Keston Hiura called up, Shaw optioned

[DHonks]

I’d like to see CC sit down with Shaw and say the Brewers are keeping a new set of stats....post IL only. He needs to not feel dragged down by the first 5-6 weeks. He’s got a strong track-record,

[TJseven7]

I’d like to see CC sit down with Shaw and say the Brewers are keeping a new set of stats....post IL only. He needs to not feel dragged down by the first 5-6 weeks. He’s got a strong track-record,

 

Fine and dandy but the SA numbers look awful too.

[DHonks]

I’d like to see CC sit down with Shaw and say the Brewers are keeping a new set of stats....post IL only. He needs to not feel dragged down by the first 5-6 weeks. He’s got a strong track-record,

 

Fine and dandy but the SA numbers look awful too.

 

Tell me the last time a big leaguer cared about minor league rehab numbers...

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I’d like to see CC sit down with Shaw and say the Brewers are keeping a new set of stats....post IL only. He needs to not feel dragged down by the first 5-6 weeks. He’s got a strong track-record,

 

Fine and dandy but the SA numbers look awful too.

 

Tell me the last time a big leaguer cared about minor league rehab numbers...

 

Exactly. If the Brewers are saying Shaw is good to go, we have no reason not to believe them.

 

Really, your only reason would be something like "I don't like Travis Shaw" or "I am a Brewer pessimist".

[MrTPlush]

I’d like to see CC sit down with Shaw and say the Brewers are keeping a new set of stats....post IL only. He needs to not feel dragged down by the first 5-6 weeks. He’s got a strong track-record,

 

Fine and dandy but the SA numbers look awful too.

 

He doesn't have SA numbers. Because no one sane judges someone on 25 ABs.

 

He is 4 for his last 13 and has 5 walks compared to just 2 strikeouts though if you like small samples.

[Roderick]

I’d like to see CC sit down with Shaw and say the Brewers are keeping a new set of stats....post IL only. He needs to not feel dragged down by the first 5-6 weeks. He’s got a strong track-record,

 

Fine and dandy but the SA numbers look awful too.

 

Tell me the last time a big leaguer cared about minor league rehab numbers...

 

Tell me the last time a big leaguer wasn't trying when he was batting in a minor league rehab assignment. That would be the only reason to not look at how his at bats have been going by the eye test and by the numbers in SA.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I’d like to see CC sit down with Shaw and say the Brewers are keeping a new set of stats....post IL only. He needs to not feel dragged down by the first 5-6 weeks. He’s got a strong track-record,

 

It was more like the first 7 weeks

 

I'd much rather see CC and Stearns call Shaw and Aguilar in their office and say "If your MLB production doesn't improve between now and the trade deadline, you'll find yourself with limited opportunities for consistent playing time down the stretch on this club, because we can't afford to have offensive black holes at corner IF positions if we really want to win a World Series. If that means we have to make a trade or risk losing one of you to waivers by DFA-ing you, so be it. Stop hitting like pitchers so we don't have a tough decision to make around the AS Break - we don't want it to get to the point where your 2019 struggles become a similar sample size to the periods when you were quality offensive players earlier in your careers we believe you still are, so prove us right."

 

Once Shaw is recalled, I'd really like to see them find a way to keep Hiura up through the AS Break - they have 4 offdays in June sprinkled across what appears to be a very favorable schedule. Seems like they haven't been using the AAA bullpen shuttle too much, and IMO I'd rather they send a pitcher down who still as an option (Burnes, Claudio, etc) to make room for Shaw - I don't think you can take Moose out of the lineup right now, so I wouldn't mind seeing a Shaw at 3rd against righties with Moose at 2nd, then shift Moose to 3rd and give Hiura starts at 2nd against lefties. If they are concerned about super 2 with Hiura, I'd rather they send him down to AAA over the AS Break for a few more weeks, then recall him shortly after the trade deadline. Something tells me this year's trade deadline is going to see the Brewers unloading some of their corner IF excess with hopes of shoring up their MLB bullpen - even if it means having to sell low on guys simply to improve their MLB roster flexibility.

[MrTPlush]

They could send a pitcher down, but I would prefer it not be Corbin Burnes. Since moving to relief he has had mostly really nice outings. Much like Woodruff starting I think he has been doing good, they just need to be patient to work out a few kinks. It isn't like he bombs every single time he walks out there.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

They could send a pitcher down, but I would prefer it not be Corbin Burnes. Since moving to relief he has had mostly really nice outings. Much like Woodruff starting I think he has been doing good, they just need to be patient to work out a few kinks. It isn't like he bombs every single time he walks out there.

 

Is this in blue? Feels like Burnes has been awful this year, both as a reliever AND a starter...

 

Starter - 10.70 ERA 2.15 WHIP .380 BAA

Reliever - 9.00 ERA 1.67 WHIP .258 BAA

 

Both look awful... he has incredible in 2018, but something isn't right this year...

 

Since moving to the bullpen in May...

hit hard May 1, May 17, May 22, and May 30

solid outings May 4, May 6, May 10, May 11, May 14, May 24, May 27

 

Even removing the shelling on May 17th (7 runs in 2/3 IP), he still has a 5.07 ERA in the other 10 appearances

[Brew crew 92]

They could send a pitcher down, but I would prefer it not be Corbin Burnes. Since moving to relief he has had mostly really nice outings. Much like Woodruff starting I think he has been doing good, they just need to be patient to work out a few kinks. It isn't like he bombs every single time he walks out there.

 

Agree with not sending Burnes down. I believe the crew will be rewarded with their patience.

 

Imo, no way the crew goes with 7 pen arms, not with the consistent short starts from Anderson Chacín and CCs M/O with the pen.

 

Hiura’s gone on Monday, and won’t be back, barring injury, until Aguilar and or Thames are traded, which I hope is well before the deadline.

[MrTPlush]

They could send a pitcher down, but I would prefer it not be Corbin Burnes. Since moving to relief he has had mostly really nice outings. Much like Woodruff starting I think he has been doing good, they just need to be patient to work out a few kinks. It isn't like he bombs every single time he walks out there.

 

Is this in blue? Feels like Burnes has been awful this year, both as a reliever AND a starter...

 

We are talking about 11 outings here....that is a pretty darn small sample. Overall the stats may not look good, but those 7 outings where he didn't give up an earned run were almost all really impressive. It isn't like he is struggling when he puts up zeros...usually he is dominant. I am not really a fan of getting rid of someone who looks dominant that often. I will take a few speed bumps to see if he can iron out the few kinks he has run into.

 

7/11 dominant performances means he is having good outings 64% of the time. For comparison Claudio is at something like 40% and Albers is floating around 53% as far as good outing frequency (calculated by using their last 10-12 outings). Yah, Burnes blowing up when he struggles isn't exactly good, but I think it would be unwise to demote someone finding success as often as he is.

 

Woodruff was the same way to start the year, but in the rotation. His stats overall looked pretty bad, but most of the time he was really dominating...just had too many hiccups. Patience.

[wntrtxn21]

They could send a pitcher down, but I would prefer it not be Corbin Burnes. Since moving to relief he has had mostly really nice outings. Much like Woodruff starting I think he has been doing good, they just need to be patient to work out a few kinks. It isn't like he bombs every single time he walks out there.

 

Agree with not sending Burnes down. I believe the crew will be rewarded with their patience.

 

Imo, no way the crew goes with 7 pen arms, not with the consistent short starts from Anderson Chacín and CCs M/O with the pen.

 

Hiura’s gone on Monday, and won’t be back, barring injury, until Aguilar and or Thames are traded, which I hope is well before the deadline.

 

Burnes has been hit hard too many times to stay in the big leagues. CC can't risk losing games by continually throwing Burnes out there. The majors is not where a young guy should work out his problems. With the Brewer starters not going even 6 innings, CC needs reliable long men. Burnes isn't it right now.

[HiAndTight]

I’d like to see CC sit down with Shaw and say the Brewers are keeping a new set of stats....post IL only. He needs to not feel dragged down by the first 5-6 weeks. He’s got a strong track-record,

 

It was more like the first 7 weeks

 

I'd much rather see CC and Stearns call Shaw and Aguilar in their office and say "If your MLB production doesn't improve between now and the trade deadline, you'll find yourself with limited opportunities for consistent playing time down the stretch on this club, because we can't afford to have offensive black holes at corner IF positions if we really want to win a World Series. If that means we have to make a trade or risk losing one of you to waivers by DFA-ing you, so be it. Stop hitting like pitchers so we don't have a tough decision to make around the AS Break - we don't want it to get to the point where your 2019 struggles become a similar sample size to the periods when you were quality offensive players earlier in your careers we believe you still are, so prove us right."

 

Once Shaw is recalled, I'd really like to see them find a way to keep Hiura up through the AS Break - they have 4 offdays in June sprinkled across what appears to be a very favorable schedule. Seems like they haven't been using the AAA bullpen shuttle too much, and IMO I'd rather they send a pitcher down who still as an option (Burnes, Claudio, etc) to make room for Shaw - I don't think you can take Moose out of the lineup right now, so I wouldn't mind seeing a Shaw at 3rd against righties with Moose at 2nd, then shift Moose to 3rd and give Hiura starts at 2nd against lefties. If they are concerned about super 2 with Hiura, I'd rather they send him down to AAA over the AS Break for a few more weeks, then recall him shortly after the trade deadline. Something tells me this year's trade deadline is going to see the Brewers unloading some of their corner IF excess with hopes of shoring up their MLB bullpen - even if it means having to sell low on guys simply to improve their MLB roster flexibility.

 

 

And this will do what exactly? Make them try harder? Do you really believe they're struggling because they just don't care? Putting more pressure on two guys who've proven the last two years they can hit just makes zero sense and I'm sure as a former player, CC clearly sees this.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Hiura now sporting a .296 BA, .345 OBP, .537 SLG, .882 OPS line at the plate. Small sample but puts him right in the conversation with Grandal and Moustakas for the 2nd best line on the team behind Yelich.

 

Yeah, lets send him down to bring back Shaw and tell our fans that winning is the priority.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Hiura now sporting a .296 BA, .345 OBP, .537 SLG, .882 OPS line at the plate. Small sample but puts him right in the conversation with Grandal and Moustakas for the 2nd best line on the team behind Yelich.

 

Yeah, lets send him down to bring back Shaw and tell our fans that winning is the priority.

 

I get why they would do it if that's what they're doing. That wouldn't stop it from being a bummer, though. Hiura hasn't been perfect, but he has been a shot in the arm for the offense, and one more guy that opposing pitchers have to think about. He's made some rookie mistakes, but that is to be expected. If this does come to fruition, and the next two games are his final two in the majors for awhile, it's been a positive first impression.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Hiura now sporting a .296 BA, .345 OBP, .537 SLG, .882 OPS line at the plate. Small sample but puts him right in the conversation with Grandal and Moustakas for the 2nd best line on the team behind Yelich.

 

Yeah, lets send him down to bring back Shaw and tell our fans that winning is the priority.

 

I get why they would do it if that's what they're doing. That wouldn't stop it from being a bummer, though. Hiura hasn't been perfect, but he has been a shot in the arm for the offense, and one more guy that opposing pitchers have to think about. He's made some rookie mistakes, but that is to be expected. If this does come to fruition, and the next two games are his final two in the majors for awhile, it's been a positive first impression.

 

That's based on the notion of "who else goes?". Which I completely understand since some obvious candidates can't be sent down. But it ignores the more important question which is, why the heck does Shaw need to be brought back up? Winning major league baseball games has no room for doing veterans "courtesies" or "favors". Shaw has done nothing to earn a call-up, much less a swap for Hiura.

[Brew crew 92]

Hiura now sporting a .296 BA, .345 OBP, .537 SLG, .882 OPS line at the plate. Small sample but puts him right in the conversation with Grandal and Moustakas for the 2nd best line on the team behind Yelich.

 

Yeah, lets send him down to bring back Shaw and tell our fans that winning is the priority.

 

I get why they would do it if that's what they're doing. That wouldn't stop it from being a bummer, though. Hiura hasn't been perfect, but he has been a shot in the arm for the offense, and one more guy that opposing pitchers have to think about. He's made some rookie mistakes, but that is to be expected. If this does come to fruition, and the next two games are his final two in the majors for awhile, it's been a positive first impression.

 

That's based on the notion of "who else goes?". Which I completely understand since some obvious candidates can't be sent down. But it ignores the more important question which is, why the heck does Shaw need to be brought back up? Winning major league baseball games has no room for doing veterans "courtesies" or "favors". Shaw has done nothing to earn a call-up, much less a swap for Hiura.

 

It’s time to get Shaw back up, he’s healthy now, we have 6 7 8 weeks for him to turn it around, we need to see if he can do it. We need a productive Travis Shaw. I believe when Travis went down, he was told he’d be back after the short rehab. And I also believe Hiura was told after Shaw comes back, he going back down. Hiura will be back, and I believe it will be before August, Stearns is gonna get rid of Aguilar and Thames.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Hiura now sporting a .296 BA, .345 OBP, .537 SLG, .882 OPS line at the plate. Small sample but puts him right in the conversation with Grandal and Moustakas for the 2nd best line on the team behind Yelich.

 

Yeah, lets send him down to bring back Shaw and tell our fans that winning is the priority.

 

I get why they would do it if that's what they're doing. That wouldn't stop it from being a bummer, though. Hiura hasn't been perfect, but he has been a shot in the arm for the offense, and one more guy that opposing pitchers have to think about. He's made some rookie mistakes, but that is to be expected. If this does come to fruition, and the next two games are his final two in the majors for awhile, it's been a positive first impression.

 

That's based on the notion of "who else goes?". Which I completely understand since some obvious candidates can't be sent down. But it ignores the more important question which is, why the heck does Shaw need to be brought back up? Winning major league baseball games has no room for doing veterans "courtesies" or "favors". Shaw has done nothing to earn a call-up, much less a swap for Hiura.

 

Well, if we are being technical, Shaw was never sent down, so he cannot be brought back up. He's on an injury rehab assignment, and while you can fudge the rules on those at times, when the player is deemed healthy, you kinda have to bring him up. It's the same thing that happened to Nelson last week. His rehab assignment ended, but instead of bringing him back up, they activated him then immediately optioned him to AAA. I'm assuming that the Brewers have deemed Shaw healthy. Now ... they could have done the same exact thing they did with Nelson to Shaw, as he has options remaining. I'm kind of surprised they didn't, actually. I have to think that option is on the table, though, if Shaw comes back up and doesn't show anything. I can't imagine his leash will be very long. This audition showed the team that Hiura is for the most part not in over his head at the ML level. I appreciate that they aren't ready to give up on Shaw, though.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I hold out hope they option a pitcher instead of Hiura...I think he deserves until the AS break to show where he is at. Plenty of days off between now and 4th of July weekend to make it work using a bullpen shuttle if needed with one less arm in the pen, plus Nelson appearing to not be far off.

 

CC said himself that hiura hit himself onto the mlb roster...he sure hasn't hit himself off it. Dude doesn't deserve a demotion right now.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I’d like to see CC sit down with Shaw and say the Brewers are keeping a new set of stats....post IL only. He needs to not feel dragged down by the first 5-6 weeks. He’s got a strong track-record,

 

It was more like the first 7 weeks

 

I'd much rather see CC and Stearns call Shaw and Aguilar in their office and say "If your MLB production doesn't improve between now and the trade deadline, you'll find yourself with limited opportunities for consistent playing time down the stretch on this club, because we can't afford to have offensive black holes at corner IF positions if we really want to win a World Series. If that means we have to make a trade or risk losing one of you to waivers by DFA-ing you, so be it. Stop hitting like pitchers so we don't have a tough decision to make around the AS Break - we don't want it to get to the point where your 2019 struggles become a similar sample size to the periods when you were quality offensive players earlier in your careers we believe you still are, so prove us right."

 

Once Shaw is recalled, I'd really like to see them find a way to keep Hiura up through the AS Break - they have 4 offdays in June sprinkled across what appears to be a very favorable schedule. Seems like they haven't been using the AAA bullpen shuttle too much, and IMO I'd rather they send a pitcher down who still as an option (Burnes, Claudio, etc) to make room for Shaw - I don't think you can take Moose out of the lineup right now, so I wouldn't mind seeing a Shaw at 3rd against righties with Moose at 2nd, then shift Moose to 3rd and give Hiura starts at 2nd against lefties. If they are concerned about super 2 with Hiura, I'd rather they send him down to AAA over the AS Break for a few more weeks, then recall him shortly after the trade deadline. Something tells me this year's trade deadline is going to see the Brewers unloading some of their corner IF excess with hopes of shoring up their MLB bullpen - even if it means having to sell low on guys simply to improve their MLB roster flexibility.

 

 

And this will do what exactly? Make them try harder? Do you really believe they're struggling because they just don't care? Putting more pressure on two guys who've proven the last two years they can hit just makes zero sense and I'm sure as a former player, CC clearly sees this.

 

So putting kid gloves on and telling shaw that early season stats don't matter is a better idea? C'mon, these guys should know that if they dont produce, they don't play. It's not about making them try harder, it's about letting them know the reason they'll still be on the roster after this weekend after a more talented hitter gets sent down to AAA to make room for them is that brewer brass have confidence in them, too. My post was meant to state that I'd rather they all be up front about the reality of the situation - the leashes shaw and Aguilar earned in 2017-2018 should be more or less spent, so if the results aren't there they won't be a big part of the rest of this season for milwaukee.

[CheezWizHed]

Wally Pip says "hi."

[SRB]

Shaw has been brutal overall, but in some ways better than you think. Aside from his strikeouts being way up (which could be a result of him pressing), his batted ball and hard-hit percentages are not significantly different from the last couple years. That lines up with his splits vs. RHP, where he has been mediocre (.284 wOBA), but within the realm of being a bit unlucky over just 120 PA.

 

The problem is that he is basically Ben Sheets against LHP (.098 wOBA !!) and yet Craig has let him accrue almost a quarter of his season PA against LHP (34 of 154). How did that happen with Perez on the team to platoon with him?

 

I know you can never have a perfect platoon where a guy faces 100% his favored pitching, but if Shaw was not facing so many LHP (almost as many as if there was zero platoon effect) then his overall season would not look so horrendous and I think we'd all have more confidence in his HR/FB% going up and his numbers rebounding.

[TJseven7]

Shaw has been brutal overall, but in some ways better than you think. Aside from his strikeouts being way up (which could be a result of him pressing), his batted ball and hard-hit percentages are not significantly different from the last couple years. That lines up with his splits vs. RHP, where he has been mediocre (.284 wOBA), but within the realm of being a bit unlucky over just 120 PA.

 

The problem is that he is basically Ben Sheets against LHP (.098 wOBA !!) and yet Craig has let him accrue almost a quarter of his season PA against LHP (34 of 154). How did that happen with Perez on the team to platoon with him?

 

I know you can never have a perfect platoon where a guy faces 100% his favored pitching, but if Shaw was not facing so many LHP (almost as many as if there was zero platoon effect) then his overall season would not look so horrendous and I think we'd all have more confidence in his HR/FB% going up and his numbers rebounding.

 

All the more reason to make Shaw the new Thames and make it a stricter platoon. When Shaw is back to being himself of course.

 

Games 1-43... 4.72

Games 44-58...5.66

 

Lots of factors go into that but taking a 570 OPS out of the lineup for an 880 is a part of it.

[wntrtxn21]

They could send a pitcher down, but I would prefer it not be Corbin Burnes. Since moving to relief he has had mostly really nice outings. Much like Woodruff starting I think he has been doing good, they just need to be patient to work out a few kinks. It isn't like he bombs every single time he walks out there.

 

Is this in blue? Feels like Burnes has been awful this year, both as a reliever AND a starter...

 

We are talking about 11 outings here....that is a pretty darn small sample. Overall the stats may not look good, but those 7 outings where he didn't give up an earned run were almost all really impressive. It isn't like he is struggling when he puts up zeros...usually he is dominant. I am not really a fan of getting rid of someone who looks dominant that often. I will take a few speed bumps to see if he can iron out the few kinks he has run into.

 

7/11 dominant performances means he is having good outings 64% of the time. For comparison Claudio is at something like 40% and Albers is floating around 53% as far as good outing frequency (calculated by using their last 10-12 outings). Yah, Burnes blowing up when he struggles isn't exactly good, but I think it would be unwise to demote someone finding success as often as he is.

 

Woodruff was the same way to start the year, but in the rotation. His stats overall looked pretty bad, but most of the time he was really dominating...just had too many hiccups. Patience.

 

Burnes has been awful as a reliever. 15 IPs - 16 hits - 15 ERs - 9 BBs - 1.67 WHIP. Obviously much worse as a starter. Either way he has been terrible and needs to go down to work things out.

[TJseven7]

4 appearances allowing 7 3 3 2 in 5 ip is pretty rough though.

 

7 good outings 10IP at a 0.00 ERA

4 bad outings 5IP at a 27.00 ERA

63% good outings

 

When do you go to him? And lets compare...

 

12 good outings 12IP at a 0.00 ERA

4 bad outings 3.2IP at 29.45 ERA

75% good outings

 

Burnes has been very similar to Barnes this year. Sending him down was pretty unanimous. This is not to say anything bad about Burnes. At 24 after flying up the system a lot of us expected great things from Woodruff. 2 years later that's looking like its coming to fruition. After 8 starts at 4.81 ERA at 24. Burnes could need the same thing. Got his majors taste at 24, back to AAA for the year. Next year show up in the 2nd half mostly out of the pen. 2021 the road could be less bumpy. I'm good with a delayed if that nets quality 5 years of control.