Keston Hiura called up, Shaw optioned

[Eye Black]

Between Triple-A and MLB this year Keston Hiura has 21 HRs in just 253 at bats. That is one home run in every 12 at bats. I have always envisioned him developing into a doubles machine, but never really expected him to be a potential 35+ home run guy. It has been the exact opposite this year however, he has produced more home runs than doubles.

[brewcrewdue80]

He was up for 3 weeks? Its been near 3weeks hes been sent down. Just wasting away the production he could bring at 2b with Moose at 3b. Shaw needs optioned last month. We're skating around 1st place with a 0run differential. Hiura has that ability where he can leadoff with Cain struggling. A Cascade effect moving a terrible bat out of the lineup and worse bats down in the lineup. You can platoon Gamel with Braun. It's amazing how difficult the management is handling this roster.

[MrTPlush]

Between Triple-A and MLB this year Keston Hiura has 21 HRs in just 253 at bats. That is one home run in every 12 at bats. I have always envisioned him developing into a doubles machine, but never really expected him to be a potential 35+ home run guy. It has been the exact opposite this year however, he has produced more home runs than doubles.

 

Bat speed can do magical things. Weeks had 30 homer power on that alone too. Though Weeks was much much more a line drive hitter and really never tried to hit homers. I expected Hiura to end up the same way and have more doubles power, but this year a lot have left the park. Not sure if he changed something going into the year to get more launch angle or not. Regardless it will be interesting to see if the HR power is legit or if he is having a bit of luck this year.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

He was up for 3 weeks? Its been near 3weeks hes been sent down. Just wasting away the production he could bring at 2b with Moose at 3b. Shaw needs optioned last month. We're skating around 1st place with a 0run differential. Hiura has that ability where he can leadoff with Cain struggling. A Cascade effect moving a terrible bat out of the lineup and worse bats down in the lineup. You can platoon Gamel with Braun. It's amazing how difficult the management is handling this roster.

 

I overall like this take. However, Hiura doesn’t walk much at all, so do we really want him leading off? Seems like he would be better served with the potential of driving runners in, not being driven in.

[brewcrewdue80]

He was up for 3 weeks? Its been near 3weeks hes been sent down. Just wasting away the production he could bring at 2b with Moose at 3b. Shaw needs optioned last month. We're skating around 1st place with a 0run differential. Hiura has that ability where he can leadoff with Cain struggling. A Cascade effect moving a terrible bat out of the lineup and worse bats down in the lineup. You can platoon Gamel with Braun. It's amazing how difficult the management is handling this roster.

 

I overall like this take. However, Hiura doesn’t walk much at all, so do we really want him leading off? Seems like he would be better served with the potential of driving runners in, not being driven in.

 

Hes 1bb away in AAA to have a 10% bb rate in the next 7PAs. Its all a progression thing. He could have a BA higher than Cain's OB as it stands now. Bat Cain 3 Moose 4 Grandal 5 Gamel 6th. Something to shake this up. Heck the way Thames is taking walks, bat him 8th and Arcia 7. Full R/L mix in lineup. Team was 10-7 with him when 12games were on the road. I'm just at a point how bad they'll let this ship sink before making the logical changes? It took game 163 to win the division last year. How can you not know 1W vs 1L difference can have huge impact? We lost 4 games on that road trip by 2runs or less. 6-9 since demoted.

 

adding: Shaw is 7-36 2XBH 1HR a .194/.318/.314 .632 OPS since being back. The BBs are carrying him atm.

 

Hiura is 16-60 7XBH 5HR a .267/.323/.550 .873 OPS since down. 13RBI in that time to 3RBI for Shaw. Now, I know 65PAs beats 42PAs, but Crew have had days off and they've sat Shaw because he needs to be sat.

[treego14]

Keeping Hiura in the minors is Shawful!

[Eye Black]

Keeping Hiura in the minors is Shawful!

Personally I would have gone with it being a Travis-ty.

[MrTPlush]

Keeping Hiura in the minors is Shawful!

Personally I would have gone with it being a Travis-ty.

 

This is amazing.

 

Go grab yourself your preferred beverage and a bowl of corn flakes.

[rickh150]

Just option him..., let him play everyday in San Antonio.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

If the crew ends up losing today. They will be 6-10 since Shaw has been back. 2 of those wins he didn’t play. Not that they are mutually exclusive, just adding to the narrative.

[willie key]

If the crew ends up losing today. They will be 6-10 since Shaw has been back. 2 of those wins he didn’t play. Not that they are mutually exclusive, just adding to the narrative.

 

 

I surprised it’s even that good

[Fear The Chorizo]

Factor in their june competition, they've been dreadful this month...sub 500 against the likes of the reds, giants ,Padres, and Marlins after splitting a pair with the astros is a joke

[JohnBriggs12]

What so maddening is that the excuse for sending out Hiura and bringing back Shaw was that they wanted to maintain organizational depth? Since when does organizational depth trump lineup depth at the major league level for a contending team? Shaw's having a lost season. Maybe he'll come back and be the guy he was for a couple seasons. Maybe he's Chris Davis and he's done. Either way, Hiura's the future not just at 2B, but in the middle of the lineup. Maintain depth by using some of that money the fans are pouring into the coffers and extend Moose and Grandal for a couple more seasons.

[Pugger]

What so maddening is that the excuse for sending out Hiura and bringing back Shaw was that they wanted to maintain organizational depth? Since when does organizational depth trump lineup depth at the major league level for a contending team? Shaw's having a lost season. Maybe he'll come back and be the guy he was for a couple seasons. Maybe he's Chris Davis and he's done. Either way, Hiura's the future not just at 2B, but in the middle of the lineup. Maintain depth by using some of that money the fans are pouring into the coffers and extend Moose and Grandal for a couple more seasons.

 

Posts like this is why we need a "like" button around here.

[OldHeidelberg]

I think the decision was pretty clearly about Super 2 status, I still don't agree with it and I think it has likely hurt the team but just another example how we are at a disadvantage in this sport.

[balsamlaker]

The next week or two is going to be interesting to see what happens with Shaw, Aguilar, Hiura, and Burnes. They are all not helping this team. Shaw could go down and play first base in SA and get his swing back, Aguilar would likely be picked up by someone. Maybe Freitas or someone comes up and Burch Smith?

[OldHeidelberg]

The next week or two is going to be interesting to see what happens with Shaw, Aguilar, Hiura, and Burnes. They are all not helping this team. Shaw could go down and play first base in SA and get his swing back, Aguilar would likely be picked up by someone. Maybe Freitas or someone comes up and Burch Smith?

 

From the in game thread Wilkerson up and Burnes is down. It's about time.

[JosephC]

I think the decision was pretty clearly about Super 2 status, I still don't agree with it and I think it has likely hurt the team but just another example how we are at a disadvantage in this sport.

 

I expect Hiura to be called up before the next series, and if so then there is just no question that it was all about Super 2 status. But if the unexpected happens, and Hiura is still in AAA on July 1, then it's questionable if it was about Super 2 status or something else (defense), because Super 2 status really doesn't play into the equation at all once we get into very late June/early July.

[JohnBriggs12]

I think the decision was pretty clearly about Super 2 status, I still don't agree with it and I think it has likely hurt the team but just another example how we are at a disadvantage in this sport.

 

I expect Hiura to be called up before the next series, and if so then there is just no question that it was all about Super 2 status. But if the unexpected happens, and Hiura is still in AAA on July 1, then it's questionable if it was about Super 2 status or something else (defense), because Super 2 status really doesn't play into the equation at all once we get into very late June/early July.

 

It's one thing to be conscious of Super 2 status, it's quite another to mess with a lineup on a contending team that's clicking with Hiura as a key member. As we now are seeing, once a team loses it's mojo, getting it back is a big problem. They could have always waited for Hiura to go through a bit of a slump, but they sent him down when he was on fire to bring up a guy who's been lost since day one. The season can be lost in June.

[SoCalBrewfan]

I don't think it's all about Super 2, but that's clearly a bullet point on a white board somewhere and you can be darned sure that the front office has a date in mind for Hiura being safe from Super 2. I think they had a plan for the start of the season and it didn't involve Hiura coming on as fast as he did, and now they're trying to convince themselves to change the plan and haven't quite gotten there yet.

 

I think the bottom line is that they really don't like to make decisions that they can't undo until they feel it's necessary. They held onto Thames, Aguilar, and Choi for quite some time, until they used Choi to fill another need. Choi of course has proven to be valuable in TB though he's a complementary piece rather than a star.

 

The team has made mistakes before on player value based on a bad year or half year, only to lose someone who turned out to be still pretty valuable. (All teams have, of course.) We didn't just give Segura away, but you could definitely argue that we sold low on a young former all star shortstop after two down years. Similarly I feel like they misplayed Domingo Santana and convinced themselves he wasn't worth much after his down year, while he has essentially reverted to the 2017 player in Seattle. So how sure are you that Shaw and Aguilar are done? If you listened to some fans, Davies and Anderson were afterthoughts as far as the rotation goes, but they've been two of our four best starters this year. Albers was left for dead after last year's performance but he's been pretty similar to his '17 season right now aside from the ERA.

[Thurston Fluff]

I think the decision was pretty clearly about Super 2 status, I still don't agree with it and I think it has likely hurt the team but just another example how we are at a disadvantage in this sport.

 

I expect Hiura to be called up before the next series, and if so then there is just no question that it was all about Super 2 status. But if the unexpected happens, and Hiura is still in AAA on July 1, then it's questionable if it was about Super 2 status or something else (defense), because Super 2 status really doesn't play into the equation at all once we get into very late June/early July.

 

It's one thing to be conscious of Super 2 status, it's quite another to mess with a lineup on a contending team that's clicking with Hiura as a key member. As we now are seeing, once a team loses it's mojo, getting it back is a big problem. They could have always waited for Hiura to go through a bit of a slump, but they sent him down when he was on fire to bring up a guy who's been lost since day one. The season can be lost in June.

 

They lost 5 straight games to the freaking Pirates last season and it didn't seem to hard to get there mojo back. This team is a lot more resilient than this stretch can obliterate. While I agree a season can be lost in June the Brewers are quite a ways away from that happening. That said, I think it's about time some of the players start to produce. It's no longer early and the sample size is getting large enough to matter.

[SoCalBrewfan]

No doubt they'll look on this stretch as a missed opportunity, and maybe even the stretch that cost them the playoffs, but the season is long and most teams have a week or two when they look like the 27 Yankees or the 62 Mets. There was a point this year when the Mariners looked like something and the AL West looked like a two-team race between them and the Astros. Oops. There was a time when the Phillies looked great, the Mets were a thing and the Nationals were dead. The Red Sox and Yankees both looked terrible at one point.

 

Never judge an MLB team or player when they're at their best, or at their worst.

[SeaBass]

Who saw this stretch of games against some of the worst teams in baseball going this badly? They had to think going without Hiura during this stretch wasn't going to hurt them. It can be argued it hasn't, having Hiura doesn't mean the pitching would be any better. Might they have won one or two games they've lost? Hard to say. I suspect they'd be right where they are now even with Keston.

[coolhandluke121]

I’m surprised the team hasn’t sent Shaw down to work on his swing. They sent Arcia and Knebel down in the past, why are they so hesitant with Shaw? Is it because he isn’t a homegrown player and they don’t have the same comfort level in doing it with a player they didn’t start with? That’s my only explanation at this point. It may be a moot point for a bit if Moose has to go on the DL.

 

I don't know the explanation....but having to do with being homegrown or not I promise you has nothing to do with it. That just doesn't really make any sense to me. Also Knebel isn't homegrown and his demotion lasted a grand 3.2 innings before getting recalled on September 1st. Likely only demoted to shuffle the roster until September. Hardly much of a demotion.

 

I think he'll be down as soon as they think Hiura clears super-2 status. And he'll stay down until rosters expand, unless they need a 3B and he's playing well.

[wntrtxn21]

I don't think it's all about Super 2, but that's clearly a bullet point on a white board somewhere and you can be darned sure that the front office has a date in mind for Hiura being safe from Super 2. I think they had a plan for the start of the season and it didn't involve Hiura coming on as fast as he did, and now they're trying to convince themselves to change the plan and haven't quite gotten there yet.

 

I think the bottom line is that they really don't like to make decisions that they can't undo until they feel it's necessary. They held onto Thames, Aguilar, and Choi for quite some time, until they used Choi to fill another need. Choi of course has proven to be valuable in TB though he's a complementary piece rather than a star.

 

The team has made mistakes before on player value based on a bad year or half year, only to lose someone who turned out to be still pretty valuable. (All teams have, of course.) We didn't just give Segura away, but you could definitely argue that we sold low on a young former all star shortstop after two down years. Similarly I feel like they misplayed Domingo Santana and convinced themselves he wasn't worth much after his down year, while he has essentially reverted to the 2017 player in Seattle. So how sure are you that Shaw and Aguilar are done? If you listened to some fans, Davies and Anderson were afterthoughts as far as the rotation goes, but they've been two of our four best starters this year. Albers was left for dead after last year's performance but he's been pretty similar to his '17 season right now aside from the ERA.

 

I think Stearns looked at how much playing time Santana would get with Braun also being RH. They obviously don't want Braun at 1B, and so Santana would be sitting a lot. Plus he Ks a bunch and he is one of the worst defensive OFs in baseball.