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I approve a symbolic bracket because then it makes it all the more easy for me to say Kansas was symbolically the champion.

 

In all seriousness it is really unfortunate to see some of the players have to go out like this. Seems common sense spring athletes would keep a year of eligibility. Winter athletes, no, I don’t get that at all. Yah, sucks they didn’t get their postseason games. I don’t see them deserving of an entire year of eligibility back though. You are basically allowing someone five years of full play. All but 68 teams were completely done and half of those team had one game left.

 

It's not really fair to the incoming freshmen not to mention the sophs and juniors who have been waiting their turn to give another year to the seniors. Only so many minutes available, I do feel bad for Pritzl though.

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Does anyone know if CBS or Turner sports archives old tournament games for viewing? I've been able to find random games on YouTube, but can not find a whole tournament. A few of us had been trying to find Wisconsin's run to the finals in 2015 to watch on Friday.
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Not every pro sport has cancelled events. There are many that have postponed them. Last I saw, the NBA, NHL, and others haven't cancelled the season.

 

The NCAA canceled their biggest money maker and one of the biggest ones in all of sports.

 

I don't get what you are trying to infer. Why would they have not canceled events if they were paying players?

 

The NBA didn't cancel their season, tournament, etc. Neither did the NHL. They postponed them. This means that there is still a chance they could play.

 

The NCAA did cancel, as you stated, the biggest tournaments of the year.

 

Why did the NBA, NHL, etc. not cancel their seasons? My guess is that there is big money involved. Cancelling the season affects the teams, venues, and players monetarily.

 

If the students (in essence "players") were getting paid to play basketball, would they have been more likely to postpone the tournament instead of cancel it? I know the concept of players getting paid in college is not iron clad. Would the players be upset if they would not receive a paycheck for playing in the NCAA tournament? Would people feel bad for them?

 

So... my inference is that the NCAA would have been more likely to postpone it. I'm not saying they would have postponed it instead of cancelled it. I'm simply proposing that the discussions might have been different. Perhaps after 30 days, they would have cancelled it if the virus isn't under control.

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But again the NCAA is dealing with students. There are other sports programs, academics, graduations, etc, to stay on track for. Professional sports leagues don't have to worry about any of that. For every one of their players, this is their livelihood.

 

It is apples to oranges regardless of whether NCAA players were getting paid or not.

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You say the NBA etc. is big money and they didn’t cancel. The tourney is enormous money (one billion) and they canceled. It is also huge money for the venues. Financially the NCAA made the most sense to not cancel. In the pro sports at least you can opt to not pay players tens of millions, NCAA they don’t cost you anything regardless.

 

The TV money is where it is at. That would cover the hypothetical salaries a million times over. No one wanted that tourney to take place more than the NCAA. Salaries are irrelevant, these leagues would make more playing in empty stadiums paying players than they are sitting at home right now.

 

Of course maybe insurance came into play, who knows. I don’t see player salaries effecting anything though.

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I know the point is anything can happen and there's always surprise upsets everywhere but this simulation felt forced. Dont get me wrong, I love that Bucky won it all but with all four 1 seeds leaving early, this seemed pretty far out there.
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I didn't see a general College Basketball thread for this year, but lost in the cancellation of the NCAA tournament was the end of Markus Howard's career at Marquette.

 

Howard finished 21st all time in points scored in NCAA history. Marquette had at least two more games remaining - at least one on the Big East tournament and at least one in the NCAA or NIT tournament. Had those games been played, Howard would easily have passed JJ Redick for 20th all time (only 8 more points than Howard in his career - and Redick played 12 more games than Howard) and possibly Alan Houston for 19th all-time. With a couple of wins in either the Big East tournament or the NCAA or NIT, if Howard had played four more games he could have passed Larry Bird for 16th all-time and possibly Tyler Hansbrough for 15th all time - Howard played 14 fewer games than Hansbrough, and averaged more PPG than Hansbrough did.

 

Doug McDermott is 6th all-time in points, but played 17 more games than Howard did. McDermott averaged 21.7 PPG for his career, Howard 21.6 PPG.

 

Howard was truly a special player, and we were lucky to have been able to watch him play.

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I didn't see a general College Basketball thread for this year, but lost in the cancellation of the NCAA tournament was the end of Markus Howard's career at Marquette.

 

Howard finished 21st all time in points scored in NCAA history. Marquette had at least two more games remaining - at least one on the Big East tournament and at least one in the NCAA or NIT tournament. Had those games been played, Howard would easily have passed JJ Redick for 20th all time (only 8 more points than Howard in his career - and Redick played 12 more games than Howard) and possibly Alan Houston for 19th all-time. With a couple of wins in either the Big East tournament or the NCAA or NIT, if Howard had played four more games he could have passed Larry Bird for 16th all-time and possibly Tyler Hansbrough for 15th all time - Howard played 14 fewer games than Hansbrough, and averaged more PPG than Hansbrough did.

 

Doug McDermott is 6th all-time in points, but played 17 more games than Howard did. McDermott averaged 21.7 PPG for his career, Howard 21.6 PPG.

 

Howard was truly a special player, and we were lucky to have been able to watch him play.

 

There was a Marquette thread but no posts since November.

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I didn't see a general College Basketball thread for this year, but lost in the cancellation of the NCAA tournament was the end of Markus Howard's career at Marquette.

 

Howard finished 21st all time in points scored in NCAA history. Marquette had at least two more games remaining - at least one on the Big East tournament and at least one in the NCAA or NIT tournament. Had those games been played, Howard would easily have passed JJ Redick for 20th all time (only 8 more points than Howard in his career - and Redick played 12 more games than Howard) and possibly Alan Houston for 19th all-time. With a couple of wins in either the Big East tournament or the NCAA or NIT, if Howard had played four more games he could have passed Larry Bird for 16th all-time and possibly Tyler Hansbrough for 15th all time - Howard played 14 fewer games than Hansbrough, and averaged more PPG than Hansbrough did.

 

Doug McDermott is 6th all-time in points, but played 17 more games than Howard did. McDermott averaged 21.7 PPG for his career, Howard 21.6 PPG.

 

Howard was truly a special player, and we were lucky to have been able to watch him play.

 

Talented and all, no question. Yet, I saw him as a complete ball hog, whether it was his fault or not, on a team where he was about forced to shoot more so they had a chance to win. I think he was a big reason why the Hauser boys left. When Howard announced he was staying for his senior year, it didn't take them long to say they were leaving Marquette. Howard's numbers were bound to fill their vacancy. Negative view and all, sure, I guess, but there is a reason he stayed four years without the NBA loudly knocking on his door.

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Probably should just take time away to deal with whatever personal reasons caused him to leave UW & back out on Nebraska. I won’t pretend to know his story or what is going on with him but until whatever it is behind him.... wherever he could end same way.

 

Wish him best wherever he ends up.

Proud member since 2003 (geez ha I was 14 then)

 

FORMERLY BrewCrewWS2008 and YoungGeezy don't even remember other names used

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Played like junk and still won by 15.

 

Bingo. That's 5 MORE points than a "relevant" margin according to NET...in a low scoring game....

 

This is one of my favorite Badger teams of all-time. No team will top the '03 team, but that's for personal reasons (I got my hand in Sports Illustrated after storming the court after beating Illinois for the conference championship...remember when magazines were a thing?).

 

The '13 team is also a favorite, although that's because every other Wisconsin "fan" hates that team and they went 4-0 against the National runner-up Michigan and Offensive Efficiency #1 Indiana that year.

 

The 3 Final 4 teams are pretty high on my list too.

 

 

Also: Big Kudos to Rashard Griffith, Michael Finley and Howard Moore...3 college graduates who Scott Van Pelt recognized tonight for getting their degree.

 

 

So, Gard's job was in jeopardy at some point?!?!?! Seriously?!?!?

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Played like junk and still won by 15.

 

Bingo. That's 5 MORE points than a "relevant" margin according to NET...in a low scoring game....

 

This is one of my favorite Badger teams of all-time. No team will top the '03 team, but that's for personal reasons (I got my hand in Sports Illustrated after storming the court after beating Illinois for the conference championship...remember when magazines were a thing?).

 

The '13 team is also a favorite, although that's because every other Wisconsin "fan" hates that team and they went 4-0 against the National runner-up Michigan and Offensive Efficiency #1 Indiana that year.

 

The 3 Final 4 teams are pretty high on my list too.

 

 

Also: Big Kudos to Rashard Griffith, Michael Finley and Howard Moore...3 college graduates who Scott Van Pelt recognized tonight for getting their degree.

 

 

So, Gard's job was in jeopardy at some point?!?!?! Seriously?!?!?

 

For those with the attention span of a gnat, not by the UW AD office.

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