Keston Hiura called up, Shaw optioned

[OldHeidelberg]

maybe but by the time he gets to near Super 2 status everyone will have forgotten that he was sent back down for another three weeks

 

Not me, I am like an elephant.

 

It could prove to be the right move if the brewers still make the playoffs or fall far short. But as of now the decision looks pretty bad, I think they gambled with the weak schedule and got burned.

Careful, this comes dangerously close to suggesting that Hiura all by himself keeps the Brewers from suffering this tough stretch and I've been assured by those who know better that nobody thinks that.

 

You got THAT out of my post? Geezuz I said I think it was a bad decision to send him down and I guess that is like saying he is the next Fred Lynn.

[SeaBass]

Not me, I am like an elephant.

 

It could prove to be the right move if the brewers still make the playoffs or fall far short. But as of now the decision looks pretty bad, I think they gambled with the weak schedule and got burned.

Careful, this comes dangerously close to suggesting that Hiura all by himself keeps the Brewers from suffering this tough stretch and I've been assured by those who know better that nobody thinks that.

 

You got THAT out of my post? Geezuz I said I think it was a bad decision to send him down and I guess that is like saying he is the next Fred Lynn.

Depends what your definition of "far short" of the playoffs is. But you're clearly saying that decision might keep them from making the playoffs. I'd give 1 or 2 games in that scenario but not much more.

 

And my point about fans expecting him to play at an MVP level means having to be so good he does make that kind of a difference in such a short timeframe. To swing around 3 to 5 games from losses to wins. It sounds ridiculous to me just typing that out.

 

Is my logic that flawed that that's how I view these types of comments?

[OldHeidelberg]

Depends what your definition of "far short" of the playoffs is. But you're clearly saying that decision might keep them from making the playoffs. I'd give 1 or 2 games in that scenario but not much more.

 

And my point about fans expecting him to play at an MVP level means having to be so good he does make that kind of a difference in such a short timeframe. To swing around 3 to 5 games from losses to wins. It sounds ridiculous to me just typing that out.

 

Is my logic that flawed that that's how I view these types of comments?

 

What I meant by far short was that the team ends up so crappy that Hiura being up those 3 weeks won't matter anyway, I didn't have any specific number in mind. But yeah if Hiura kept doing what he was doing, and he sort of did albeit in AAA, I think it could have meant a couple of games and that matters and might keep them from the playoffs. You may disagree with this but there is little doubt to me that he would not have been sent down and would have made most of those starts if Super 2 were not in play. What would have happened we can't know of course but my post was about whether the Brewers were right to send him down, that money could be a big deal a few years from now.

 

Yes, if mine was a typical comment that has been bothering you I think you are probably reading a little too much into them. Am I really excited about this kids bat and maybe even have a little too high expectations of him? Of course. I am a Brewer fan, it's what I do.

[JackNicholson1974]

Can Shaw refuse to be optioned? Haudricourt sent out a tweet hinting at as much.

[SeaBass]

Depends what your definition of "far short" of the playoffs is. But you're clearly saying that decision might keep them from making the playoffs. I'd give 1 or 2 games in that scenario but not much more.

 

And my point about fans expecting him to play at an MVP level means having to be so good he does make that kind of a difference in such a short timeframe. To swing around 3 to 5 games from losses to wins. It sounds ridiculous to me just typing that out.

 

Is my logic that flawed that that's how I view these types of comments?

 

What I meant by far short was that the team ends up so crappy that Hiura being up those 3 weeks won't matter anyway, I didn't have any specific number in mind. But yeah if Hiura kept doing what he was doing, and he sort of did albeit in AAA, I think it could have meant a couple of games and that matters and might keep them from the playoffs. You may disagree with this but there is little doubt to me that he would not have been sent down and would have made most of those starts if Super 2 were not in play. What would have happened we can't know of course but my post was about whether the Brewers were right to send him down, that money could be a big deal a few years from now.

 

Yes, if mine was a typical comment that has been bothering you I think you are probably reading a little too much into them. Am I really excited about this kids bat and maybe even have a little too high expectations of him? Of course. I am a Brewer fan, it's what I do.

That's fair, I'm not against rational thinking. I wouldn't have sent him down had it been up to me, super 2 wasn't a good enough reason. Compounded with what appeared to be Hiura's bat starting to get hot right around then too. He could have made a difference in a couple of games. I did think the team was going to be fine without him though, the schedule seemed to be in the Brewers favor, maybe that messed with some players heads and they relaxed. Things went south quickly.

[Lathund]

Can Shaw refuse to be optioned? Haudricourt sent out a tweet hinting at as much.

 

Was it this tweet?

 

 

Could be interpreted as either "Had to accept in order to be optioned", or "Couldn't turn down being optioned". But to answer the question, players can refuse to be optioned when they have more than 5 years of service time, Shaw is right around 4 years. International free agents (Including Eric Thames) will sometimes have a provision in their contract that says they can't be optioned even if they have less than 5 years of service time.

[PeaveyFury]

Yeah, it's Tom's wording there creating the confusion. He meant 'couldn't turn down being optioned,' as Lathund noted.

[wildcat83]

Where is Shaw going to play in SA? Not ideal to have him and Erceg splitting time.

[trwi7]

Where is Shaw going to play in SA? Not ideal to have him and Erceg splitting time.

 

Erceg hasn't hit since he was in A ball and even then it wasn't that great for a college player. Erceg should have no bearing on any decision they make with Shaw.

[Lathund]

They also don't really have a first baseman in SA. Nottingham, Freitas, Hager, Saladino (And probably others I've missed) have played there in boxscores I've seen. So some DH, some 1B, some 3B, some 2B. It won't be an issue.

[TigerUppercut]

Where is Shaw going to play in SA? Not ideal to have him and Erceg splitting time.

 

Erceg hasn't hit since he was in A ball and even then it wasn't that great for a college player. Erceg should have no bearing on any decision they make with Shaw.

 

Thank you, Jesus. Someone sees the big picture here.

[JackNicholson1974]

yeah that tweet was super confusing because Tom made it sound like Shaw and the ability to become a FA or something. Technically, every player has to "accept" being optioned - but their alternative would be just quitting baseball I presume.

[timpep]

I know Keston isn't helping the pitching, but last night could have very easily ended up a 6-5 loss instead of an 8-6 win. I hope Shaw gets it going but I'm glad the move was made.

[Thurston Fluff]

I know Keston isn't helping the pitching, but last night could have very easily ended up a 6-5 loss instead of an 8-6 win. I hope Shaw gets it going but I'm glad the move was made.

 

Shaw hit a monster home run in a game that could have easily been the difference in a single game as well. It was the right move but that sort of could have beens can be played every game with ever player.

[timpep]

I know Keston isn't helping the pitching, but last night could have very easily ended up a 6-5 loss instead of an 8-6 win. I hope Shaw gets it going but I'm glad the move was made.

 

Shaw hit a monster home run in a game that could have easily been the difference in a single game as well. It was the right move but that sort of could have beens can be played every game with ever player.

 

I agree, you can do it with every game. I like to look at game logs all the time and play the what if game. It's a fun thought experiment.

 

I'm sure Shaw absolutely could have had a multi hit game including a home run yesterday. However, since Hiura has been up he's done it in 1/3 of his games, which leads me to believe he probably gave them a better chance to win last night than Shaw did.

 

The point I was trying to make, is that it's nice to win the type of game that had been burying us over the last month.

 

edit - 1/3 of his game have been multi hit, not multi hit with a home run, he's only done that about 1/5 of the time

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I recall saying that Hiura is the best RH bat in the organization which take however you want, (as an indictment of how subpar the team's RH bats are or as indicator of how good Hiura is) it's a fair opinion to hold.

 

I also said that Hiura will be the team's 2nd best bat for the remainder of whatever season they decide to keep him up permanently. And hopefully it's this one because I stand by it. His bat is that special. And it's a characterization shared by people much closer to the situation.

 

I can man up and admit that you are 100% right on Hiura, TBBC. He's exceeded my expectations in a big way. That bat has the chance of truly being difference-making. I liked him as a prospect, but in no way did I think he was going to be ready this year. I was WAY off.

[tmwiese55]

Yes I was one who expected the guy to hit fine this year but I am always on the cautiously optimistic and be patient type views when guys come up. So as one who even had a pump the breaks, lets relax and don't expect too much type view he has clearly blown that away and I would agree with TBCC he's likely their 2nd best hitter right now. Hoping it's not long until he gets slotted in the 3 hole behind Yeli.

 

I grabbed him in a keeper fantasy league the day he got called up, so yea I think that's going to pay off well. About my only saving grace of this season in that regard.

[MrTPlush]

Travis Shaw is absolutely destroying AAA these days, for what it is worth.

[cesser000]

Travis Shaw is absolutely destroying AAA these days, for what it is worth.

 

He's putting up some Tyler Saladino numbers down there!

[tmwiese55]

Great sign for Shaw of course. But also maybe a bit reminder slow down a bit to folks here pushing AAA guys a bit much lately due to their stats down there, another bit of info showing how much different and easier it is. Unfortunately for Shaw there really isn't much they can do right now. He's really just going to have to keep crushing it down there until an injury happens or we get to September. But it does keep a Moose trade option more available if the team struggles or if somehow it's needed.

[pacopete4]

Travis Shaw is absolutely destroying AAA these days, for what it is worth.

 

He's putting up some Tyler Saladino numbers down there!

 

Except Travis has a track record of being a very good MLB player.

[torts]

at least when they decide to recall shaw they can dump Saldy instead of Keston

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

at least when they decide to recall shaw they can dump Saldy instead of Keston

 

They need an backup infielder capable of playing SS, though. I mean, I guess you could stick Moose or Shaw there in a pinch, but it isn't ideal.

[reillymcshane]

at least when they decide to recall shaw they can dump Saldy instead of Keston

 

They need an backup infielder capable of playing SS, though. I mean, I guess you could stick Moose or Shaw there in a pinch, but it isn't ideal.

Yeah, that's the big issue. Saladino or Dubon probably needs to be on the roster.

[clancyphile]

at least when they decide to recall shaw they can dump Saldy instead of Keston

 

They need an backup infielder capable of playing SS, though. I mean, I guess you could stick Moose or Shaw there in a pinch, but it isn't ideal.

Yeah, that's the big issue. Saladino or Dubon probably needs to be on the roster.

 

I'd stick with Moose at short against righties if Shaw came up.

 

Or go with 12 pitchers... Shaw and Dubon up, Saladino and Smith down.