Brent Suter Tommy John Update (August 4: Transferred to AA Biloxi)

[Roderick]

Plus I think just having him in the clubhouse is a big positive. I'd hire him for team chemistry supervisor when his playing days are over.

[IIAY]

I realize that Wins as a stat is pretty overrated, but who had Suter with more wins (2) than Burnes and Nelson combined (1) when the year started?

[bjkrautk]

I'm happy that Suter is pitching well, and especially that the Brewers are giving him days off between outings.

[Outlander]

Over the past week Brent Suter has pitched 7.0 scoreless innings while allowing just 2 hits. He is definitely having a positive impact during the current winning streak. Hopefully he can continue to serve as a middle inning bullpen anchor in close games.

 

Who would have thought that Suter of all people would be this season's version of 2018 Burnes?

 

Suter. Me.

Clancy for sure.

[Brew crew 92]

Clancy should get the best ever observational prediction regarding Brent Suter year’s before the rest of us caught on.

 

Well done sir.

[DHonks]

Clancy should get the best ever observational prediction regarding Brent Suter year’s before the rest of us caught on.

 

Well done sir.

 

Clancy also has Suter catching on days he isn't pitching.

[clancyphile]

Clancy should get the best ever observational prediction regarding Brent Suter year’s before the rest of us caught on.

 

Well done sir.

 

Clancy also has Suter catching on days he isn't pitching.

 

Don't think I went so far as to have him catching...

 

But really, it was just looking at some stat lines... and figured something good was happening. Especially after his first run at Colorado Springs - where pitchers get clubbed like baby seals in the Canadian arctic - and he was posting a sub-4.00 ERA.

 

The stats don't always work. I got burned by Ronnie Gideon, but I think that same approach worked well in pegging the (eventual) success of Garrett Cooper. I think Troy Stokes will be seen as one the Crew let get away, and we will wish he was still a Brewer pretty soon. I think David Fry may be a better catcher prospect than Feliciano and Henry - although Feliciano could make it very very very close. I think Roegner and Sunitsch will be just as good as Small and Ashby.

 

Just look at my Top 25 ballots - you may find some interesting folks to keep an eye on.

[RollieTime]

Clancy should get the best ever observational prediction regarding Brent Suter year’s before the rest of us caught on.

 

Well done sir.

 

Clancy also has Suter catching on days he isn't pitching.

 

Don't think I went so far as to have him catching...

 

But really, it was just looking at some stat lines... and figured something good was happening. Especially after his first run at Colorado Springs - where pitchers get clubbed like baby seals in the Canadian arctic - and he was posting a sub-4.00 ERA.

 

The stats don't always work. I got burned by Ronnie Gideon, but I think that same approach worked well in pegging the (eventual) success of Garrett Cooper. I think Troy Stokes will be seen as one the Crew let get away, and we will wish he was still a Brewer pretty soon. I think David Fry may be a better catcher prospect than Feliciano and Henry - although Feliciano could make it very very very close. I think Roegner and Sunitsch will be just as good as Small and Ashby.

 

Just look at my Top 25 ballots - you may find some interesting folks to keep an eye on.

 

Well done Clancy, well done!

[jerichoholicninja]

There are like 2 pitchers in the majors like Suter. He's basically the equivalent of a left handed submarine knuckleballer, i.e. someone so unlike any other pitcher in baseball batters are going to struggle because they never see it. Most pitchers these days are 95 and up with power breaking stuff. Then Suter comes along and just keeps pumping in BP fastballs and loopy curves and hitters don't know what to do with it.

[torts]

at a pace of fastforward

[TURBO]

My favorite thing about Suter is the pace of the game when he throws.

 

Get the ball, throw the ball. Get the ball, throw the ball.

 

This is what MLB needs more than anything...

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Suter is joining Carlos Gomez on my list of all-time favorite Brewers, albeit for pretty much entirely different reasons.

 

Just an easy guy to root for. I think I like him in this kind of bullpen swing role too!

[KeithStone53151]

The Brewers are 14-3 since Suter met up with the club on August 31st. Just saying...

[tmwiese55]

I wonder if this change of pace type role is the best spot for him longer term as opposed to a normal starter type of role. Obviously he should only go through a lineup one time this way. It catches a team off balance. With how good he's looked its sure tempting to think of him starting but we'll see for next. Great guy to have on a team like ours who likely won't have many starters who can go deep in games.

 

Anyone have any data on his pitches, seems like he's throwing a bit harder. Wonder if it's true.

[zurch1818]

 

Anyone have any data on his pitches, seems like he's throwing a bit harder. Wonder if it's true.

 

From what I can tell, his FB velocity is 88 up from his career average of 86.6. He has a ground ball rate of 61% which his career is 40%. His K% is up slightly and has yet to walk a batter this year. In addition to this, his xwoba is .180 which is roughly 50 points lower than Hader's.

 

With an unusually low babip from his career average, my prediction is there will may be a less than pleasant correction with the sample getting larger. If he can keep his GB rate where it is, he should be able to keep the homers off the scoreboard which is what killed him last year.

 

Maybe his new role could explain some of these numbers?

 

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[Roderick]

 

Maybe his new role could explain some of these numbers?

 

His role as Vice President of Clubhouse Chemistry? He always had that role.

[topper09er]

 

From what I can tell, his FB velocity is 88 up from his career average of 86.6.

 

I find it crazy that no one seems to care about this yet using steroids makes you the biggest criminal of all-time. This player had the muscles in his arm artificially improved with a surgery in a provable way with his velocity, yet no problem. How is this not considered cheating? Artificially gain some unquantifiable advantage from whatever Braun took, suspended.

[Roderick]

double up

[Roderick]

 

From what I can tell, his FB velocity is 88 up from his career average of 86.6.

 

I find it crazy that no one seems to care about this yet using steroids makes you the biggest criminal of all-time. This player had the muscles in his arm artificially improved with a surgery in a provable way with his velocity, yet no problem. How is this not considered cheating? Artificially gain some unquantifiable advantage from whatever Braun took, suspended.

 

I think you are taking this a little out of proportion. Because it is what everybody has decided on as to what is fair for MLB. Same as they decided vitamins were okay.

 

Maybe some day they will have an everything goes baseball league with cyborgs. I kind of hope one day they allow an "any steriod is okay" version of the olympics so we can see what the human body can do under those conditions without hiding the use.

 

Plus Suter's prior average would also include where he started or did long relief. If he knows he is only going 1-2 innings, you don't have to hold back any energy either. He could have probably had 88 average FB under short relief before.

[long ball]

McCalvy had some notes on Suter yesterday. He has refined his mechanics a little bit.

 

Key factors in his effective comeback, Suter said, are improved flexibility and an altered delivery. Put together, those factors leave him in a better body position at the moment his front foot strikes the ground. That has made a positive difference in his recovery between outings, Suter said.

 

https://www.mlb.com/brewers/news/brent-suter-having-big-september-for-brewers

[tmwiese55]

 

From what I can tell, his FB velocity is 88 up from his career average of 86.6.

 

I find it crazy that no one seems to care about this yet using steroids makes you the biggest criminal of all-time. This player had the muscles in his arm artificially improved with a surgery in a provable way with his velocity, yet no problem. How is this not considered cheating? Artificially gain some unquantifiable advantage from whatever Braun took, suspended.

 

As someone who is not up in arms about PEDs I've made that same point over the years several times. It's all about the integrity of the records and how folks 70 years ago didn't have this etc, you can't take some extra testosterone or you're the devil. But you can take a ligament from another human and insert it in your body. Another one is laser eye surgery or even just contacts in general. Is not the medical advantages of ACL/Knee surgeries now not an performance enhancement not available to Mickey Mantle (who had his career hurt by fluke knee injury). Note, this isn't argument that these things shouldn't be allowed, as I fully agree they should. It's an argument that the obsession and holier than thou attitudes about PEDs are a bit overboard, imo.

[stoutdude04]

 

From what I can tell, his FB velocity is 88 up from his career average of 86.6.

 

I find it crazy that no one seems to care about this yet using steroids makes you the biggest criminal of all-time. This player had the muscles in his arm artificially improved with a surgery in a provable way with his velocity, yet no problem. How is this not considered cheating? Artificially gain some unquantifiable advantage from whatever Braun took, suspended.

 

I have said this for years and it seems like an unwinnable battle. A guy can get surgery done to fix an issue, but taking drugs to help your muscles and tendons heal is criminal. (I am not referring directly to Braun, and I am also not an expert, so I may be way off).

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

From what I can tell, his FB velocity is 88 up from his career average of 86.6.

 

I find it crazy that no one seems to care about this yet using steroids makes you the biggest criminal of all-time. This player had the muscles in his arm artificially improved with a surgery in a provable way with his velocity, yet no problem. How is this not considered cheating? Artificially gain some unquantifiable advantage from whatever Braun took, suspended.

 

As someone who is not up in arms about PEDs I've made that same point over the years several times. It's all about the integrity of the records and how folks 70 years ago didn't have this etc, you can't take some extra testosterone or you're the devil. But you can take a ligament from another human and insert it in your body. Another one is laser eye surgery or even just contacts in general. Note, this isn't argument that these things shouldn't be allowed, as I fully agree they should. It's an argument that the obsession and holier than thou attitudes about PEDs are a bit overboard, imo.

 

To play devil's advocate a bit, yeah, medical technology has come a drastically long way in 100 years, but can medical-induced improvements really be considered a competitive advantage when they are available to everyone? No one is cheating the system or breaking the rules. I imagine that since these types of performance enhancement opportunities are available to all, they cancel each other out for the most part. Like a hitter that gets lasik and can see the ball better now is somewhat neutralized by the pitcher who gained 2 mph on his FB after TJ recovery.

[MadScientist]

 

From what I can tell, his FB velocity is 88 up from his career average of 86.6.

 

I find it crazy that no one seems to care about this yet using steroids makes you the biggest criminal of all-time. This player had the muscles in his arm artificially improved with a surgery in a provable way with his velocity, yet no problem. How is this not considered cheating? Artificially gain some unquantifiable advantage from whatever Braun took, suspended.

 

As someone who is not up in arms about PEDs I've made that same point over the years several times. It's all about the integrity of the records and how folks 70 years ago didn't have this etc, you can't take some extra testosterone or you're the devil. But you can take a ligament from another human and insert it in your body. Another one is laser eye surgery or even just contacts in general. Is not the medical advantages of ACL/Knee surgeries now not an performance enhancement not available to Mickey Mantle (who had his career hurt by fluke knee injury). Note, this isn't argument that these things shouldn't be allowed, as I fully agree they should. It's an argument that the obsession and holier than thou attitudes about PEDs are a bit overboard, imo.

 

Comparing surgical repair of injuries and PED's is just ludicrous. The ban on PED's has absolutely nothing to do with comparing records from 70 or 100 years ago. It does have to do with player safety. The side effects of PED's are significant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid#Adverse_effects, but they do give players a competitive advantage. Either they need to be banned or they become de facto mandated.

 

There are many drugs that players can take to help them heal and recover. Only the ones that can be used/abused for performance enhancing are banned.

 

We need to add comparing PED's to surgery to the banned topics.

[homer]

You could also include Lasik surgery. The line is kind of blurry, I agree. I feel if something is found naturally on the planet you should be able to consume it. I have no idea if anything of those kinds of things are even banned, but that's where I'd draw the line...if a line needs to be drawn.