Milwaukee Bucks 2019 playoffs Rd 2 vs Boston Celtics

[OnTheBlack]

Wow so they just stop it at 2-0 now? That's kinda cool, should shorten the playoffs a bit.

 

Do I really need to precede every statement of mine with "I think", or was the intent and meaning of my post understood?

 

 

I think pretty much everyone would agree that if the Bucks lose the first two at HOME the series is likely over.

[OnTheBlack]

Bucks look like they're playing their 2nd preseason game. Boston has been really good but not "hold the Bucks to 33% shooting" good. That's not their 3-point percentage by the way. That's from the field.

 

Sure looks like they have. Unless you're of the opinion the young, long athletes who are contesting every shot really aren't good and you need to stick to that narrative.

 

Boston's defense was absolutely suffocating tonight. The Bucks came back in the 2nd by making some REALLY tough shots that they were never going to sustain(Middleton's 3 point play, Hill's 35 footer)....

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Bucks look like they're playing their 2nd preseason game. Boston has been really good but not "hold the Bucks to 33% shooting" good. That's not their 3-point percentage by the way. That's from the field.

 

Sure looks like they have. Unless you're of the opinion the young, long athletes who are contesting every shot really aren't good and you need to stick to that narrative.

 

Boston's defense was absolutely suffocating tonight. The Bucks came back in the 2nd by making some REALLY tough shots that they were never going to sustain(Middleton's 3 point play, Hill's 35 footer)....

 

 

Dude. We get it.

[OnTheBlack]

Bucks look like they're playing their 2nd preseason game. Boston has been really good but not "hold the Bucks to 33% shooting" good. That's not their 3-point percentage by the way. That's from the field.

 

Sure looks like they have. Unless you're of the opinion the young, long athletes who are contesting every shot really aren't good and you need to stick to that narrative.

 

Boston's defense was absolutely suffocating tonight. The Bucks came back in the 2nd by making some REALLY tough shots that they were never going to sustain(Middleton's 3 point play, Hill's 35 footer)....

 

 

Dude. We get it.

 

 

Who's we?

[nate82]

Connaughton and Brown need to be playing off the bench and not playing as many significant minutes as they have been. It was fine against Detroit but not against Boston. Brogdon needs to hurry up and get healthy as this team needs him to be playing and starting at the 2. The only good thing from this game was Middleton and Hill beyond those two and Mirotic a little bit this team was just awful to watch. Giannis was bad like rookie Giannis bad and Bledsoe was just horrible for spurts he had a few spots where he was good.

 

The big worry for me is the play of Connaughton and Brown. If neither of them can bring anything positive to the team in game 2 the Bucks could go down 0-2 and be in a really bad spot. I still believe the Bucks will win in 6-games and will have a bounce back game in game 2.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

They're deep and a matchup problem. I don't think everyone needs that repeated when they give a potential reason that the sky isn't falling yet. You two are trying to convince that the series is over if the Bucks lose a game two that hasn't occurred.

 

Also, what's with this "I told you all Boston is good!" thing. I don't know anyone that expected this to be easy for the Bucks.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Wow so they just stop it at 2-0 now? That's kinda cool, should shorten the playoffs a bit.

 

Do I really need to precede every statement of mine with "I think", or was the intent and meaning of my post understood?

 

 

I think pretty much everyone would agree that if the Bucks lose the first two at HOME the series is likely over.

 

Not me.

[OnTheBlack]

They're deep and a matchup problem. I don't think everyone needs that repeated when they give a potential reason that the sky isn't falling yet. You two are trying to convince that the series is over if the Bucks lose a game two that hasn't occurred.

 

Also, what's with this "I told you all Boston is good!" thing. I don't know anyone that expected this to be easy for the Bucks.

 

 

Pretty sure I said it's LIKELY over if they lose a game 2. LIKELY. In that it's UNLIKELY that if they were to go down 0-2 losing both games at home I think it's UNLIKELY that they would come back and win.

 

I also said that I still think they'll win the series.

 

But when people are saying it wasn't really Boston's D that shut us down or trying to downplay it, I'm not allowed to disagree?

 

Also, you didn't seem to get quite as upset when I said I thought this was going to be a tough series and you threw out ridiculous reasons for why I might think that like suggesting it was because Boston's historical standing as an NBA franchise instead of their current talent. So...it doesn't seem like you get it. If you believe that the series isn't "likely" over if they lose game 2, I think don't get it.

[OnTheBlack]

 

I think pretty much everyone would agree that if the Bucks lose the first two at HOME the series is likely over.

 

Not me.

 

 

Well, you're more confident than me. I think this team is going to have a real hard time winning 4 out of the follow 5 games after losing two at home...IF they were to lose game 2.

[adambr2]

I think Game 2 is enormous, yes.

 

I think a 2-0 hole going on the road is too much to dig out of. Even if you steal one in Boston after that, 3-1 is a bad spot to be in.

[coolhandluke121]

Bucks look like they're playing their 2nd preseason game. Boston has been really good but not "hold the Bucks to 33% shooting" good. That's not their 3-point percentage by the way. That's from the field.

 

Sure looks like they have.

 

Seriously? Nobody is that good, not even the best defensive teams of all time and certainly not this Boston team. The Bucks had plenty of open looks. They also didn't move the ball crisply and multiple guys forgot how to dribble. Can't even count the number of times they randomly fumbled it for no reason. Then they regressed to some hero-ball drive-into-traffic crap because they couldn't shoot to save their lives. Boston was good but this was all about the Bucks not getting out of their own way. They looked like they hadn't played a serious, meaningful game in about a month.

[OnTheBlack]

Bucks look like they're playing their 2nd preseason game. Boston has been really good but not "hold the Bucks to 33% shooting" good. That's not their 3-point percentage by the way. That's from the field.

 

Sure looks like they have.

 

Seriously? Nobody is that good, not even the best defensive teams of all time and certainly not this Boston team. The Bucks had plenty of open looks. They also didn't move the ball crisply and multiple guys forgot how to dribble. Can't even count the number of times they randomly fumbled it for no reason. Then they regressed to some hero-ball drive-into-traffic crap because they couldn't shoot to save their lives. Boston was good but this was all about the Bucks not getting out of their own way. They looked like they hadn't played a serious, meaningful game in about a month.

 

 

Wow....it was ALL about the Bucks not getting out of their own way? This game would have been over in the first half if they hadn't hit so many difficult 3's(along with some other tough shots like the plays I mentioned).

 

And are you really going with the argument that the Bucks played poorly because they didn't play meaningful games late in the season? Yet you just flat out dismiss all the Celtics young players or the fact that their first round series was as easier as ours with the Pacers best player out for that series.

 

Both teams came in fresh, both teams had reason to be rusty. One team had a MUCH better game plan.

 

I'd heard the reason why this shouldn't be that tough of a series was because the Bucks had great talent AND a great coach and how Boston wasn't on our level. They look pretty securely on our level and people seem to forget they have a pretty good coach as well.

 

The first half wasn't much different from the 2nd half other than one run in which they hit a lot of contested 3's. The Bucks didn't have a game plan for when Lopez was on the field, they didn't have an answer for the Celts D on Giannis, and JUST maybe they didn't forget to dribble so much as they played a very long, athletic team that trapped when they ran out of room in the corner or in the paint and got a lot of deflections when the Bucks players tried to step through said double teams to pass the ball.

 

It looked like what Kidd TRIED and failed to do defensively. Attacking and trapping. Though they were obviously more selective.

 

 

 

 

Whatever. Game 1 is over. The Bucks were never going to run through the playoffs like the Jordan, Rodman, Pippen Bulls. I still think we win the series and there's a better than even chance the East winner beats the Houston/GS winner in the West.

[OnTheBlack]

I think Game 2 is enormous, yes.

 

I think a 2-0 hole going on the road is too much to dig out of. Even if you steal one in Boston after that, 3-1 is a bad spot to be in.

 

 

I think realistically everyone thinks that.

 

I know the teams are different, but didn't the home team win every game last year in this series? I might be thinking about the Toronto series, but I thought it was last year.

[FVBrewerFan]

Boston had a game plan, they were confident, and exected. Bucks were tight, that's on Bud. Was my biggest concern entering playoffs, that they slow down and stop doing whay makes them great. Moving the ball, moving bodies and getting a high % shot. We saw a lot of standing. Also, a lot of guys just freaking out. Doing things they dont normally do. Quick example, 4 different times I saw them try to dribble a loose ball instead of grabbing it. Another, Bledsoe driving but very indecisive what to do then.

 

I would tell Giannis forget about scoring in the 1st quarter. Just move the ball quickly, find the shooters. It will open up, but he needs to keep moving not stand there and dribble and then decide to attack. Theyre never going to let him do that when there's time to anticipate.

[adambr2]

I'll add that the rotations tonight were horrendous.

 

We're not going to win these games the same way we won in the regular season, and I do find it concerning that Coach Budd doesn't seem to recognize the difference, as good of a regular season coach as he was.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

They're deep and a matchup problem. I don't think everyone needs that repeated when they give a potential reason that the sky isn't falling yet. You two are trying to convince that the series is over if the Bucks lose a game two that hasn't occurred.

 

Also, what's with this "I told you all Boston is good!" thing. I don't know anyone that expected this to be easy for the Bucks.

 

 

Pretty sure I said it's LIKELY over if they lose a game 2. LIKELY. In that it's UNLIKELY that if they were to go down 0-2 losing both games at home I think it's UNLIKELY that they would come back and win.

 

I also said that I still think they'll win the series.

 

But when people are saying it wasn't really Boston's D that shut us down or trying to downplay it, I'm not allowed to disagree?

 

Also, you didn't seem to get quite as upset when I said I thought this was going to be a tough series and you threw out ridiculous reasons for why I might think that like suggesting it was because Boston's historical standing as an NBA franchise instead of their current talent. So...it doesn't seem like you get it. If you believe that the series isn't "likely" over if they lose game 2, I think don't get it.

 

 

Settle down man. I never referred to you directly at any point pregame. You seem like a really angry guy.

[coolhandluke121]

 

Wow....it was ALL about the Bucks not getting out of their own way? This game would have been over in the first half if they hadn't hit so many difficult 3's(along with some other tough shots like the plays I mentioned).

 

And are you really going with the argument that the Bucks played poorly because they didn't play meaningful games late in the season?

 

First off, you do need to settle down like OSS said. You're coming off as the guy who said the sky is going to fall and then angrily says "I told you so" after an ordinary thunderstorm. This is the same Bucks team that lost to the Suns twice and they lay a few eggs. On to Tuesday.

 

And yes, the Bucks came out completely flat. Giannis was terrible. Horford is a decent guy to have against him, but Horford was a better player last year, Giannis was not as good as he is now, and Giannis still averaged over 26 ppg on 58% ts in just 28 mpg in last year's playoffs despite having much worse floor spacing from his teammates. They also made a lot of unforced turnovers and missed wide open 3's. They played awful and would have lost to just about any team in the playoffs today except maybe Detroit. And Boston probably played the best they've played all year.

 

Philly and Toronto lost game 1 against much worse teams in the first round. Basketball happened today. The Bucks threw away their margin of error but they did not do anything they're not perfectly capable of correcting.

[adambr2]

Whatever happens in Game 2, I'm glad they play again Tuesday. 2 off days is too long to sit on this one.

[coolhandluke121]

Boston had a game plan, they were confident, and exected. Bucks were tight, that's on Bud. Was my biggest concern entering playoffs, that they slow down and stop doing whay makes them great. Moving the ball, moving bodies and getting a high % shot. We saw a lot of standing. Also, a lot of guys just freaking out. Doing things they dont normally do. Quick example, 4 different times I saw them try to dribble a loose ball instead of grabbing it. Another, Bledsoe driving but very indecisive what to do then.

 

I would tell Giannis forget about scoring in the 1st quarter. Just move the ball quickly, find the shooters. It will open up, but he needs to keep moving not stand there and dribble and then decide to attack. Theyre never going to let him do that when there's time to anticipate.

 

This is pretty much exactly what happened. They were awful and did all kinds of stuff they don't normally do, not to mention shooting terrible. No, making a few really tough shots doesn't make up for missing a bunch of wide open ones. They shot horribly and Boston shot great. Is the #3 ORTG team suddenly that bad? Of course not. And the #10 ORTG team is not suddenly prime GSW either, especially not against the league's #1 defense.

 

They also legit freaked out. Hate to say it, but it gives a lot of credence to anyone who said playoff experience would make a big difference. They played some pretty big games against Boston and Toronto the last two years, so I didn't think they'd shrink like George Costanza after a cold swim, but they did. It was embarrassing, but personnel is still not the concern IMO.

 

The only thing I disagree with is putting it on Bud. He can't make them grow a pair. Here's hoping they do on their own before Tuesday night.

[OnTheBlack]

 

Wow....it was ALL about the Bucks not getting out of their own way? This game would have been over in the first half if they hadn't hit so many difficult 3's(along with some other tough shots like the plays I mentioned).

 

And are you really going with the argument that the Bucks played poorly because they didn't play meaningful games late in the season?

 

First off, you do need to settle down like OSS said. You're coming off as the guy who said the sky is going to fall and then angrily says "I told you so" after an ordinary thunderstorm. This is the same Bucks team that lost to the Suns twice and they lay a few eggs. On to Tuesday.

 

And yes, the Bucks came out completely flat. Giannis was terrible. Horford is a decent guy to have against him, but Horford was a better player last year, Giannis was not as good as he is now, and Giannis still averaged over 26 ppg on 58% ts in just 28 mpg in last year's playoffs despite having much worse floor spacing from his teammates. They also made a lot of unforced turnovers and missed wide open 3's. They played awful and would have lost to just about any team in the playoffs today except maybe Detroit. And Boston probably played the best they've played all year.

 

Philly and Toronto lost game 1 against much worse teams in the first round. Basketball happened today. The Bucks threw away their margin of error but they did not do anything they're not perfectly capable of correcting.

 

 

There is not a single human being on this board that it'd take more nerve to call someone else out for saying "I told you so." It's just laughable.

 

Second, never said the sky was falling. In fact, reading comprehension is HUGE here. I said I believe the Bucks would still win the series. I said the Celts were a touch matchup and you went on and posted how many times about how terrible Brown, Tatum and Rozier were, how Horford has lost a step. And even now you're bringing up regular season losses to the Suns. It's as if you're really unable to differentiate regular season basketball and playoff basketball. I'll enlighten you. Benches get shorter, matchup's matter more. So you want to run your mouth when I say I think it's going to be a touch matchup and then they go and get blown out in game 1, yeah lukey, I don't mind saying I told you so one bit.

[OnTheBlack]

They're deep and a matchup problem. I don't think everyone needs that repeated when they give a potential reason that the sky isn't falling yet. You two are trying to convince that the series is over if the Bucks lose a game two that hasn't occurred.

 

Also, what's with this "I told you all Boston is good!" thing. I don't know anyone that expected this to be easy for the Bucks.

 

 

Pretty sure I said it's LIKELY over if they lose a game 2. LIKELY. In that it's UNLIKELY that if they were to go down 0-2 losing both games at home I think it's UNLIKELY that they would come back and win.

 

I also said that I still think they'll win the series.

 

But when people are saying it wasn't really Boston's D that shut us down or trying to downplay it, I'm not allowed to disagree?

 

Also, you didn't seem to get quite as upset when I said I thought this was going to be a tough series and you threw out ridiculous reasons for why I might think that like suggesting it was because Boston's historical standing as an NBA franchise instead of their current talent. So...it doesn't seem like you get it. If you believe that the series isn't "likely" over if they lose game 2, I think don't get it.

 

 

Settle down man. I never referred to you directly at any point pregame. You seem like a really angry guy.

 

I never said you did. You did say that I was trying to convince people the series was over if they lost a game that hadn't played yet. I would say most people would think the Bucks are done if they go down 2-0. It's just going to be real hard and they're unlikely to win 4 out of 5 when 3 of those 5 would be in Boston.

 

And you're right, you're not the one calling people out before hand if they don't happen to agree with you 100 pct of the time. I don't think I'm angry, I'd say more irked after an ugly game and what a consider a pretty arrogant poster(not you). But I'd have had to take Pysch at UW and that wasn't what I personally studied, so maybe someone else would be better to ask.

[HiAndTight]

 

Wow....it was ALL about the Bucks not getting out of their own way? This game would have been over in the first half if they hadn't hit so many difficult 3's(along with some other tough shots like the plays I mentioned).

 

And are you really going with the argument that the Bucks played poorly because they didn't play meaningful games late in the season?

 

First off, you do need to settle down like OSS said. You're coming off as the guy who said the sky is going to fall and then angrily says "I told you so" after an ordinary thunderstorm. This is the same Bucks team that lost to the Suns twice and they lay a few eggs. On to Tuesday.

 

And yes, the Bucks came out completely flat. Giannis was terrible. Horford is a decent guy to have against him, but Horford was a better player last year, Giannis was not as good as he is now, and Giannis still averaged over 26 ppg on 58% ts in just 28 mpg in last year's playoffs despite having much worse floor spacing from his teammates. They also made a lot of unforced turnovers and missed wide open 3's. They played awful and would have lost to just about any team in the playoffs today except maybe Detroit. And Boston probably played the best they've played all year.

 

Philly and Toronto lost game 1 against much worse teams in the first round. Basketball happened today. The Bucks threw away their margin of error but they did not do anything they're not perfectly capable of correcting.

 

You still can't just give Boston a little credit? I don't believe that they'd have lost to any team by 20+ tonight. I think Boston played well, the Bucks played poorly, but you're pretty much saying that it's just the Bucks and not a result of a really talented Boston team with the same coach everyone was calling one of the best couple coaches in the NBA this year.

 

The Piston's are a bad team, but they have a good big who is a good rim protector and Giannis made him look like a fool. Horford took Giannis' lunch money today, and Morris and company took what was left over. If not for Middleton and Mirotic having a hot stretch, the Celts likely would have had Kyrie and Heyward on the bench in the 4th quarter of a 30 point blowout.

 

We'll see how good of a coach Bud is when they come back on Tuesday. Not being able to play Lopez much in this series may really end up hurting us(though I don't know how much he'll be able to play the rest of the way either given the matchup's).

 

But they talked before the game about the Celts giving the appearance of helping...they did and outstanding job of waiting to see what Giannis was going to do, if he was going to beat Horford before completely leaving the 3 point shooters and Giannis for the first time had zero answers and looked as bad as he's looked in a couple years. Though he did knock down a couple 3's.

 

 

Just...get game 2, get Brogdon back and HOPEFULLY get some calls on the guys defending Giannis. Whoever pointed out that they didn't want to complain about the refs because we shot more FT's, we were attacking all game long, Giannis in particular. If they call Horford for a few foulds, now you have Morris in there, he can't go up and meet Giannis...though he's a respectable defender, that changes the game.

 

It's also tough when Gordon plays the way he did. You know Kyrie is going to get his. You can't let Jaylen Brown and Gordon Heyward to had big games as well.

 

 

I'd comment on what Bledsoe did, but I don't have any clue. Is Rozier REALLY in that dude's head that much? He's an ELITE PG who was just out of control...and with him, it wasn't really forced. Yeah, Tatum and Brown and the team is long, but he was dribbing in circles before either turning it over or making some errant pass.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't think the Bucks are going to shoot 35% for a series nor will Boston shoot 54%. Maybe that continues. I'm sure their defense had something to do with it, but the Bucks were definitely missing a lot of makable shots. Even with the best record in the NBA they lost 1/4 of their games. Sooner or later they were going to drop a playoff stinker. Against a team this good, they don't need a lot of room to make you look really bad.

 

I'm not worried. I expect the Bucks to come out tomorrow and win running away, then steal one in Boston and it's back where it has to be. I might amend my Bucks in 6 to Bucks in 7, but we'll see.

[pacopete4]

Bucks in 6.. am I right?

[coolhandluke121]

I don't think the Bucks are going to shoot 35% for a series nor will Boston shoot 54%.

 

Sure they will. Boston is much better than Milwaukee and one playoff game trumps 82 regular season games. Anybody who couldn't see this coming just had their head in the sand. Boston routinely held top-5 offenses to 35% shooting throughout the regular season and played like the greatest offensive team of all time, even against the best defensive team in the NBA.