Wisconsin Basketball Thread 2019 - 20: BIG TEN CHAMPS & BPI NCAA Champs!

[OldHeidelberg]

Wisconsin now playing with eight healthy, eligible scholarship players. Marquette was playing the past two weeks with eight healthy, eligible scholarship players (now nine with Elliot back, but still not 100% on that ankle).

 

Both teams gutting out some tough wins with a short bench.

 

Trice

Ford

Pritzl

Reuvers

Davison

Potter

Anderson

Hedstrom

Wahl

 

I think it's nine but yeah only 8 yesterday, I guess Hedstrom could be hurt and I just wouldn't know it. The good news is they will be at 13(assuming Anderson is now on schollie the rest of his career) next season and only lose Pritzl.

[homer]

Hedstrom is hurt. Out for the year.

[PeaveyFury]

It's mostly window dressing at this point. They probably weren't going to truly contend for a B1G title this year either way (although their next 9 games are all pretty winnable)

 

But my point was that if they hadn't dropped two 'winnable' games, they'd be tied for first right now with that same next 9 games. For all the crap they've dealt with this year, they're like 3 bounces away from being 15-7 or 16-6.

[Oxy]

It's mostly window dressing at this point. They probably weren't going to truly contend for a B1G title this year either way (although their next 9 games are all pretty winnable)

 

But my point was that if they hadn't dropped two 'winnable' games, they'd be tied for first right now with that same next 9 games. For all the crap they've dealt with this year, they're like 3 bounces away from being 15-7 or 16-6.

 

Yeah. The lack of Potter probably cost them 1-3 seed lines. They had Potter during the pair of tough luck losses (and the good luck win(s) vs. Maryland (and to a lesser extent MSU)).

 

Realistically, they are a competitive team that can beat anybody on any given night but they aren't good enough to win the title. A classic baseline Wisconsin team that should be a "floor" type of year for Wisconsin, which says quite a bit for the program. Add in an AA player or even a surefire 1st team All-B1G type guy and it turns into a real B1G title/Final 4 contender. That said, CBB in general is so down this year that you never know.

[tmwiese55]

It's mostly window dressing at this point. They probably weren't going to truly contend for a B1G title this year either way (although their next 9 games are all pretty winnable)

 

But my point was that if they hadn't dropped two 'winnable' games, they'd be tied for first right now with that same next 9 games. For all the crap they've dealt with this year, they're like 3 bounces away from being 15-7 or 16-6.

 

Yea it's kind of crazy. I've been kind of saying the same thing as I've been frustrated with those close Ls and blown leads. For team that looks so blah and is lacking in talent they sure seem to be competing quite well. In most circumstances, that's chalked up to good coaching, but apparently not this one.

[MrTPlush]

It is a Badgers team that their fate will depend on getting favorable match-ups. They can beat good teams (wouldn't say they can beat anyone), but they can also look terrible vs. teams that aren't even that good. Don't think they are good enough to win three games in a row and make the Elite 8, but all you need it the high seed to get majorly upset and your Sweet 16 game isn't very hard.

[wildcat83]

So where does King end up?

[tmwiese55]

I really have no idea and haven't seen any speculation. I'll throw out Iowa St as a guess.

[homer]

So where does King end up?

 

I have no idea what scholarship situations are at these places but based on his recruitment I'd guess Marquette or Iowa St.

[CheezWizHed]

[sarcasm]UW-LaCrosse?[/sarcasm]

[wildcat83]

[sarcasm]UW-LaCrosse?[/sarcasm]

 

He would get A LOT of shots, lol.

 

Just don’t understand a basketball player who sees himself as NBA potential sitting out a year and a half. That’s crazy to me.

[MrTPlush]

He will probably have a legitimate case for a waiver...just a guess. Not sure he will get it, but I am sure he will put together an argument. Probably centered around his mental health and not feeling comfortable at Wisconsin to the point he could not continue to even finish the year. It will probably be a stronger argument than a lot of waivers I have seen granted.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The waivers are granted quite often. No idea what he's going to argue but I think it's fairly obvious he was banking on getting one. I'd be all for him getting to play UW. It would just be fun.

[brwrsfan]

The waiver could be granted, but I don't think he has a real case for it. He was starting, he's already close to home, there hasn't been a coaching change. It's really no different than the Hausers this year, other than they did it in the off-season. Maybe he gets one to play at semester break, but he has no real argument. Though I've given up on anything the NCAA does - half the waivers make no sense, then the ones that really should get one (Potter), don't.

[pacopete4]

He really shouldn't get a waiver unless he can make a case for something egregious the coach has done to him which I haven't seen any evidence of so far. If you have transfer rules, then stick with them. If you just are going to let kids quit in the middle of seasons and move on to another school the next season, then rip up the rules and just have free agency.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The waivers are crap shoots. The fact that he did leave, makes me think someone in his camp already considered this and feels confident they have grounds to get one.

[MrTPlush]

His argument will be Wisconsin pushed him out and/or what was going on effected his mental wellbeing that much. That might be part of the reason he left abruptly mid season. To me that probably will helps his case to get one. How the NCAA responds to that is anyone's guess. I don't know what evidence he will/won't have cause it is no ones business to really know. I don't think he is really a normal case because it isn't simply "the system wasn't the right fit". He felt he was being treated poorly etc.

 

Not saying the Badgers wronged him, but King feels they did. If he can provide enough to make the NCAA agree then he will get the waiver. How strong his case is anyone's guess because no one knows what happened behind the scenes to make King walk out.

 

I am sure they already know what loophole to transfer they want to use, that is usually how it works with a lot of these guys. The one problem he will have is usually the former team makes a big push for you to get one...thinking he may not get that support.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

If he makes the mental wellbeing argument it will be difficult to turn him down. He would most definitely sue at that point and it's probably just a can of worms the NCAA doesn't want to deal with when they can just grant the waiver on a pretty low profile player on a national scale.

[MrTPlush]

If he makes the mental wellbeing argument it will be difficult to turn him down. He would most definitely sue at that point and it's probably just a can of worms the NCAA doesn't want to deal with when they can just grant the waiver on a pretty low profile player on a national scale.

 

That was my thought too. You are getting on a slippery slope trying to decide if his feelings were justified. What are they going to say, nope you shouldn't have had those feelings about that? Is the NCAA going to be as ruthless as fans and call him sensitive?

 

Mental health is a pretty big push these days, especially on college campuses. If he takes that kind of stand, which from his explanation of why he left it seems that way, granting him a waiver seems kind of given. He probably needs to cite what Gard/others were doing, but I doubt it takes much for them to just grant the waiver. They may feel Gard didn't really do anything wrong, but still just side with King on the waiver issue.

[brwrsfan]

There's a big difference between being "treated poorly" and it having a serious effect on his mental health. I agree, if he can prove that to some level, he probably gets the waiver. Though I'm not sure how you do that without very specific examples and/or some sort of psychiatric evaluation. It'll be an interesting case. If he really was that effected and a professional third party agrees, then I'm 100% ok with the waiver. But if that's not part of it and the NCAA just takes his word for it, I think that's a slippery slope because it opens the door for any player to do it if they simply don't like the situation or whatever and play immediately elsewhere.

[tmwiese55]

Yea that's the slippery slope they opened in deciding who's mental well beings are affected and who's aren't. Such as, the Housers mental well being and happiness weren't affected negatively by playing with Howard (in their viewpoint). Micah Potters wasn't by having his coach get fired and a new coach come in that didn't think he was a fit? They might as well just let it be a free for all at this point instead of trying to judge these cases. As I think was posted in the football thread, maybe allowing a one time transfer with no penalty is a simple solution.

[homer]

Iowa held Purdue to 61 points....in the first half.

[yourout]

What a crap half half of basketball on both offense and defense.

[MrTPlush]

Wisconsin really loves living on the bubble. They will be something like 7th- 10th in the Big Ten...basically in a big dog pile towards the middle. Two of those teams next to them absolutely dismantled them. Not to mention 10 losses is getting a bit high at this venture.

 

I think they are still in decent shape if they beat OSU, but if not things can get muddy fast. Lucky for the Badgers most of their tough games from here on out are at home. 13 losses is probably fine and maybe even 14 losses could be acceptable. Though if some of the teams around them go on a tear it could nudge the Badgers out. Feels like some Big Ten teams might end up fighting each other for one of the last spots.

[PeaveyFury]

This team is just a jekyl/hyde home/road team, and that's the case for a lot of BIG teams this year.