Keston Hiura called up, Shaw optioned

[brewmann04]

Now DS needs to find some arms

[PeaveyFury]

Trust me, I am very happy with these moves by the Brewers this evening.

 

I was also trying to interject a little sarcasm towards the person who alleges that the fan base which upholds all professional sports is nearly always wrong about personnel moves.

 

I guess that was lost on some of my brethren here.

 

I am a passionate Brewers fan! I am sorry if I come across rude or offensive. That’s not my intent when I voice my opinions strongly.

 

Go Brewers!

 

Great moves tonight!

 

 

No, I think you missed my point, which is that you suggest that the organization should be 'doing what is owed to the fans'. That's a terrible way to manage a baseball team. The second Stearns does something because the 'fans want it', he loses credibility as an objective manager of talent.

[TJseven7]

Well Stearns didn't gain credit by pulling Shaw up to suck more, when he could have pulled him off IR and shuffled some pitchers while demoting him back to AAA immediately.

 

This was overdue the moment Shaw was activated from the IL. Everyone knew it. AAA didn't prove Shaw got his stroke back. It was obvious and it ended up right as well. It's not about casual fans who want to see Hiura. Its the fact that Shaw didn't have it, and still doesn't. They could have waited for him to get back on track in AAA without giving him and Perez another string of ABs to prove what we already knew.

[young guns]

When I open the board I scan the list of new posts for anything big and then move from the bottom up catching up. Today I saw the Keaton huira and a thousand pages sighed, thinking it was the old one, and told myself as I started catching up, one day I will read huira recalled and shaw optioned.

 

Today! Today is that day!

[TJseven7]

When I open the board I scan the list of new posts for anything big and then move from the bottom up catching up. Today I saw the Keaton huira and a thousand pages sighed, thinking it was the old one, and told myself as I started catching up, one day I will read huira recalled and shaw optioned.

 

Today! Today is that day!

 

I actually boycotted until he came back. Never streamed the game... never posted here.

[Brewcrewin07]

I mean don't get me wrong, I like Keston as much as the next guy, but some of you here act like he's Babe Ruth reincarnated, and he alone is what has been ailing this ball club. I'd rather have seen Jesus go then Shaw, but either way it's the right move. That being said, unless DS gets some pitching...STAT, it's going to be like this for the rest of the season, regardless of whether or not Keston is here or in the minors.

[djoctagone]

I'd rather have seen Jesus go then Shaw

that's asking for both to go. when would you want shaw to be optioned?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I like Keston as much as the next guy, but some of you here act like he's Babe Ruth reincarnated, and he alone is what has been ailing this ball club.

 

This nails it. I like Keston, too, but he's one guy, a rookie. He isn't going to suddenly turn this team into the '27 Yankees. Good little player, and has all the tools to eventually be a star. Eventually.

[pacopete4]

I like Keston as much as the next guy, but some of you here act like he's Babe Ruth reincarnated, and he alone is what has been ailing this ball club.

 

This nails it. I like Keston, too, but he's one guy, a rookie. He isn't going to suddenly turn this team into the '27 Yankees. Good little player, and has all the tools to eventually be a star. Eventually.

 

Yep. A lot of Brewer fans have been insufferable over this situation. They’ll probably be the first to turn on the kid if he struggles or is a butcher at 2B.

[Pugger]

Now DS needs to find some arms

 

This, big time.

[Pugger]

I mean don't get me wrong, I like Keston as much as the next guy, but some of you here act like he's Babe Ruth reincarnated, and he alone is what has been ailing this ball club. I'd rather have seen Jesus go then Shaw, but either way it's the right move. That being said, unless DS gets some pitching...STAT, it's going to be like this for the rest of the season, regardless of whether or not Keston is here or in the minors.

 

I doubt folks here think Keston is the second coming of Babe Ruth but lately we've had problems scoring so any help in that regard is welcome.

[BillScottCanRake]

Remember when we all loved Bill Hall because we thought he'd be the next Babe Ruth (or Brooks Kieschnick)? Dreams of having an all star infielder and Cy Young pitcher kept our spirits up in those transitory days from Wendy Selig Prieb and Sal Bando to Mark A and Doug Melvin. Those were good times.

 

Would it be too much to ask Keston to win 8 games in the second half as a starter as well as put up 3 WAR as a position player? If for nothing else than a little Brewerfan.com nostalgia?

[KeithStone53151]

I like Keston as much as the next guy, but some of you here act like he's Babe Ruth reincarnated, and he alone is what has been ailing this ball club.

 

This nails it. I like Keston, too, but he's one guy, a rookie. He isn't going to suddenly turn this team into the '27 Yankees. Good little player, and has all the tools to eventually be a star. Eventually.

 

Yep. A lot of Brewer fans have been insufferable over this situation. They’ll probably be the first to turn on the kid if he struggles or is a butcher at 2B.

 

You're talking about a rookie with the same prospect pedigree of a Kris Bryant, Ronald Acuna, Cody Bellinger, etc. If Hiura was a Yankee or a Cub, he'd have been a top 5 prospect for months...the primary reason he isn't is we're small market and his mediocre defense. His bat grades out right up there with those guys when they were prospects, maybe even better. I'd consider it an overreaction if people were acting this way about us not calling up Freitas over Pina to be backup catcher. Swapping Shaw and Hiura makes the team so much better, especially considering Hiura is probably more likely than not to be a star. Hiura should be in the top 5 of the lineup tonight and every night until/unless he cools off.

[pacopete4]

 

Yep. A lot of Brewer fans have been insufferable over this situation. They’ll probably be the first to turn on the kid if he struggles or is a butcher at 2B.

 

You're talking about a rookie with the same prospect pedigree of a Kris Bryant, Ronald Acuna, Cody Bellinger, etc. If Hiura was a Yankee or a Cub, he'd have been a top 5 prospect for months...the primary reason he isn't is we're small market and his mediocre defense. His bat grades out right up there with those guys when they were prospects, maybe even better. I'd consider it an overreaction if people were acting this way about us not calling up Freitas over Pina to be backup catcher. Swapping Shaw and Hiura makes the team so much better, especially considering Hiura is probably more likely than not to be a star. Hiura should be in the top 5 of the lineup tonight and every night until/unless he cools off.

 

Those guys are better athletes and overall players. I’ve been singing the same tune as you have about his bat for a long time here. He’s a our next Braun-like bat to come through. He will most likely hit. Hopefully his defense will be passable enough to not hurt our pitching staff because they need all the help they can get right now. Either way the baby tantrums by Brewers fans wore on me. I probably shouldn’t let it bother me but it annoyed me too much. Glad the kid is up and getting his shot. Hopefully he makes the most of it and we begin turning around our play.

[SeaBass]

Yep. A lot of Brewer fans have been insufferable over this situation. They’ll probably be the first to turn on the kid if he struggles or is a butcher at 2B.

 

You're talking about a rookie with the same prospect pedigree of a Kris Bryant, Ronald Acuna, Cody Bellinger, etc. If Hiura was a Yankee or a Cub, he'd have been a top 5 prospect for months...the primary reason he isn't is we're small market and his mediocre defense. His bat grades out right up there with those guys when they were prospects, maybe even better. I'd consider it an overreaction if people were acting this way about us not calling up Freitas over Pina to be backup catcher. Swapping Shaw and Hiura makes the team so much better, especially considering Hiura is probably more likely than not to be a star. Hiura should be in the top 5 of the lineup tonight and every night until/unless he cools off.

That's all wonderful. He still has to actually do it first. People acting like it's a guarantee that he will instantly perform at a MVP level bother me. Is it possible? Yes, it's happened before, it will happen again. Is it likely? I think history would say it's not likely, and that doesn't mean he's not going to have a successful rookie season. There's a difference between being successful and being a baseball god right out of the gate.

[KeithStone53151]

Yep. A lot of Brewer fans have been insufferable over this situation. They’ll probably be the first to turn on the kid if he struggles or is a butcher at 2B.

 

You're talking about a rookie with the same prospect pedigree of a Kris Bryant, Ronald Acuna, Cody Bellinger, etc. If Hiura was a Yankee or a Cub, he'd have been a top 5 prospect for months...the primary reason he isn't is we're small market and his mediocre defense. His bat grades out right up there with those guys when they were prospects, maybe even better. I'd consider it an overreaction if people were acting this way about us not calling up Freitas over Pina to be backup catcher. Swapping Shaw and Hiura makes the team so much better, especially considering Hiura is probably more likely than not to be a star. Hiura should be in the top 5 of the lineup tonight and every night until/unless he cools off.

That's all wonderful. He still has to actually do it first. People acting like it's a guarantee that he will instantly perform at a MVP level bother me. Is it possible? Yes, it's happened before, it will happen again. Is it likely? I think history would say it's not likely, and that doesn't mean he's not going to have a successful rookie season. There's a difference between being successful and being a baseball god right out of the gate.

 

Who is saying he'll instantly perform at an MVP level? What most are saying, is he'll probably hit much better than 164. He doesn't have to do much to be better than Shaw has been. Having his 865 OPS bat in the lineup probably results in a couple more wins over the last month while Shaw has been floundering.

 

Also, to say it isn't likely is a bit crazy as well. How many rookies have come up lately and mashed immediately. What did Bellinger, Bryant, Acuna, Judge, Lindor, etc do as soon as they were called up? All of them mashed right out of the gate. Special bats tend to do that. It's not a guarantee, but there's a very good chance Hiura ends the season over 900 OPS.

[KeithStone53151]

 

Yep. A lot of Brewer fans have been insufferable over this situation. They’ll probably be the first to turn on the kid if he struggles or is a butcher at 2B.

 

You're talking about a rookie with the same prospect pedigree of a Kris Bryant, Ronald Acuna, Cody Bellinger, etc. If Hiura was a Yankee or a Cub, he'd have been a top 5 prospect for months...the primary reason he isn't is we're small market and his mediocre defense. His bat grades out right up there with those guys when they were prospects, maybe even better. I'd consider it an overreaction if people were acting this way about us not calling up Freitas over Pina to be backup catcher. Swapping Shaw and Hiura makes the team so much better, especially considering Hiura is probably more likely than not to be a star. Hiura should be in the top 5 of the lineup tonight and every night until/unless he cools off.

 

Those guys are better athletes and overall players. I’ve been singing the same tune as you have about his bat for a long time here. He’s a our next Braun-like bat to come through. He will most likely hit. Hopefully his defense will be passable enough to not hurt our pitching staff because they need all the help they can get right now. Either way the baby tantrums by Brewers fans wore on me. I probably shouldn’t let it bother me but it annoyed me too much. Glad the kid is up and getting his shot. Hopefully he makes the most of it and we begin turning around our play.

 

I strongly disagree with you on Hiura's defense. The errors he's made in the field will get better with experience, and he'll probably be a better defender at 2b than Moose. And facts are facts, you've been defending the FO decision to give Shaw a chance...saying he deserved to be up over Hiura. Well Shaw was terrible and you were proven wrong...don't try backtracking and say you're glad Hiura is getting a shot...because clearly you are in the Shaw>Hiura camp.

[adambr2]

Yep. A lot of Brewer fans have been insufferable over this situation. They’ll probably be the first to turn on the kid if he struggles or is a butcher at 2B.

 

You're talking about a rookie with the same prospect pedigree of a Kris Bryant, Ronald Acuna, Cody Bellinger, etc. If Hiura was a Yankee or a Cub, he'd have been a top 5 prospect for months...the primary reason he isn't is we're small market and his mediocre defense. His bat grades out right up there with those guys when they were prospects, maybe even better. I'd consider it an overreaction if people were acting this way about us not calling up Freitas over Pina to be backup catcher. Swapping Shaw and Hiura makes the team so much better, especially considering Hiura is probably more likely than not to be a star. Hiura should be in the top 5 of the lineup tonight and every night until/unless he cools off.

That's all wonderful. He still has to actually do it first. People acting like it's a guarantee that he will instantly perform at a MVP level bother me. Is it possible? Yes, it's happened before, it will happen again. Is it likely? I think history would say it's not likely, and that doesn't mean he's not going to have a successful rookie season. There's a difference between being successful and being a baseball god right out of the gate.

 

 

Has anyone actually been acting like Hiura is going to instantly perform like an MVP or be the next Babe Ruth, or is that just some kind of embellishment that has taken on a life of its own?

 

I doubt a single person has indicated that anything close to those two things is realistic. What is realistic? It's probably realistic that Hiura can come in and post an .850 or so OPS at this level, hit with good power and replace the bat of Perez against LHP in the lineup. Which is a pretty large upgrade over the production we were getting from Shaw/Perez. That's what matters. Just because Hiura isn't going to fix every problem on the team doesn't mean you don't let him come in and fix one that he likely can.

[TURBO]

 

Has anyone actually been acting like Hiura is going to instantly perform like an MVP or be the next Babe Ruth, or is that just some kind of embellishment that has taken on a life of its own?

 

I doubt a single person has indicated that anything close to those two things is realistic. What is realistic? It's probably realistic that Hiura can come in and post an .850 or so OPS at this level, hit with good power and replace the bat of Perez against LHP in the lineup. Which is a pretty large upgrade over the production we were getting from Shaw/Perez. That's what matters. Just because Hiura isn't going to fix every problem on the team doesn't mean you don't let him come in and fix one that he likely can.

 

Stop using logic, you might get a reputation for being logical, and that might not play here.

 

[pacopete4]

I strongly disagree with you on Hiura's defense. The errors he's made in the field will get better with experience, and he'll probably be a better defender at 2b than Moose. And facts are facts, you've been defending the FO decision to give Shaw a chance...saying he deserved to be up over Hiura. Well Shaw was terrible and you were proven wrong...don't try backtracking and say you're glad Hiura is getting a shot...because clearly you are in the Shaw>Hiura camp.

 

You can be both. This isn’t about Shaw>Hiura. I was strongly against throwing Shaw away like he’s trash. I am usually in the camp of the longer leash and I’m glad our front office is too. Patience is a huge plus for me with Stearns. It’s paid off several times over already in his short time as our GM. Shaw didn’t do anything with his chances and that stinks for the Brewers but I’m glad they have him as many opportunities as they did. It’s the smart way to go about these situations and my mind won’t change on that. Call it defending the front office or just how I see it. But yes, I am happy Hiura is up and going to get his shot. Been a big fan of his bat. How could you not?

 

We will see on his defense. It wasn’t good the first go around but hey, those are just facts.

[Jopal78]

After having put up 4 consecutive seasons of at least an .844 OPS and hitting 104 homers in the process; in 2003 , Paul Konerko hit .234/.304/.399. The '03 White Sox, like this years Brewers, were in and out of first place all season long ultimately falling out for good the last two weeks of September and finishing in 2nd place.

 

Konerko went 4 for 41 in June of 2003 with a slash line of .098/.174/.098. His first half numbers in 2003 were .197/.267/.300 Despite an extremely poor half season and an entire year of being over .140 points below his typical OPS, the White Sox did not DFA Konerko even though they were in a tight race for the playoffs. Konerko then went on to play ten more years for the White Sox and hit 310 homeruns during those ten years.

 

I agree that Hiura has nothing to prove in the minor leagues, but be careful what you wish for in advocating for the team to jettison quality players like Shaw for having a down season. Such moves would have a chance of coming back to haunt the team, and isn't a move that consistently successful teams make.

[HarveysWBs]

Just because Hiura isn't going to fix every problem on the team doesn't mean you don't let him come in and fix one that he likely can. —YES!

 

Especially when that solution is practically free! We can argue all day about what will help win more games, improving the pitching or the hitting, but getting better pitchers is going to be hugely expensive at this point. Getting a better hitter in the lineup was only a plane ride away for the last month. If Hiura isn’t an above-average regular in the lineup this year, i’ll be disappointed. But if I was a gambling man, I’d just about wager this month’s mortgage payment that he will hit better than either Shaw or Perez’s OPS+ going forward, and that’s probably good enough to give the Brewers a +1 or 2 in the win column. Why can’t we all just be excited for that?

[KeithStone53151]

After having put up 4 consecutive seasons of at least an .844 OPS and hitting 104 homers in the process; in 2003 , Paul Konerko hit .234/.304/.399. The '03 White Sox, like this years Brewers, were in and out of first place all season long ultimately falling out for good the last two weeks of September and finishing in 2nd place.

 

Konerko went 4 for 41 in June of 2003 with a slash line of .098/.174/.098. His first half numbers in 2003 were .197/.267/.300 Despite an extremely poor half season and an entire year of being over .140 points below his typical OPS, the White Sox did not DFA Konerko even though they were in a tight race for the playoffs. Konerko then went on to play ten more years for the White Sox and hit 310 homeruns during those ten years.

 

I agree that Hiura has nothing to prove in the minor leagues, but be careful what you wish for in advocating for the team to jettison quality players like Shaw for having a down season. Such moves would have a chance of coming back to haunt the team, and isn't a move that consistently successful teams make.

 

He does have options, so we don't have to get rid of him. He just clearly isn't the best option right now. And for every Konerko, there are a dozen guys that lose it and never get it back.

[Lathund]

 

Has anyone actually been acting like Hiura is going to instantly perform like an MVP or be the next Babe Ruth, or is that just some kind of embellishment that has taken on a life of its own?

 

Yeah noone has been acting like that. It's just a straw man that a few posters (Or maybe it was SeaBass who did it last month too, can't remember) have used to make a point. For what reason, I really couldn't tell.

 

 

Since Hiura was sent down, Perez has a .154/.209/.179, for a wRC+ of 2. Most of those at bats coming at 2B against lefties. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect he'll perform a lot better than that. Shaw had a 66 wRC+ in that time, expecting Hiura to perform better than that isn't at all unreasonable either.

[homer]

Hiura can't pitch. He is solving the least problematic part of the equation. I'm glad he's here and I expect him to rake but I'm not going to get excited until the pitching whoas are solvdd.