Keston Hiura called up, Shaw optioned

[homer]

I look forward to Hiura joining the rotation. Could use an upgrade or two there.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I look forward to Hiura joining the rotation. Could use an upgrade or two there.

 

With the standard some seem to hold Hiura to around here, I guess I just assumed that he'd be able to will the starting staff to pitch better.

[pacopete4]

6.55 ERA over the last 30 games is the problem. I’d like to see Hiura too but some of this is a bit much.

[adambr2]

The problem I have with the argument that Hiura wouldn't help because pitching has been the problem (which it has), is that improving on a strength is still improving. Yes, the lineup overall has done more than its fair share, but certainly, Shaw still has been a black hole in that lineup. Four of our eleven losses since Hiura went down were by 2 runs or less, so it's certainly possible that a little more offense makes a difference in those losses, like it did when Hiura homered off Vasquez and we won in extras.

[Eye Black]

Next to no way Hiura gets traded guys, relax on that. There's just almost no way it happens since there is no true ace level pitching available.

 

 

Sky is falling...

[Fear The Chorizo]

6.55 ERA over the last 30 games is the problem. I’d like to see Hiura too but some of this is a bit much.

 

Pitching is a problem that has nothing to do with whether or not Hiura helps this team...so I really don't know why pitching woes keep getting brought up in a thread debating why one of their best righthanded bats is still sitting in AAA.

[Eye Black]

For the record I do NOT think there is a high likelihood Keston Hiura is going to get traded so please don't take my post above too seriously (meant in jest).

 

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...

[pacopete4]

6.55 ERA over the last 30 games is the problem. I’d like to see Hiura too but some of this is a bit much.

 

Pitching is a problem that has nothing to do with whether or not Hiura helps this team...so I really don't know why pitching woes keep getting brought up in a thread debating why one of their best righthanded bats is still sitting in AAA.

 

Because those that are so desperate to have him believe it will right the ship. Solid to good pitching will. The rest of this is just whining to me. Hiura will get his shot, eventually. No matter what ends up happening with him, he himself won’t fix the ultimate problem with this team.

[Fear The Chorizo]

6.55 ERA over the last 30 games is the problem. I’d like to see Hiura too but some of this is a bit much.

 

Pitching is a problem that has nothing to do with whether or not Hiura helps this team...so I really don't know why pitching woes keep getting brought up in a thread debating why one of their best righthanded bats is still sitting in AAA.

 

Because those that are so desperate to have him believe it will right the ship. Solid to good pitching will. The rest of this is just whining to me. Hiura will get his shot, eventually. No matter what ends up happening with him, he himself won’t fix the ultimate problem with this team.

 

ok, but I don't see people saying that Hiura alone will suddenly make them pitch better - and it's not like bringing him back up precludes the Brewers from making other moves to address pitching problems. Hiura on the MLB roster makes the Brewers a more talented and better team, not to mention replacing Shaw with Hiura would better balance the position player roster out from a righty/lefty standpoint, too.

 

edit: not even trying to single Shaw out, although he's a logical choice to go down if he does still have options. At this point I'd be good with IL-ing Cain until the AS Break to hopefully get him healthy for the second half - him sitting multiple games with the bad thumb really hamstrings their righthanded hitting options and has the Brewers really shorthanded, even with him having a bad year thus far.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I look forward to Hiura joining the rotation. Could use an upgrade or two there.

 

With the standard some seem to hold Hiura to around here, I guess I just assumed that he'd be able to will the starting staff to pitch better.

 

You mean the standard the Rick Sweet holds Hiura to? Because Sweet has him up there with some of the greats...

 

#Brewers San Antonio Manager Rick Sweet on Keston Hiura: "I've had Ken Griffey, Jr., Edgar Martinez, Luis Gonzalez, and some other names, Vladimir Guerrero, that are good hitters, Keston falls in that category. He's special. We're just seeing the tip of it. He's a special hitter"

 

The people who were up in arms when Hiura went down and are up in arms now, have every reason to be.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I was just making light of the situation. I want him up too.

[tmwiese55]

Yup the reasons are gone now. Shaw: given his chance he deserved/earned as a solid player for two years. Super 2: should be done now. You don't lose any organizational depth by putting Shaw in AAA (whereas before you would've if you put Jesus down). So, the time seems right.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

While I by no means believe that Keston Hiura is the savior that's going to cure everything that ails this team at the given moment, I do believe that right now he is part of the best version of this team's starting nine, so he should be up. Dubon is inching ever so closer to that level as well.

[KeithStone53151]

Yup the reasons are gone now. Shaw: given his chance he deserved/earned as a solid player for two years. Super 2: should be done now. You don't lose any organizational depth by putting Shaw in AAA (whereas before you would've if you put Jesus down). So, the time seems right.

 

I agree with all of this, though frankly I fully disagree that he should have been given a chance at the MLB level after Hiura mashed during his time up. That's all in the past though, at this point...there are no valid argument remaining for Hiura to still be in AAA. All the weird comments like "he's not a pitcher" I find a bit silly. So we only try to improve our greatest weakness...and ignore all other weaknesses?

[homer]

I think he should be up. However, I don't think he's the missing piece to a playoff run. The pitching is worse than the offense. Hiura doesn't fix that.

[jerichoholicninja]

At what point do you keep Huira down the rest of 2019 to get another year of control? The question is mostly in jest but if we're past Super 2, which if that's why he was sent down and kept down is a totally stupid reason to keep him down IMO, you might as well just bring him up since service time is irrelevant. Ya, I know the roster crunch but at some point you need to do something about your offensive black holes. An Aguilar that can't hit offers absolutely nothing for your team.

[young guns]

I just want him up because it would be 1 less thing to complain about. Frankly isn't the point to make the whole team better? I get he won't help the pitching, and no one's saying he will, but we should be improving the team with the obvious, and in this case, easiest improvements first. I know every is just trying to point out that there's bigger issues, but that's like seeing a $10 bill on the ground and ignoring it because you need $600 for rent.

[wntrtxn21]

At what point do you keep Huira down the rest of 2019 to get another year of control? The question is mostly in jest but if we're past Super 2, which if that's why he was sent down and kept down is a totally stupid reason to keep him down IMO, you might as well just bring him up since service time is irrelevant. Ya, I know the roster crunch but at some point you need to do something about your offensive black holes. An Aguilar that can't hit offers absolutely nothing for your team.

 

I think the whole thing comes down to: does Stearns want to get rid of Aguilar? If he lets Aguilar go there will be 4-5 teams that put in claims immediately. Aguilar's trade value is just about nil, so he isn't going to bring much more than a bag of used balls.

[pacopete4]

Counsell Answers the Question

[ecjimg]

Counsell Answers the Question

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I find him harder to watch/listen to than any past Brewers manager other than "Soup pitched great" Roenicke. He comes off as a condescending tool. Its a "Im the smartest man in the room" attitude.......even when he's delivering the standard "company line" answers to questions.

[TURBO]

but that's like seeing a $10 bill on the ground and ignoring it because you need $600 for rent.

 

brilliant!

[Fear The Chorizo]

Counsell Answers the Question

 

Perfect follow up question to that garbled answer is "do you consider Hiura to be an impact player?"

 

Another great ? could be "given the fact Cain just had cryo therapy on his thumb and is obviously not 100%, doesn't it make sense to put him on the IL and call up hiura so the team isn't playing a position player short leading up through the all star break?"

 

They need to continue being asked about the hiura situation daily, not just CC but also stearns.

[pacopete4]

 

They need to continue being asked about the hiura situation daily, not just CC but also stearns.

 

This does nothing. Never has. Never will. Nothing positive ever comes from those types of media interaction. They’ve made their decision and explained it. Disagreeing with it is one thing but badgering them about it because you disagree with it is pretty silly.

[Fear The Chorizo]

 

They need to continue being asked about the hiura situation daily, not just CC but also stearns.

 

This does nothing. Never has. Never will. Nothing positive ever comes from those types of media interaction. They’ve made their decision and explained it. Disagreeing with it is one thing but badgering them about it because you disagree with it is pretty silly.

 

Disagree completely, because their explanation is fine the first time they gave it back in early May and again after they brought shaw back up after a handful of rehab starts in early june, but at some point as CC indicated a decision contrary to their position needs to be made - so they've essentially admitted to their initial plan being the wrong decision.

[pacopete4]

 

They need to continue being asked about the hiura situation daily, not just CC but also stearns.

 

This does nothing. Never has. Never will. Nothing positive ever comes from those types of media interaction. They’ve made their decision and explained it. Disagreeing with it is one thing but badgering them about it because you disagree with it is pretty silly.

 

Disagree completely, because their explanation is fine the first time they gave it back in early May and again after they brought shaw back up after a handful of rehab starts in early june, but at some point as CC indicated a decision contrary to their position needs to be made - so they've essentially admitted to their initial plan being the wrong decision.

 

Even if they believe they’ve contradicted themselves they’re not going to get in a battle with the people they depend on to work with for coverage. It just won’t happen. This isn’t New York as much as some want it to be.