Avengers: Endgame

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Think it deserves a thread as it's going to be perhaps the biggest cinematic event of some of our lives thus far. Boldly exclaim spoilers if you're going to get into that. I'm seeing it tonight at 6pm. I have super high hopes and have really enjoyed so many of these films.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

No one cares about this but me I guess, lol, but this thing is shattering just about every record. At this point it has a shot at toppling Avatar's $2.8B record.

[stoutdude04]

I was just afraid to click it since I havent gotten to see it yet. I'm sure itll crush Avatar. It had 1.2 the first weekend.

 

My friends have all said it's incredibly emotional. To see all 20ish of the films and then have it end. It is bitter sweet.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think it's gonna end up between Avatar and Titanic.

 

Pikachu comes out 5/10 or something, I'm not a fan, but that's going to put a big dent in the worldwide traffic. Then Aladdin follows...none of these will put up those numbers, but they'll do enough to slow it down. I also don't think it has the repeat viewers of Titanic or Avatar, where you had people going to see the spectacle. Even though I personally have seen it twice, which I don't ever do.

 

This is really just an insane year for cinema. Endgame, Pikachu, Aladdin, Toy Story 4, Spiderman, Lion King, Frozen 2, Star Wars, Joker...insane.

[Patrick425]

This is really just an insane year for cinema. Endgame, Pikachu, Aladdin, Toy Story 4, Spiderman, Lion King, Frozen 2, Star Wars, Joker...insane.

 

Do they make any movies anymore that are not based on a superheros, animation, or fantasy?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Those are the only films that make real money. There was a time even during my life where could make a movie like the English Patient and net $200mm. That just doesn't happen now. There are too many other places to get that type of content, and people prefer to do so at home.

 

So, yes, they still make them (I know that was rhetorical), but they don't generate mass publicity. That is reserved for GoT, etc.

 

The formula now is to spend a lot to make a lot. Comics were ideal because the source material was already written and their demographic transcends pretty much anything. Rich, poor, any race, male/female...lots of people read them, know them, or at least think they're fun. Kids, adults, seniors. Even films that tank like Justice League still make money, but now we've seen what happens when they do it right with Avengers.

 

The comic renaissance is more or less saving cinema, for now anyway. Theaters were in very, very serious peril before these started being made. They still are, but it's a slower bleed.

[owbc]

This is really just an insane year for cinema. Endgame, Pikachu, Aladdin, Toy Story 4, Spiderman, Lion King, Frozen 2, Star Wars, Joker...insane.

 

Do they make any movies anymore that are not based on a superheros, animation, or fantasy?

 

Action/superhero movies make sense for the big screen. It's hard to argue the same for other genres. We're in a golden age for TV content right now with all of the competition in the streaming biz. Eventually they will consolidate but for now there are numerous services putting out an incredible number of outstanding shows.

 

I have zero interest in Marvel but I think that's partly because I was never exposed to it as a kid.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I was never exposed to it either. I am a huge Batman fan. When the MCU started to get going, TDK trilogy was in its prime and I was firmly entrenched there. But once TDK ended, DC failed to build and that and then just destroyed Batman/JL. I still think TDK (second film) is the best stand alone hero film. But I can't judge Avengers on that because what they've done over 22 films is remarkable.

 

Infinity War was when I really got pulled in. Now I'm just a huge fan of the whole universe.

[pacopete4]

I think the genre that is lost right now is the comedy world. Not too many comedies out there that will stand the test of time.

 

It is truly amazing how DC failed to capitalize on the Batman trilogy. What a huge miss on their part. Been reeling since then by piecing together their own universe and mainly having lousy movies. What a shame.

 

I am excited to eventually see Endgame. It is a remarkable run for Marvel to do what they have done and to make movies that for the most part line up and make sense within their world.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Difference being that while Marvel did prioritize making good movies and then piecing a universe together, I don't think that was ever Chris Nolan's thing. He was just rebooting Batman and there was no vision of tying a universe together. Heath Ledger dying didn't help things either.

 

Marvel had some success early, then DC tried to sloppily copy what Marvel was taking a decade to build. That doesn't work. Especially not when the movies are trash. The first two Thors are generally viewed as the worst films in that universe and don't even compare to many of the crap films DC made.

 

I think they might finally have something going with Joaquin Phoenix rebooting Joker, but this awful JL mess and the Batman dumpster fire need to be given a break and rebuilt completely.

[OnTheBlack]

I think it's gonna end up between Avatar and Titanic.

 

Pikachu comes out 5/10 or something, I'm not a fan, but that's going to put a big dent in the worldwide traffic. Then Aladdin follows...none of these will put up those numbers, but they'll do enough to slow it down. I also don't think it has the repeat viewers of Titanic or Avatar, where you had people going to see the spectacle. Even though I personally have seen it twice, which I don't ever do.

 

This is really just an insane year for cinema. Endgame, Pikachu, Aladdin, Toy Story 4, Spiderman, Lion King, Frozen 2, Star Wars, Joker...insane.

 

I was in HS when Titanic came out. I went to see that damn movie 4 or 5 times in the theaters and then had to watch it several times after going to Blockbuster to rent it(dating myself here) because that's what any and every girl wanted to watch.

[OnTheBlack]

This is really just an insane year for cinema. Endgame, Pikachu, Aladdin, Toy Story 4, Spiderman, Lion King, Frozen 2, Star Wars, Joker...insane.

 

Do they make any movies anymore that are not based on a superheros, animation, or fantasy?

 

Action/superhero movies make sense for the big screen. It's hard to argue the same for other genres. We're in a golden age for TV content right now with all of the competition in the streaming biz. Eventually they will consolidate but for now there are numerous services putting out an incredible number of outstanding shows.

I have zero interest in Marvel but I think that's partly because I was never exposed to it as a kid.

 

 

We really are. It wasn't long ago that big stars wouldn't do TV shows. Now they're doing them for these different streaming services.

 

The ONLY problem is that some of these shows are not well advertised. Julia Roberts was in a TV show where she plays a behavioral psychologist I believe. It's on Amazon Prime and I never really heard about it until I stumbled across it.

 

These movies also are really suited to the Movie Theater atmosphere. Big, loud, exciting, good old action flicks.

[jerichoholicninja]

This is really just an insane year for cinema. Endgame, Pikachu, Aladdin, Toy Story 4, Spiderman, Lion King, Frozen 2, Star Wars, Joker...insane.

 

Do they make any movies anymore that are not based on a superheros, animation, or fantasy?

 

My wife likes going to see movies in the theater. Any time we try to plan to do it we look at what's playing and it's all comic book movies, action movies, or kids animation so we really don't go to movies. The last few times there's actually been something playing we both want to see we are by far the youngest people in the theater and it's generally full of people about retirement age.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I honestly got theater burnout before this wave of comic stuff, and I was absolutely not a huge comic fan growing up. IMO they just brought fun back to the theater.

 

Movies lost the escapism from the late 90s and into the 2000s. Every film was about corporate greed, some kind of race divide, saving the planet, etc. It stopped being fun. I had enough of that in life, I don't want to pay $20 to see that on the ultrascreen. These are escape movies again and it's fun.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'm taking my 10-year-old to see it tomorrow night. We've been watching one Marvel movie every weekend (in chronological order) since before Christmas. He is pretty emotionally invested in the universe now. We watched Infinity War last weekend, and when it ended, he turned to me and, almost in a mad tone, said "That did NOT go how I imagined it would!" It was kinda funny.

 

To tell you the truth, I'm pretty emotionally invested in these too. I went to go see Iron Man 1 back in 2008 not expecting much, and was very pleasantly surprised. I'm been a huge nerd for them ever since. Like you mentioned OSS, it is truly fun escapism.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

$38 million domestic on a Monday. The only two movies to do more were The Force Awakens and Black Panther, both of which opened on a weekend where Monday was a holiday. For reference, a 59% drop from its Sunday earnings. Infinity War dropped 74%. This movie is defying the box office.

[BillScottCanRake]

Endgame was the first 3d movie I have seen since... I don't know, something from the 80s. I enjoyed that "new to me" aspect very much.

 

As a 3d movie, how does Endgame compare to other movies? Was it really good, or are most 3d movies this good?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I saw it twice in regular mode, 2d?

 

I'm not a fan of 3D, I don't think most are. 3D never really took off the way studios were hoping it would. It seemed gimmicky for most films. Avatar was great for it, but only those kinds of visual spectacles really made it worth it. So I would say that generally, they're not, unless you really love 3D.

[RobertR]

Those are the only films that make real money. There was a time even during my life where could make a movie like the English Patient and net $200mm. That just doesn't happen now. There are too many other places to get that type of content, and people prefer to do so at home.

 

 

Bohemian Rhapsody, A Star is Born, and the horror genre say hello.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Those are the only films that make real money. There was a time even during my life where could make a movie like the English Patient and net $200mm. That just doesn't happen now. There are too many other places to get that type of content, and people prefer to do so at home.

 

 

Bohemian Rhapsody, A Star is Born, and the horror genre say hello.

 

A Star is Born grossed $400 some million worldwide. Suicide Squad, a colossal flop, had a net of $571 million. That places it 100th on the list of the top 100 grossing films of all time. You're talking about a Best Picture nominee, and it doesn't even hold a candle to any MCU film.

 

Get Out was a hit with a worldwide gross of $255m against a $4mm budget.

 

Halloween 2019, commercially and mostly critically successful, $254mm against $10mm

 

Those smash hits aren't even on the same cosmic plane as fantasy/hero relative duds.

 

Bohemian Rhapsody is a once every 5 years success story. My point still holds. Those types of films are not replicable to the point studios can depend on them to keep the lights on. To put it in perspective, Black Panther grossed nearly half a billion dollars more than BR.

 

Ant Man and the Wasp out-grossed A Star is Born by $200mm. That is a C-Tier film for the MCU and one of 4 or 5 they can make in a year. Comparing it to the cream of the crop Oscar nominated films isn't really relevant because the studio is lucky if they can get three of those to make money.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Those are the only films that make real money. There was a time even during my life where could make a movie like the English Patient and net $200mm. That just doesn't happen now. There are too many other places to get that type of content, and people prefer to do so at home.

 

 

Bohemian Rhapsody, A Star is Born, and the horror genre say hello.

 

A Star is Born grossed $400 some million worldwide. Suicide Squad, a colossal flop, had a net of $571 million. That places it 100th on the list of the top 100 grossing films of all time. You're talking about a Best Picture nominee, and it doesn't even hold a candle to any MCU film.

 

Get Out was a hit with a worldwide gross of $255m against a $4mm budget.

 

Halloween 2019, commercially and mostly critically successful, $254mm against $10mm

 

Those smash hits aren't even on the same cosmic plane as fantasy/hero relative duds.

 

Bohemian Rhapsody is a once every 5 years success story. My point still holds. Those types of films are not replicable to the point studios can depend on them to keep the lights on. To put it in perspective, Black Panther grossed nearly half a billion dollars more than BR.

 

Ant Man and the Wasp out-grossed A Star is Born by $200mm. That is a C-Tier film for the MCU and one of 4 or 5 they can make in a year. Comparing it to the cream of the crop Oscar nominated films isn't really relevant because the studio is lucky if they can get three of those to make money.

 

And that is why Marvel Studios will continue to pump out 3-4 releases every year. It's basically printing money. I will say, though, that Marvel does an honorable job reinvesting in solid casting, great special effects and marketing, though. It's going to be very interesting to see where they go from here. They still have mountains and mountains of source material to draw from.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

MCU built a network of stories but they also tried hard to make each one good. For the most part, they have been. They are also cooling it for a bit as there are none currently filming. Spiderman is technically a Sony film, but there are no MCU movies until May of next year.

 

They were also among the first, to, you know, read the source material and film based on it. With Disney's acquisition of 20th Century Fox it seems inevitable the X Men get rebooted and eventually end up in the MCU, but that's probably a ways off. There are already 4 MCU shows launched for Disney +, so if you can oversaturate comics, they're going to do it.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I saw Endgame last night. Without revealing any spoilers, all I can say is WOW! They do a fabulous job tying up the storylines of several characters, while teasing some big ones to come in the next installment of these movies. They did a great job with the callbacks to the other movies over the last decade, without it seeming like a "clip show" type situation.

[xisxisxis]

Those are the only films that make real money. There was a time even during my life where could make a movie like the English Patient and net $200mm. That just doesn't happen now. There are too many other places to get that type of content, and people prefer to do so at home.

 

 

Bohemian Rhapsody, A Star is Born, and the horror genre say hello.

 

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Those smash hits aren't even on the same cosmic plane as fantasy/hero relative duds.

 

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That wasn't what you stated. You stated "There was a time even during my life where could make a movie like the English Patient and net $200mm. That just doesn't happen now." As Robert clearly pointed out that statement wasn't correct. If you want to now state that the largest margins are seen with fantasy movies I don't think you would get much argument.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Yeah, OK. The Brewerfan pedants are correct. Have a beer. Pat yourself on the back. I should have amended my original comment to say "they can't reliably make drama films with no real special effects to make their balance sheet look nice." Then I would have appeased you. Anything else you would like left at your feet?

 

Some of you really get your rocks off just needlessly nitpicking the dumbest crap. If I sound annoyed, I am.

 

The point I was making is still 100% accurate.

 

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

 

Go down the line of those films and count how many are comps to Bohemian Rhapsody. I would actually amend my once in 5 years success story to say a film like that making almost $1B in more like once every two decades. You cherry picked one film. A film that will make less than Detective Pikachu coming out next weekend.