Wisconsin Basketball Thread 2019 - 20: BIG TEN CHAMPS & BPI NCAA Champs!

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

To me, that Davison foul looked awfully intentional, and it follows a pattern with him. Considering the timing and game situation, it's inexcusable. Hate to say it, but he's definitely entered Grayson Allen territory with his reputation.

 

I mean, it looked weird and silly, yes. I agree. It's a dumb move, and Davison has this habit of putting himself in bad situations, and we're to the point where he's just not going to get the benefit of the doubt.

 

My question is, what is an F1 call trying to discourage in that scenario? That's a dumb play. Is it dangerous? I don't know. He wasn't cheap-shotting the guy in the groin (which I've seen plenty of times on a basketball court), he wasn't barreling through with an elbow, he wasn't even using the screener as leverage. It just seems really silly that, after the play (as a result of a Wisconsin timeout, no less), you use your monitor privileges to review THAT play. I mean, is that really worth sending a message about little, chippy tactics?

 

Again, no real bearing on the outcome, and I think Davison was wrong. It just seems like a whole lot of effort for something that just isn't that big of a deal, especially when guys are jersey-tugging on screens all the time.

[DuWayne Steurer]

He was absolutely cheap shotting the groin.

 

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2020/1/28/21111937/brad-davison-cheap-shot-wisconsin-badgers-iowa-video-dirty

 

He wasnt fightimg through a screen. He was pulling a Grayson Allen.

 

If anything, based on th e repetitive nature of Davisons infractions, I'd say he should be sat a game, as it has now directly lead to a situation where it influenced a game outcome.

[MrTPlush]

Brad Davison is a loser. I was happy when the flop rule became a thing so I could stop watching Davison try to audition for a theater production instead of playing basketball. Give the guy a break though, he has to find a new cheap way to gain an advantage that doesn’t require actual basketball skills.

[pacopete4]

I would be okay with them moving on from Brad Davison. At what point do you stop defending him and allowing his antics to continue? What a bad look right now for the program with his actions and a player simply not traveling with the team.

[MrTPlush]

I would be okay with them moving on from Brad Davison. At what point do you stop defending him and allowing his antics to continue? What a bad look right now for the program with his actions and a player simply not traveling with the team.

 

I hope there was more to that than just being upset about the direction of the team. A lot of Badger fans hope he comes back, but I would hope he doesn't if the rumors are true. Forget that he is second on the team in scoring, you are pretty much a locker room problem when you bail on your team. Team has to go on the road to Iowa, a huge road conference game in a thick race, and he leaves them high and dry. Even worse they end up losing it by a few points. It looks terrible he would decide to bail on them after they get slaughtered by Purdue in a game where he managed zero points in 28 minutes. Scoring a point or two would probably help the direction of the team. I just don't see how you have a reunion after that, seems like a good time to pack your bags and leave.

 

It really is not a good look for Gard. You got one player ready to quit and another punching guys in the junk to help cost you the game.

[tmwiese55]

I really don't think Davison was doing anything intentional. You swing your arms as you run and he was low to the ground and kind of falling so it looks bad. It's not unimportant to remember the screener was setting an illegal moving screen and slid into that, if he doesn't move it doesn't happen. But, with his past crap he gets no benefit of the doubt and I get that. Also, at this point the pendulum has swung so far on him that he gets no charges called. Any contact with him is called against him. He's actually cut out the exaggerating and flopping, which he should since he gets no calls now. At this point it's probably biased against him, as opposed to his freshman year when he seemed to get every call.

[MrTPlush]

Well, he had no choice on the flopping. He had to stop because there was now a rule to punish floppers. Before there wasn't much risk other than it not getting called and you laying on the floor as the play goes on, making you kind of a liability on defense.

 

One could argue he didn't intentionally punch the guy in the junk the other night. It was not necessarily a blatant shot like the original one he pulled. To me he still hooked the guy which is bad on him, regardless of whether the screen was legal or not. With his history it seemed pretty shady, but what I have seen this year is refs more willing to go to a flagrant or a flagrant two. They called a flagrant two last night on a guy because he pulled the arm when a guy was going up for a layup...seemed like a pretty extreme call when he simply tugged it. Not like he ripped him to the ground on his head. I don't think they are giving much leeway these days and a history of dirty plays won't help the cause.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

He was absolutely cheap shotting the groin.

 

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2020/1/28/21111937/brad-davison-cheap-shot-wisconsin-badgers-iowa-video-dirty

 

He wasnt fightimg through a screen. He was pulling a Grayson Allen.

 

If anything, based on th e repetitive nature of Davisons infractions, I'd say he should be sat a game, as it has now directly lead to a situation where it influenced a game outcome.

 

Do you really see an intentional groin shot on either of those videos? Seriously asking, because when I watch the replays, I see Davison's hand much closer to the knee than the old bean bag.

 

I have no idea what was in Davison's head. As I said, stupid play. But what do you see that makes you "absolutely" sure it was a cheap shot? Again, I just don't see that level of evidence on the video...are you using his reputation as a factor in that claim?

[DuWayne Steurer]

In my opinion, let me be clear on that... Someone that watches that 2nd angle and doesnt see a purposeful nut shot is just being a homer. It is what it is.

 

We all defend our guys. I dont wanna defend that. Thats not "swinging his arm" or playing hard. Guys like Davison who get the rep of being dirty players earn it by being dirty.

 

Play hard. Dont punch guys in the dick.

[RollieTime]

It definitely looked like Davison took a swing at the groin area of the Iowa player. I tried looking at it like he may have been swinging his arm to run, but it certainly looks like it was not a typical arm swing running motion. He swung his arm pretty dang hard in a sort of upper cut motion.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

In my opinion, let me be clear on that... Someone that watches that 2nd angle and doesnt see a purposeful nut shot is just being a homer. It is what it is.

 

We all defend our guys. I dont wanna defend that. Thats not "swinging his arm" or playing hard. Guys like Davison who get the rep of being dirty players earn it by being dirty.

 

Play hard. Dont punch guys in the dick.

 

I agree with most of this, though, I do think if Davison wanted to cheap shot the guy, he would have. I don't see him making contact, even in that second angle, and, having been in those situations, it's pretty easy to actually cheap shot...

 

Bottom line is, stupid move, potentially unsportsmanlike, and a bad look.

 

One thing I will say without reservation is that this team's guards are not good enough. The backcourt needs to play a lot better if they are going to make any kind of run.

[MrTPlush]

I have been on the fence of whether or not I think it was a flagrant foul. The rules regarding a flagrant foul are kind of vague and depends greatly on the reffing crew. Usually it is summed up as excessive and unnecessary contact. It was definitely intentional and unnecessary. Was it excessive, I guess that is debatable. Though I do think the area He decided to start swinging leaves very little wiggle room before it is considered excessive. Similar to the head (the one on top of your shoulders) has a lower level to achieve excessive.

[stoutdude04]

Kobe King transfering. Curious to see if this changes the plans for the Davis bros.

[homer]

Strange timing. Doesn't he know the transfer rules?

[stoutdude04]

Strange timing. Doesn't he know the transfer rules?

 

My first thought as well.

 

Does anyone have any actual knowledge of why hes transfering? Some have speculated being yelled at, others have said the pace of play, etc. I'm curious to find out more.

[nate82]

OK I'm convinced now and Gard needs to go.

[wallus]

Gard is definitely no Bo. I will give him a little more time but this is concerning.

[yourout]

Any bets on whether he ends up in Marquette or in Minnesota?

[MrTPlush]

Doesn’t seem all that strange of timing when you consider circumstances. I am guessing it is more than just disliking how they play, hence why he is suddenly bailing out in the meat of the schedule. Seems like there is probably more behind the scenes that made the relationship really toxic. I would imagine it takes more than that to prefer quitting mid year over playing for your current team.

 

Having someone transferring is one thing, but having them throw in the towel in January is a pretty bad look for Gard. Though to be fair it’s hard to really blame Gard or know how much blame to put on him when there is probably a lot of details we will never know.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Davison has been suspended one game by the Big Ten.

 

Hopefully that sticks with him the next time he decides to punch a guy in the twig and berries.

 

And yes, I do think his reputation, and not just that one action earned him the suspension.

[homer]

It's strange because he waited until 2nd semester. Now he can't get that half a year back. At least that's how I understand it

[MrTPlush]

It's strange because he waited until 2nd semester. Now he can't get that half a year back. At least that's how I understand it

 

Right, though he could always build a case to get a waiver. Which personally I don’t know what even constitutes or doesn’t constitute one.

 

I’d guess something happen of recent that just ticked King off that much. It was probably rocky long before, but something likely was a last straw type deal.

[yourout]

I need to start a pool on who survives longer Granato or Gard.

[superfly]

This basketball organization is circling the toilet bowl and on the verge of being flushed. Gards had his shot, time to cut bait.

[PeaveyFury]

He has two of the best classes in school history lined up for the next two years of recruiting, so I doubt he gets fired this season regardless of how the schedule plays out.