

Good for Herro but I think Miami reached with that pick.

[patrickgpe]

I would have liked Kevin Porter at 30

[OnTheBlack]

Well my top 3 for the Bucks (windler, Jerome, and Johnson never made it to 30

 

I’ll predict the bucks will buy a pick late in the 2nd and take Amir Hinton.

 

 

Neither Porter nor Hinton have been selected. How hard would it be to sell either on coming to Milwaukee? Porter is a perfect fit, he just needs to get healthy and work on his body. Both are easier said than done, but he has big time NBA talent.

 

I only saw what you posted about Hinton, but that was pretty damn high praise and the Bucks having worked him out would feel like favorites.

 

They have one slot open for a 2 way player...so who do you give it to? Chances are neither move the needle in 3-4 years, but you have to try to find talent anywhere you can.

 

Will throw in one more option, Naz Reid, a 6'10 255 big from LSU who was part of the whole recruiting scandal. Again, great passer, soft hands, potential to be a good stretch 4/5. Apparently struggled under the stress from the whole investigation.

 

Not exactly Ja Morant types, but guys who could become rotation players. Guys who could come in and defend or at least get a hand in someone like Gasol's face. Reid has a 7'5 wingspan. Big body.

 

I think I'm a bit paranoid because Giannis is SO special and so talented, the worst case scenario is he ends up in a situation like LeBron was in both times at the end in Cleveland. I'm hoping with Coach Bud we can follow the Spurs model a bit better.

[OnTheBlack]

I would have liked Kevin Porter at 30

 

 

I figured you'd have been a fan of Porter had there been any clue he'd fall to 30. Bol Bol seems like too much of a longshot to ever have a sustained NBA career, but not a bad get in the middle of the 2nd round.

[patrickgpe]

Well maybe they can get Hinton on a 2 way contract since he was not selected tonight.

 

Seems to me bol is another maker so I’m glad they didn’t go there. Bottom line if they can resign Middleton and Brogdon, I’m happy how things turned out. If they get Lopez too I’m ecstatic

[OnTheBlack]

Well maybe they can get Hinton on a 2 way contract since he was not selected tonight.

 

Seems to me bol is another maker so I’m glad they didn’t go there. Bottom line if they can resign Middleton and Brogdon, I’m happy how things turned out. If they get Lopez too I’m ecstatic

 

 

With Snell gone, if they renounce Mirotic, they could sign Lopez to a pretty healthy contract given the low holds on Brogdon and relatively low hold on Middleton+not having a 1st round pick. They could be 20 million below the cap technically and as such, sign Lopez pretty easily. The perfect off-season for the Bucks would be Lopez 3 years 27 million using cap space, Beverly/Hill/Rubio/Rondo in that order on a full MLE, Middleton signed to the 5 year deal they're apparently close on(maybe even have already agreed to) and then you have Brogdon. Maybe you try to beat other teams to the punch and try to sign him for...lets say 4/50? I think he could get 60 on the open market, but he's a prefect fit here.

 

I don't think Bol would have been Maker other than just both being tall and skinny, but I'd have been willing to risk that IF they hadn't traded the pick.

 

The two ways, they could do two if they got rid of Colson, so I'd really like to see them go with Hinton if they really think that highly of him and then a big who has shooting potential and still the potential to be a rim protector. Again, so few 2nd round picks end up ever doing anything so even fewer UDFA's are likely to, but I'd at least like to take that shot.

[OnTheBlack]

Naz Reid (LSU, F/C, Freshman)

 

LSU big man Naz Reid is a member of the Minnesota Timberwolves after agreeing to a two-way contract, per Charania.

 

The 6'10", 240-pound Reid averaged 13.6 points and 7.2 rebounds per game. The big man also showcased his range, hitting 33.3 percent of his three-pointers.

 

I really hope the Bucks have their eyes on someone. I realize my own ignorance, so I'm not upset they didn't sign a guy that I'd just read about and thought would be a good fit, but player development is going to be huge for the Bucks. Several of the guys listed as the best available have already signed two way deals.

 

Just give me someone so that I can read the strengths portion of their profile, ignore the weaknesses part and dream about Bucks! C'mon!

[Mr Southpaw]

Daulton Hommes...he can shoot, don't know if it translates.

 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=daulton+hommes%2c+point+loma&view=detail&mid=044D01A3CADB7EE1F79E044D01A3CADB7EE1F79E&FORM=VIRE

 

https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/11/30/plnus-daulton-hommes-is-on-the-rise-as-an-nba-prospect/

 

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Daulton-Hommes/Summary/99515

[HiAndTight]

Daulton Hommes...he can shoot, don't know if it translates.

 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=daulton+hommes%2c+point+loma&view=detail&mid=044D01A3CADB7EE1F79E044D01A3CADB7EE1F79E&FORM=VIRE

 

https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/11/30/plnus-daulton-hommes-is-on-the-rise-as-an-nba-prospect/

 

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Daulton-Hommes/Summary/99515

 

 

Huh...they sign a D-2 player and it's not Hinton. Having zero knowledge of him beyond the three links you posted, I guess a guy that's hitting 3's at that rate is always reason for optimism. Maybe he becomes a Korver type player. Still holding out hope there is anohter signing or two to come.