Keston Hiura called up, Shaw optioned

[Jopal78]

I think it’s harder to get Shaw back on the 25 man roster than it is to get him at bats. Surely Counsell can get regular at bats for Aguilar, Shaw, Hiura and Moustakas. They need someone on the roster that can play short stop besides Arcia and that is Saladino.

[brewerfan82]

Swapping Saladino for Spangenberg is certainly fine by me, but Shaw is the bat we've got to try to work back in eventually. (Not at Hiura's expense of course). We've seen with Saladino how much a journeyman raking in San Antonio means.

 

Spangenberg has very limited time at SS. MLB = 1 inning. Minors = 8 games. He certainly isn't a starting SS.

That's fine, he just needs to be a backup SS. If Arcia gets hurt, you bring someone up (or acquire someone) that's more comfortable taking the majority of the starts there. You're right though, maybe he can't hack it as a SS, but they've used him there in the minors this year and the major league team hasn't shied away from trying guys out at positions they have limited/no experience at the past couple years (Moose/Shaw at 2B, Braun at 1B, Aguilar at 3B, Perez at RP, jk). So I definitely wouldn't rule it out.

[JohnBriggs12]

Spangenberg isn't a starting SS, but he can be used there when you have a strikeout or flyball pitcher starting. How many groundball chances does the Brewer SS get when Woodruff or even Anderson is starting? One? Two? If Arcia gets hurt, that's a different question, but for an occasional start, PH duty? Spangenberg has earned a spot. Either that or DFA Saladino and bring back Perez.

[endaround]

I think it’s harder to get Shaw back on the 25 man roster than it is to get him at bats. Surely Counsell can get regular at bats for Aguilar, Shaw, Hiura and Moustakas. They need someone on the roster that can play short stop besides Arcia and that is Saladino.

 

Not really. Get rid of Saladino and bring back Perez (or trade a PTBNL for Sogard if you are so inclined), and option down Gamel. Have Thames share time with Braun in the OF and have Shaw/Moustakas share time at 1B and 3B with Perez/Sogard being the utility INF and 5th OFer.

[pacopete4]

Neither Thames, nor Braun should be sharing time anywhere.

[PeaveyFury]

I think it’s harder to get Shaw back on the 25 man roster than it is to get him at bats. Surely Counsell can get regular at bats for Aguilar, Shaw, Hiura and Moustakas. They need someone on the roster that can play short stop besides Arcia and that is Saladino.

 

Not really. Get rid of Saladino and bring back Perez (or trade a PTBNL for Sogard if you are so inclined), and option down Gamel. Have Thames share time with Braun in the OF and have Shaw/Moustakas share time at 1B and 3B with Perez/Sogard being the utility INF and 5th OFer.

 

Well, I suppose it isn't hard then if you're willing to ignore defense and defensive runs saved/allowed.

[pacopete4]

Holy hell, I didn’t even see the option Gamel part.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Plus Ben Gamel has been a perfect fit for his role this year. Absolutely no reason to send him down, and I don't expect the Brewers to even consider it, barring something unforeseen.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Holy hell, I didn’t even see the option Gamel part.

 

This grass is always greener junk is getting pretty far fetched.

[pacopete4]

Holy hell, I didn’t even see the option Gamel part.

 

This grass is always greener junk is getting pretty far fetched.

 

He’s been great for the Brewers. I don’t think his numbers reflect what he could be if he played more. But either way he has been just about the best bench player we could ask for. Change for change sake. It’s infected the minds of some (more than others).

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I don't trust any of those huge offensive numbers these AAAA guys are putting up in San Antonio. I mean, it's good to see Shaw hitting better, but its hard to trust those considering most of their other previously junk MLB hitters are tearing the cover off the ball down there.

[Brew crew 92]

I don't trust any of those huge offensive numbers these AAAA guys are putting up in San Antonio. I mean, it's good to see Shaw hitting better, but its hard to trust those considering most of their other previously junk MLB hitters are tearing the cover off the ball down there.

 

AAA#’s

 

Salad > .288 .375

Spang > .317 .385

 

Freitas > .361 .442

Grisham > .353 .426

 

Didn’t show home runs and ops because of the juiced ball.

 

Huge difference statistically between the 2 sets of players. Grisham and Freitas also don’t K and walk a lot.

 

Freitas had about as many ab’s last year in his mlb trial with Seattle when he hit .221 as Pina has this year hitting under .200. And this is Freitas’s second AAA year in a row raking. He’s obviously found his hitting stroke, aka Max Muncy, and I’m assuming will be our starting catcher next year. Good job unearthing this guy by our GM.

[homer]

I don't trust any of those huge offensive numbers these AAAA guys are putting up in San Antonio. I mean, it's good to see Shaw hitting better, but its hard to trust those considering most of their other previously junk MLB hitters are tearing the cover off the ball down there.

 

AAA#’s

 

Salad > .288 .375

Spang > .317 .385

 

Freitas > .361 .442

Grisham > .353 .426

 

Didn’t show home runs and ops because of the juiced ball.

 

Huge difference statistically between the 2 sets of players. Grisham and Freitas also don’t K and walk a lot.

 

Freitas had about as many ab’s last year in his mlb trial with Seattle when he hit .221 as Pina has this year hitting under .200. And this is Freitas’s second AAA year in a row raking. He’s obviously found his hitting stroke, aka Max Muncy, and I’m assuming will be our starting catcher next year. Good job unearthing this guy by our GM.

 

It's a huge difference that could be a tiny difference in the span of a week's worth of games.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I don't trust any of those huge offensive numbers these AAAA guys are putting up in San Antonio. I mean, it's good to see Shaw hitting better, but its hard to trust those considering most of their other previously junk MLB hitters are tearing the cover off the ball down there.

 

AAA#’s

 

Salad > .288 .375

Spang > .317 .385

 

Freitas > .361 .442

Grisham > .353 .426

 

Didn’t show home runs and ops because of the juiced ball.

 

Huge difference statistically between the 2 sets of players. Grisham and Freitas also don’t K and walk a lot.

 

Freitas had about as many ab’s last year in his mlb trial with Seattle when he hit .221 as Pina has this year hitting under .200. And this is Freitas’s second AAA year in a row raking. He’s obviously found his hitting stroke, aka Max Muncy, and I’m assuming will be our starting catcher next year. Good job unearthing this guy by our GM.

 

Freitas is the definition of proving my point. Could have have found something and be a upper end offensive MLB catcher? I suppose it's possible, but sure as heck isn't likely. I would assume that if Grandal isn't resigned, both Pina and Nottingham would remain ahead of Freitas on the depth chart, just as they are now.

[Brew crew 92]

I don't trust any of those huge offensive numbers these AAAA guys are putting up in San Antonio. I mean, it's good to see Shaw hitting better, but its hard to trust those considering most of their other previously junk MLB hitters are tearing the cover off the ball down there.

 

AAA#’s

 

Salad > .288 .375

Spang > .317 .385

 

Freitas > .361 .442

Grisham > .353 .426

 

Didn’t show home runs and ops because of the juiced ball.

 

Huge difference statistically between the 2 sets of players. Grisham and Freitas also don’t K and walk a lot.

 

Freitas had about as many ab’s last year in his mlb trial with Seattle when he hit .221 as Pina has this year hitting under .200. And this is Freitas’s second AAA year in a row raking. He’s obviously found his hitting stroke, aka Max Muncy, and I’m assuming will be our starting catcher next year. Good job unearthing this guy by our GM.

 

Freitas is the definition of proving my point. Could have have found something and be a upper end offensive MLB catcher? I suppose it's possible, but sure as heck isn't likely. I would assume that if Grandal isn't resigned, both Pina and Nottingham would remain ahead of Freitas on the depth chart, just as they are now.

 

How does Freitas prove your point?

His AAA stats the last 2 years, PCL inflated notwithstanding, are way way way higher than virtually every player in the league and on par with Hiura Grisham and a couple other stud prospects. There’s a reason Stearns traded for him. I believe it was to see if he could duplicate his offensive success that he had last year in AAA, and he has. But let’s just continue to lump all AAAA players together, every one of em, and ignore stats that actually separate Freitas from the AAAA pack.

 

Forget Max Muncy, remember Garrett Cooper?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Like I said ... perhaps he found something. It's more likely that he didn't. There are just too many guys on that San Antonio team hitting well for me to take any of those stats seriously. There is a huge difference between Frietas and Hiura and even Grisham. There is more to the story than AAA stats. I think Frietas is a nice depth piece to have, but that's really it. He's a 31-year old career minor leaguer.

[stoutdude04]

I dont put much value into any AAA numbers. Especially ones by guys repeating a level in a high offensive environment.

[Outlander]

Gamel is probably the most overrated player on this team, far from great. Okay as a reserve, but he isn't likely getting better with more playing time like some suggest.

[pacopete4]

You’re right. Crazy to think someone’s batting average might improve with regular at bats. Nuts, I tell ya...

[jjfanec]

Gamel is probably the most overrated player on this team, far from great. Okay as a reserve, but he isn't likely getting better with more playing time like some suggest.

 

How can someone who is viewed by most as a really solid 4th outfielder who can start a few games a week be overrated? No one is aiming he should start every day although it is very likely he would get better if he played more consistently. That is just reality.

[phnxcrew]

Gamel is probably the most overrated player on this team, far from great. Okay as a reserve, but he isn't likely getting better with more playing time like some suggest.

 

How can someone who is viewed by most as a really solid 4th outfielder who can start a few games a week be overrated? No one is aiming he should start every day although it is very likely he would get better if he played more consistently. That is just reality.

 

If you had one out and a runner on third in a tie playoff game-Gamel is literally the perfect player for that. He's a professional hitter and he's great in the field. But hey, let's bring up random guy who's sucked his whole life from Rookie ball because Gamel doesn't swing with his eyes closed like the rest of the team! The option Gamel movement is probably the most ridiculous idea I've seen outside of the talk of trading Yelich/ Woodruff now to maximize return. lol

[Brew crew 92]

Gamel is probably the most overrated player on this team, far from great. Okay as a reserve, but he isn't likely getting better with more playing time like some suggest.

 

How can someone who is viewed by most as a really solid 4th outfielder who can start a few games a week be overrated? No one is aiming he should start every day although it is very likely he would get better if he played more consistently. That is just reality.

 

If you had one out and a runner on third in a tie playoff game-Gamel is literally the perfect player for that. He's a professional hitter and he's great in the field. But hey, let's bring up random guy who's sucked his whole life from Rookie ball because Gamel doesn't swing with his eyes closed like the rest of the team! The option Gamel movement is probably the most ridiculous idea I've seen outside of the talk of trading Yelich/ Woodruff now to maximize return. lol

 

Random guy who’s sucked his whole life from rookie ball? Huh?

[wntrtxn21]

I don't trust any of those huge offensive numbers these AAAA guys are putting up in San Antonio. I mean, it's good to see Shaw hitting better, but its hard to trust those considering most of their other previously junk MLB hitters are tearing the cover off the ball down there.

 

AAA#’s

 

Salad > .288 .375

Spang > .317 .385

 

Freitas > .361 .442

Grisham > .353 .426

 

Didn’t show home runs and ops because of the juiced ball.

 

Huge difference statistically between the 2 sets of players. Grisham and Freitas also don’t K and walk a lot.

 

Freitas had about as many ab’s last year in his mlb trial with Seattle when he hit .221 as Pina has this year hitting under .200. And this is Freitas’s second AAA year in a row raking. He’s obviously found his hitting stroke, aka Max Muncy, and I’m assuming will be our starting catcher next year. Good job unearthing this guy by our GM.

 

Freitas will be 31 next year. How many career minor league catchers in their 30's suddenly do better in the big leagues?

[Brew crew 92]

I don't trust any of those huge offensive numbers these AAAA guys are putting up in San Antonio. I mean, it's good to see Shaw hitting better, but its hard to trust those considering most of their other previously junk MLB hitters are tearing the cover off the ball down there.

 

AAA#’s

 

Salad > .288 .375

Spang > .317 .385

 

Freitas > .361 .442

Grisham > .353 .426

 

Didn’t show home runs and ops because of the juiced ball.

 

Huge difference statistically between the 2 sets of players. Grisham and Freitas also don’t K and walk a lot.

 

Freitas had about as many ab’s last year in his mlb trial with Seattle when he hit .221 as Pina has this year hitting under .200. And this is Freitas’s second AAA year in a row raking. He’s obviously found his hitting stroke, aka Max Muncy, and I’m assuming will be our starting catcher next year. Good job unearthing this guy by our GM.

 

Freitas will be 31 next year. How many career minor league catchers in their 30's suddenly do better in the big leagues?

 

Pina

[MrTPlush]

Freitas will be 31 next year. How many career minor league catchers in their 30's suddenly do better in the big leagues?

 

Pina

 

How good is Freitas defensively? I wouldn't really mind if they gave him a chance next year by making him the back-up and letting Pina walk (or sign Pina to a MiLB deal). Don't think I would gamble on Freitas starting though...or even a Pina/Freitas combo as that could be a disaster offensively.

 

If he has good defense he could certainly start out backing up and either earn a starting gig by performance or inevitable injury.