Avengers: Endgame

[RobertR]

I'm annoyed you took offense at your incorrect statement and decided that you had to claim you're right by changing the argument.

 

I don't think anyone will argue that superhero films and cartoons are massively popular and dominating the box office. But, let's not ignore that there are regularly popular films beyond that genre. Popular films that have a return on investment that's very impressive. A Star is Born had a $30 million budget and grossed over $400 million, it might have turned a bigger pure profit than many of the superhero films and certainly had a much higher return on investment. Regardless, it was every bit the popular success that The King's Speech was. A horror film with a $20 million budget that grosses $100 million, which happens regularly, is both popular and ensures more of the like. The success of musicals and quasi-musicals is going to lead to Spielberg's West Side Story and In the Heights getting made. Both of which stand a good chance at being popular and profitable. IT, chapter 2 is going to make a ton.

 

I'll agree, we're not likely to see dramas return to box office prominence any time soon

Or, westerns or buddy cop movies, but I also think genres can reinvent themselves and some of the current state is cyclical.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I didn't change my "argument." I was never in an "argument." I made a hyperbolic statement in response to a rhetorical question as to why those are the "only" movies being made now.

 

I assumed, incorrectly, that most people could figure out that, no, those are not the only movies being made now. But it's not a coincidence that you can see a superhero in a theater basically any month of the year.

 

One poster in particular regularly does this smartest guy on earth bit, picking out exaggerations and playing the role of "well, actually" guy. It's annoying, and I don't feel like being nice about it anymore.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

So ... Endgame was pretty awesome.

[wallus]

So ... Endgame was pretty awesome.

 

I liked it but have read some interesting things other places. One person went on and on about it being a "love letter to the fans". I wouldn't go that far.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

So ... Endgame was pretty awesome.

 

I liked it but have read some interesting things other places. One person went on and on about it being a "love letter to the fans". I wouldn't go that far.

 

It was a very good, solid movie, with plenty of plot holes to pick apart. It had a nice mix of heavy emotion and humor mixed in with well-done action sequences and great callbacks to previous movies and comics. They certainly teased enough to keep me interested in the films they have planned for the next phase. I am not sure how interested I am in a Black Widow movie, though, moreso given the character choices they made with her in this one. I won't say anymore, as to avoid spoiling it for anyone who hasn't seen it.

[RobertR]

Those are the only films that make real money. There was a time even during my life where could make a movie like the English Patient and net $200mm. That just doesn't happen now. There are too many other places to get that type of content, and people prefer to do so at home.

 

 

Again, here's what you said. Which is factually incorrect. Not when we can point to the box office of A Quiet Place, Crazy Rich Asians, Ocean's 8, Halloween, and even the 50 Shades series as big box office winners. Heck, have you seen Green Book's worldwide numbers? Those might not be billion dollar films, but they all cost less than a 5th of superhero films, turned enormous profits, and were very popular.

 

The proper response is "I expressed myself poorly. Here's what I actually meant." Not, "how dare you be a bunch of pedants that should be able to read my mind to know exactly what I meant."

 

Big budget spectacles have been a money maker for a long time, with the birth of television being a key game changer in that respect as movies turned to scale to compete with television. And I think the combination of big screen hdtvs, chi which makes these superhero spectacles possible, and the streaming revolution all playing a role in the current state. But, honestly, I kind of think Endgame is going to be the peak. I don't see a Black Widow prequel or Eternals shattering box office records. It wouldn't be surprising if Black Panther 2 isn't quite the cultural watershed too. Genres tend not to dominate for much beyond 20 years whether musicals, westerns, noir, spy thrillers, slashers, etc. before something else rises up.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

 

The proper response is "I expressed myself poorly. Here's what I actually meant." Not, "how dare you be a bunch of pedants that should be able to read my mind to know exactly what I meant."

 

Since you insist on being so literal, I never said that either. I did react to a specific person who insists on tailing me around the entire site just to nitpick every little thing I say.

 

Also, just to be crystal clear, since that's apparently how we're doing things now, you do realize that the $200mm profit of English Patient in 1996 isn't at all the same as a movie doing that in 2018? Yes those lower budget films have nice margins, but part of my point was that they aren't doing it as often and typically not as large.

 

Sorry guys, ok, low budget films make money in 2019, but they are not doing enough to sustain theaters or studios. That's why so many of these are getting made. Does that pass inspection?

[RobertR]

As long as we're talking box office and superheroes, I think it's worth pointing out that we're only looking at 4 mega successes this year in what should be the high water mark between Captain Marvel, Avengers, Spider-Man, and possibly Joker. X-Men looks like a lame duck with Apocalypse giving a real black eye to the franchise, New Mutants might end up straight to VOD, and Hellboy was a flop. Shazam was a money maker, and a really good movie, but not a blow out success.

 

Next year, only Wonder Woman appears to be a sure thing, although Birds of Prey, Black Widow, and Eternals all have upside potential.

 

I think GotG and Black Panther are the next billion dollar successes and that's a few years out.

 

Disney kind of gutted their library in a mad rush for the Disney+ launch and probably are going to chop off the legs of Aladdin and Toy Story 4 in the process. Obviously Mulan, The Little Mermaid, and Jungle Book 2 have potential, but releasing three remakes a year seems too much.

 

I'm expecting something new to emerge, but no idea what. Maybe Dune will be seen as fresh.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

As long as we're talking box office and superheroes, I think it's worth pointing out that we're only looking at 4 mega successes this year in what should be the high water mark between Captain Marvel, Avengers, Spider-Man, and possibly Joker. X-Men looks like a lame duck with Apocalypse giving a real black eye to the franchise, New Mutants might end up straight to VOD, and Hellboy was a flop. Shazam was a money maker, and a really good movie, but not a blow out success.

 

Next year, only Wonder Woman appears to be a sure thing, although Birds of Prey, Black Widow, and Eternals all have upside potential.

 

I think GotG and Black Panther are the next billion dollar successes and that's a few years out.

 

Disney kind of gutted their library in a mad rush for the Disney+ launch and probably are going to chop off the legs of Aladdin and Toy Story 4 in the process. Obviously Mulan, The Little Mermaid, and Jungle Book 2 have potential, but releasing three remakes a year seems too much.

 

I'm expecting something new to emerge, but no idea what. Maybe Dune will be seen as fresh.

 

X-Men is almost definitely getting rebooted, eventually, under Disney since they acquired Fox's film division.

 

You don't think Spiderman will make $1B, or you mean after this year?

[RobertR]

I don't know if the 7th Spider-Man movie is suddenly going to jump from mid-$700s to a billion. Especially with The Lion King breathing down it's neck. Plus, I don't know if post-Endgame it will be considered a necessary piece of the puzzle or as a stand. Alone epiogue. So, maybe...

[homer]

We just composted about 12 posts...on a thread about a comic book movie. Be better, please.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Semi Spoilery post ahead!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Warning some spoiler s ahead!

 

 

I saw this three days ago, and everything that my mind is telling me is that I really enjoyed this movie. Several massively enjoyable moments. Several insanely absurd comic book moments that have been built up to that just weren't possible until now. I just won't go into further detail, other than to say ridiculous things that you just don't see outside of comic books. Some great character moments. And a story that wildly diverged from the original Infinity War storyline.

 

All that being said, they took a character who has been a Cornerstone for a decade and turned him into a big fat punchline, and never let him redeem himself. The movie, and that characters arc really feels incomplete to me and that's really a shame after 22 movies, taking one of the four main characters and just saying well we aren't going to kill you off we're just going to turn you into a joke now. Dumb....imo

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Semi Spoilery post ahead!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Warning some spoiler s ahead!

 

 

I saw this three days ago, and everything that my mind is telling me is that I really enjoyed this movie. Several massively enjoyable moments. Several insanely absurd comic book moments that have been built up to that just weren't possible until now. I just won't go into further detail, other than to say ridiculous things that you just don't see outside of comic books. Some great character moments. And a story that wildly diverged from the original Infinity War storyline.

 

All that being said, they took a character who has been a Cornerstone for a decade and turned him into a big fat punchline, and never let him redeem himself. The movie, and that characters arc really feels incomplete to me and that's really a shame after 22 movies, taking one of the four main characters and just saying well we aren't going to kill you off we're just going to turn you into a joke now. Dumb....imo

 

The first one of his movies was a total redemption arc, and that's I think what they are setting up again for him. What has made that character so endearing, I think, is that even with immense power, he is still a very flawed character. He also lost basically everything, and blames himself for the snap, which came fresh off of losing his family, half of his people and his homeworld. The guy hasn't had a very good last 5 or so years. The filmmakers are showing that, while yes he is powerful and can even be considered a god, there are still plenty of qualities that humanize him. Yeah, they made light of it in the movie, but when you think about it, its a pretty deep issue. It will be interesting to see where they go next with him. They obviously set up what could be a fun story arc for him and his new crew.

[Baldkin]

X-Men is almost definitely getting rebooted, eventually, under Disney since they acquired Fox's film division.

 

Sophie Turner is starring as Dark Phoenix.

 

[Baldkin]

Guys, there are literally spoiler tags you can use

 

 

Like this

 

[DuWayne Steurer]

Guys, there are literally spoiler tags you can use

 

 

Like this

 

Yeah. On my phone. Hard to use.

[bjkrautk]

Sophie Turner is starring as Dark Phoenix.

 

...in a film that had been scheduled for a March 2018 release, but still isn’t out, based on the same source material (Dark Phoenix Saga) which forced the studio to reboot the franchise, written & directed by one of the same writers who screwed it this story the first time around.

 

Since I can’t actually get my money back from seeing Apocalypse in the theater, the best I can do is avoid making the same mistakes twice (unlike the studio).

[TURBO]

Saw it last night and it was awesome! I'm late to the party I know... I stayed away from this thread for fear of spoilers. Amazingly, I heard no spoilers at all so I was relieved to finally be sitting in the theater with no knowledge of what was about to happen.

 

whew!

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Saw it last night and it was awesome! I'm late to the party I know... I stayed away from this thread for fear of spoilers. Amazingly, I heard no spoilers at all so I was relieved to finally be sitting in the theater with no knowledge of what was about to happen.

 

whew!

 

Bravo to you for being able to operate with high-end blinders regarding this movie. I wish I were as diligent. I say it last Tuesday, but already had a pretty good idea of what was going to happen as i failed at blocking out all the spoilers. They lifted the ban on spoilers this week, so they've been all over. Hell, even the new Spiderman trailer released this week is a massive Endgame spoiler.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Sophie Turner is starring as Dark Phoenix.

 

...in a film that had been scheduled for a March 2018 release, but still isn’t out, based on the same source material (Dark Phoenix Saga) which forced the studio to reboot the franchise, written & directed by one of the same writers who screwed it this story the first time around.

 

Since I can’t actually get my money back from seeing Apocalypse in the theater, the best I can do is avoid making the same mistakes twice (unlike the studio).

 

Yeah this isn't a Disney film. Only on technicality. It's the old Fox regime that Disney has to market since it's already done thus the mostly same cast. But they will 100% reboot it eventually within the MCU.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't know if the 7th Spider-Man movie is suddenly going to jump from mid-$700s to a billion. Especially with The Lion King breathing down it's neck. Plus, I don't know if post-Endgame it will be considered a necessary piece of the puzzle or as a stand. Alone epiogue. So, maybe...

 

Homecoming grossed $880m, but I think you are way off on this. I think this will pull Iron Man 3/Civil War numbers with relative ease. MCU hype is at peak levels, Holland’s Spiderman is the most popular version ever of a hugely popular hero, an A-lister is introduced as a major Marvel villain. The trailer broke the studio record for views at 135M. Whatever is right beneath “lock” I would say that’s where Far From Home is for $1B. Should be highest grossing Spidey film easily.

 

I don’t think MCU madness has reached peak levels as far as I don't see the films dropping off sharply as a group. One film has probably and obviously, every successive film will not do Endgame money, but they have barely scratched the surface of source material and Thanos is not even an upper tier villain in the MCU. IMO there is a loooooot of wind left in those sails. Decades of wind if they time stuff right, which they have done really well thus far; there are no MCU movies out for a year after Spiderman.

[Outlander]

I do think Endgame is peak level but yes Spiderman is very popular and the recent version is well received. Even the animated one did pretty well and was well received.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Highest grossing film is obviously peak, I just think they can keep making $600m-$1B films for quite a long time. I don't think that is a fad on its way out.

[nate82]

Hated Captain Marvel in the comics and hate her even more in the movies. The one comic book character I wish they didn't bring over.

 

I wonder with Deadpool's success if they will bring Blade back.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Hated Captain Marvel in the comics and hate her even more in the movies. The one comic book character I wish they didn't bring over.

 

I wonder with Deadpool's success if they will bring Blade back.

 

I don't like how they wrote Captain Marvel as basically an invulnerable Mary Sue. What makes these characters to appealing, I think, is that they all have human weakness. I don't know why, but they decided to not give Carol Danvers any weaknesses both power wise and human wise. It doesn't help make the character very compelling.