NBA Draft Thread

[HiAndTight]

Certainly an FVV type would make sense. Mo Williams was originally a 2nd-round pick. Seems you can get guys like that. I can't really object to the Bucks drafting for need considering they're a contender, and sometimes you see little guys develop faster. It's not like a 7-footer who's still gaining body control or filling out.

 

 

FVV, Hart...but are there any out there this year? There's the PG from Purdue, Carsen Edwards. Didn't stand out in the couple games I saw parts of Purdue play. He can shoot the 3, but he looks like primarily a scorer.

[homer]

Re: Dawkins

 

I agree that the Bucks need high floor guys.

[HiAndTight]

Re: Dawkins

 

I agree that the Bucks need high floor guys.

 

 

Horst has apparently said he's focused on passing ability, shooting, and defense.

 

That all sounds pretty obvious, but those are skills, not just pure ability as much. I read it as he's looking for an established player, not another long shot like Thon.

That may rule out my suggestion of Porter. He's very talented, very high ceiling, but coming off a torn ACL and sitting for a whole year could very well hurt his chances to end up in Milwaukee.

[tmwiese55]

Certainly an FVV type would make sense. Mo Williams was originally a 2nd-round pick. Seems you can get guys like that. I can't really object to the Bucks drafting for need considering they're a contender, and sometimes you see little guys develop faster. It's not like a 7-footer who's still gaining body control or filling out.

 

 

FVV, Hart...but are there any out there this year? There's the PG from Purdue, Carsen Edwards. Didn't stand out in the couple games I saw parts of Purdue play. He can shoot the 3, but he looks like primarily a scorer.

 

Just say Edwards on a list now and he should be available around our pick. I actually think he'd be a good gamble on, projects to me like a solid backup PG option. Tough to expect him to be a starter due to his height. And yes he is probably jmore scorer than PG, but frankly that's just how the PG is played now anyway. It's not the Bob Cousy position anymore to just distribute, you need guys who can create off ball screens and hit shots. His shooting is there and could see a very FVV like career for him. Similar size and everything. His teams have done nothing but win at Purdue so I wouldn't call him a chucker. Actually think he's a great fit here especially if they lose Hill.

[HiAndTight]

Certainly an FVV type would make sense. Mo Williams was originally a 2nd-round pick. Seems you can get guys like that. I can't really object to the Bucks drafting for need considering they're a contender, and sometimes you see little guys develop faster. It's not like a 7-footer who's still gaining body control or filling out.

 

 

FVV, Hart...but are there any out there this year? There's the PG from Purdue, Carsen Edwards. Didn't stand out in the couple games I saw parts of Purdue play. He can shoot the 3, but he looks like primarily a scorer.

 

Just say Edwards on a list now and he should be available around our pick. I actually think he'd be a good gamble on, projects to me like a solid backup PG option. Tough to expect him to be a starter due to his height. And yes he is probably jmore scorer than PG, but frankly that's just how the PG is played now anyway. It's not the Bob Cousy position anymore to just distribute, you need guys who can create off ball screens and hit shots. His shooting is there and could see a very FVV like career for him. Similar size and everything. His teams have done nothing but win at Purdue so I wouldn't call him a chucker. Actually think he's a great fit here especially if they lose Hill.

 

It's not played that way as much anymore because there are few guys who are good at it. But that's still definitely the preference. Guys like Kidd and Nash early in their careers, before they could shoot(or Ball right now) are still in demand.

 

But with the more positionless Basketball being played, I agree, we don't need a PG per say who can run the offense and move the ball, but we need better passing in the half court as a team. That was one of Horsts priorities going into the draft.

 

You just look at Houston, watching one of the greatest Point Guards going to waste, even in his mid 30's...and I'm not even saying they should change all that much, it's just Paul is such an awful fit for them and a perfect fit for us, it's too bad he's making 40 million a year, or I'd take Houston up on their offer to make anyone on that roster available.

[HiAndTight]

Certainly an FVV type would make sense. Mo Williams was originally a 2nd-round pick. Seems you can get guys like that. I can't really object to the Bucks drafting for need considering they're a contender, and sometimes you see little guys develop faster. It's not like a 7-footer who's still gaining body control or filling out.

 

 

FVV, Hart...but are there any out there this year? There's the PG from Purdue, Carsen Edwards. Didn't stand out in the couple games I saw parts of Purdue play. He can shoot the 3, but he looks like primarily a scorer.

 

Just say Edwards on a list now and he should be available around our pick. I actually think he'd be a good gamble on, projects to me like a solid backup PG option. Tough to expect him to be a starter due to his height. And yes he is probably jmore scorer than PG, but frankly that's just how the PG is played now anyway. It's not the Bob Cousy position anymore to just distribute, you need guys who can create off ball screens and hit shots. His shooting is there and could see a very FVV like career for him. Similar size and everything. His teams have done nothing but win at Purdue so I wouldn't call him a chucker. Actually think he's a great fit here especially if they lose Hill.

 

 

Edit-Double Post.

[patrickgpe]

So I did look over every mock draft I could find over the weekend and based on who I think will be still avaleable my top choice is Dylan Windler.

[OnTheBlack]

So I did look over every mock draft I could find over the weekend and based on who I think will be still avaleable my top choice is Dylan Windler.

 

 

I'm gonna guess Luka Samanic. I've seen him a pick or 3 ahead of the Bucks, to the Bucks and a few picks into the 2nd round, but he's pretty consistent.

 

Drafting the way I'd like, best available stretch 4/5 or ball handler probably won't be the best way to go unless someone falls or you get lucky and someone like Porter really hits his ceiling, you should go for BPA.

 

I have seen Windler before as a potential Bucks pick. There's a lot to like. He strikes me as a Shane Battier type. A bit of a tweener...but with Giannis, that's hardly a problem at Forward. Great shooter, very good rebounder, he's supposed to be pretty athletic and almost led Belmont to a 1st round win in the tourney with 35.

 

Of about 6-8 mocks, not one has the Bucks taking Mizzou's Porter. In fact, I've seen mocks where he's not drafted at all, so maybe we can pick him up as a FA and hope.

 

https://www.nba.com/bucks/bucks-2019-mock-draft-roundup

[patrickgpe]

Interesting, bucks may be shut out on Thursday.

 

https://www.brewhoop.com/2019/6/17/18682484/report-milwaukee-bucks-offering-draft-compensation-to-offload-tony-snell-or-ersan-ilyasova?fbclid=IwAR1hU1meWtAxxT6JvR5z0yZQ19ir6WBvkEg9_3lFMHPyBPuqIpwk-3JzoHk

 

If it helps the bucks sign 2 of Brodgon, Middleton and Lopez. I'm all for it. bucks are in win-now mode.

[nate82]

I believe the Bucks can't trade their 1st round pick this year as they have a pick that will be traded next year.

[patrickgpe]

I believe the Bucks can't trade their 1st round pick this year as they have a pick that will be traded next year.

 

I thought the same thing, same reason why the lakers staggered their picks to the pelicans. not sure what else could trading "draft compensation" though. Most of their picks for the next few drafts have been traded away already.

[tmwiese55]

They would just have to draft someone for the other team and then execute the trade. Semantics, but they can move that pick.

[OnTheBlack]

I believe the Bucks can't trade their 1st round pick this year as they have a pick that will be traded next year.

 

 

They were able to trade it once it became officially theirs. You can't trade a 1st rounder when you owe two future 1sts, but if you own the first for that year, you can trade it. Edit-I don't know that this made sense. Point is, they can trade it. They couldn't trade it before it was officially theirs for this year. It's to protect teams from themselves.

 

But whatever, I don't like the idea of this at all. You NEED young talent. You need building blocks. You need to be able to find Pascal Siakam types(maybe not as good, but young contributors) like the Spurs did to supplement your core. They were among the best at finding serviceable late 1st round picks year after year. IF they do this, they damn sure better buy a 2nd round pick so they can at least try to find a player who can contribute.

 

And Ersan should be an asset. He has a relatively low salary, only one year left on his deal. Absolutely no need to throw in a 1st just to dump him. Only reason I'd be in favor is if we could nab another PG. A vet like Hill, but someone who obviously doesn't cost as much.

[nate82]

I believe the Bucks can't trade their 1st round pick this year as they have a pick that will be traded next year.

 

 

They were able to trade it once it became officially theirs. You can't trade a 1st rounder when you owe two future 1sts, but if you own the first for that year, you can trade it. Edit-I don't know that this made sense. Point is, they can trade it. They couldn't trade it before it was officially theirs for this year. It's to protect teams from themselves.

 

 

That is just overly confusing dang you NBA and your weird rules!

[OnTheBlack]

I believe the Bucks can't trade their 1st round pick this year as they have a pick that will be traded next year.

 

 

They were able to trade it once it became officially theirs. You can't trade a 1st rounder when you owe two future 1sts, but if you own the first for that year, you can trade it. Edit-I don't know that this made sense. Point is, they can trade it. They couldn't trade it before it was officially theirs for this year. It's to protect teams from themselves.

 

 

That is just overly confusing dang you NBA and your weird rules!

 

I think this is a result of Brooklyn who traded away so many 1st rounders when they were chasing a "super" team. It ended up being a super geriatric team with only Joe Johnson who still had a little left, but they traded for Paul Pierce, KG, and then they were awful and they didn't have any 1st round picks to rebuild...and several other guys and in the process gave away their first round picks for years, picks that helped make Boston one of the most asset laden teams in the NBA. It worked to our advantage this year as they had so much redundant talent, they ended up hurting themselves(along with Kyrie having his worst shooting slump of his career). But they have the talent to make just about any trade they want. And then there was already a rule in place where you can't trade consecutive 1st round picks going back to the early 80's with the Cavs.

 

So if I understand correctly, you can't trade more than two first round picks at a time and you can't trade consecutive 1st round picks, the later dating back ~40 years and the prior just a few years...I think.

[patrickgpe]

 

But whatever, I don't like the idea of this at all. You NEED young talent. You need building blocks. You need to be able to find Pascal Siakam types(maybe not as good, but young contributors) like the Spurs did to supplement your core. They were among the best at finding serviceable late 1st round picks year after year. IF they do this, they damn sure better buy a 2nd round pick so they can at least try to find a player who can contribute.

The bucks have gotten minimal contributions from their first round picks since Jabari. They need to sign their free agents. If the bucks were not the eastern conference favorite or atleast co-favorite (depending on if Toronto can sign Kawaii), i'd be against it too. There was a report that the bucks needed to get to the finals for Giannis to resign (who knows if this is legit, but its there) (https://sports.yahoo.com/giannis-antetokounmpo-bucks-contract-free-agent-supermax-050656966.html)

 

if they want to buy a 2nd, I'm OK with that, but I don't think you can expect any contributions from that pick next season.

 

Yes, there are some players that should be around at 30 that I am excited about, but I realize that they need to sign their guys to have a chance to build on what they did last season, because of some stupid free agent decisions that were made.

[tmwiese55]

It goes back way furtehr than that to the early 80s https://www.liveabout.com/what-is-the-ted-stepien-rule-325791 . Also the Clips back then were notorious for trading away their firsts and having it come back to bite them.

 

Essentially you just can't trade them in back to back years. Since MKE has that PHX pick dangling without knowing when it goes they can't trade their picks around it. So they just have to get creative on the timing on things. Also, in regards to the BKN/Bos deal that's whey every other year of the picks were actually "pick swaps" not just the picks.

[coolhandluke121]

I believe the Bucks can't trade their 1st round pick this year as they have a pick that will be traded next year.

 

 

They were able to trade it once it became officially theirs. You can't trade a 1st rounder when you owe two future 1sts, but if you own the first for that year, you can trade it. Edit-I don't know that this made sense. Point is, they can trade it. They couldn't trade it before it was officially theirs for this year. It's to protect teams from themselves.

 

 

That is just overly confusing dang you NBA and your weird rules!

 

You can never make a trade that leaves you at risk of being without a first-round pick (yours or anyone else's) in two consecutive future drafts. If they make the trade official during the draft, it's not longer a future draft.

 

The NBA is exceedingly complex because of how hard they try to manipulate outcomes. They should just have a hard cap and be done with it. It helps to understand why certain rules exist. An owner who's going to be dead in 5 years doesn't care about future drafts and will submarine the franchise for decades if allowed to.

[patrickgpe]

I don't like the NBA commish telling owners how to run their businesses. If a team wants to trade their 1st round pick every year, what is it to Silver or Stearns or whomever. I wish MLB was more open to trading picks too. The NFL has it right.

 

Agreed on the hard cap, but obviously the players union would NEVER agree to that.

[coolhandluke121]

I don't like the NBA commish telling owners how to run their businesses. If a team wants to trade their 1st round pick every year, what is it to Silver or Stearns or whomever. I wish MLB was more open to trading picks too. The NFL has it right.

 

Agreed on the hard cap, but obviously the players union would NEVER agree to that.

 

Can you imagine how many picks Herb Kohl would have traded away if he were allowed to? It sends a shiver down my spine. It's important for the health of the league that owners aren't allowed to mortgage the future indefinitely.

[tmwiese55]

It's about competitive balance for the league. Same would apply as to why their is a Max salary and why they reduced the years to 4-5 instead of 7. Protecting owners from themselves for the betterment of the league.

[OnTheBlack]

 

But whatever, I don't like the idea of this at all. You NEED young talent. You need building blocks. You need to be able to find Pascal Siakam types(maybe not as good, but young contributors) like the Spurs did to supplement your core. They were among the best at finding serviceable late 1st round picks year after year. IF they do this, they damn sure better buy a 2nd round pick so they can at least try to find a player who can contribute.

The bucks have gotten minimal contributions from their first round picks since Jabari. They need to sign their free agents. If the bucks were not the eastern conference favorite or atleast co-favorite (depending on if Toronto can sign Kawaii), i'd be against it too. There was a report that the bucks needed to get to the finals for Giannis to resign (who knows if this is legit, but its there) (https://sports.yahoo.com/giannis-antetokounmpo-bucks-contract-free-agent-supermax-050656966.html)

 

if they want to buy a 2nd, I'm OK with that, but I don't think you can expect any contributions from that pick next season.

 

Yes, there are some players that should be around at 30 that I am excited about, but I realize that they need to sign their guys to have a chance to build on what they did last season, because of some stupid free agent decisions that were made.

 

1st-Jabari wasn't that long ago. So that isn't really that telling. We have DJ Wilson who looks like he'll contribute, we missed on Vaughn and we have DDV who people are talking about being one of the main guys to fill in for Middleton. But what they've done in the past few years with 1st round picks isn't really the point. I don't think you give up on drafting and developing players because you've struggled with it(and again, I don't really think they've struggled that badly as your statement could be very different 9 months from now if Wilson and DDV are key contributors).

 

2nd-I saw that report on Giannis. I think everyone saw that. That women Malika Andrews or whatever asked Giannis a question and he got up and walked out. It was totally, 100 pct speculative and had zero quotes from Giannis.

 

But what I think we all know is that he's not going to stick around if the Bucks aren't competitive. The Bucks have traded...what a half dozen future picks if not more already? They have very little opportunity to add talent over the next 4-5 years. Throwing this chance away just to get rid of a key player(Ersan) and an expiring contract would be foolish. It'd be different if it was Snell and someone who could help us this year, but definitely not Ersan and a 1st just for the right to get rid of the last year of his expiring deal.

[OnTheBlack]

It goes back way furtehr than that to the early 80s https://www.liveabout.com/what-is-the-ted-stepien-rule-325791 . Also the Clips back then were notorious for trading away their firsts and having it come back to bite them.

 

Essentially you just can't trade them in back to back years. Since MKE has that PHX pick dangling without knowing when it goes they can't trade their picks around it. So they just have to get creative on the timing on things. Also, in regards to the BKN/Bos deal that's whey every other year of the picks were actually "pick swaps" not just the picks.

 

 

That's what I said. It went back to the Cavs from the early 80's. It's named after their Owner I believe. I thought they'd altered the rules in recent years.

[OnTheBlack]

I don't like the NBA commish telling owners how to run their businesses. If a team wants to trade their 1st round pick every year, what is it to Silver or Stearns or whomever. I wish MLB was more open to trading picks too. The NFL has it right.

 

Agreed on the hard cap, but obviously the players union would NEVER agree to that.

 

Can you imagine how many picks Herb Kohl would have traded away if he were allowed to? It sends a shiver down my spine. It's important for the health of the league that owners aren't allowed to mortgage the future indefinitely.

 

 

Probably far less than this current group has or would.

 

That seems like an odd dig at Kohl. He was more responsible for pushing the team to go out and get a past his prime star to get the team to a potential 8 seed, not so much for mortgaging the teams future.

[patrickgpe]

 

1st-Jabari wasn't that long ago. So that isn't really that telling. We have DJ Wilson who looks like he'll contribute, we missed on Vaughn and we have DDV who people are talking about being one of the main guys to fill in for Middleton. But what they've done in the past few years with 1st round picks isn't really the point. I don't think you give up on drafting and developing players because you've struggled with it(and again, I don't really think they've struggled that badly as your statement could be very different 9 months from now if Wilson and DDV are key contributors).

yes, Jabari was the 2nd pick in the draft that they got a full season and 2 half seasons from. not exactly what you would expect from 2nd overall and that was 5 years ago.

 

Wilson will contribute, and DDV didn't get much of a rookie year, but I think on June 19th, you can say they struggled on 1st round picks. Yes you need to develop players in Milwaukee, especially since you will not be getting top free agents to come here, my only point was in this offseason, its more important to resign your guys rather than get the 30th pick in the draft.