When Will Keston Hiura Arrive In Milwaukee?

[HiAndTight]

Not too many guys come out of slumps by riding the pines.

 

Right, Shaw does not need to be benched, he needs to be getting ABs in AAA...maybe not yet but were getting close.

 

Agreeing to disagree. I’m one that doesn’t jump the gun on proven players.

 

 

I agree. Shaw's had back to back 4 WAR seasons for the Brewers. Not directing this at anyone in particular, but if it's too early to call up Hiura, why is it time to send Shaw down or to the bench? We'd have made a mistake if we did that a week-10 days ago with Aguilar. He's too good to not get going.

 

That said, IF Thames would have been hurt, I do think it would have made sense to bring Hiura up. No reason to bring up someone you know is an inferior player for a short stint vs one of your main competitors. Especially when he'd have the platoon advantage in the first 3 games. It's not like it's unprecedented to bring up an advanced hitter for a short stint. You usually don't plan on doing that, but we did bring up Prince when we played interleague games when he was 21 years old and then sent him back down.

 

 

But the kids creeping up near .350 with an OPS over 1.170. It wouldn't really be a stretch to think he could help us out vs a couple of lefties.

[KeithStone53151]

Once Hiura comes up, he's likely going to be here to stay. I think his bat isn't going to let us send him back down. I really think Shaw is just lost at the plate. It's astonishing how badly he's missing 92 mph fastballs down the middle from RH pitchers. I counted 4 or 5 just this series that he couldn't even foul off in the 92 range. I don't think Shaw is done being good, I just think he needs a timeout. Right now he's hurting the club and is not our best option. I'm in favor of sending Shaw down for a few weeks to work on mechanics or whatever he needs to start hitting again...and let Hiura play everyday. You make the decision about bringing Shaw back up once he starts hitting again. Hopefully the guys make it a tough decision.

[Oxy]

Having Hiura play 2nd base against the Cubs this weekend increases the chances of the Brewers winning the division this year. Send down Burch Smith. When we need another bullpen arm, send Hiura back down until well after the super 2 cutoff. DFA Hart, Wilkerson or Spangenburg (.213/.300/.326)

[Brew crew 92]

Having Hiura play 2nd base against the Cubs this weekend increases the chances of the Brewers winning the division this year. Send down Burch Smith. When we need another bullpen arm, send Hiura back down until well after the super 2 cutoff. DFA Hart, Wilkinson or Spangenburg.

 

This!!!!

Nothing more to add to this perfect post.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Having Hiura play 2nd base against the Cubs this weekend increases the chances of the Brewers winning the division this year. Send down Burch Smith. When we need another bullpen arm, send Hiura back down until well after the super 2 cutoff. DFA Hart, Wilkinson or Spangenburg.

 

This!!!!

Nothing more to add to this perfect post.

 

Don't want to be a buzzkill, but there's likely just as strong of a chance that Wilkerson is activated from the IL for this weekend as he is DFA'd. Spangenburg has to be getting close to being on borrowed time, though.

[TJseven7]

Throwing Hiura's RHRHB (that's right handed red hot bat) into the 6 hole would be a huge boost for this team these next 3. These are not the 3 games for Shaw to get hot. Lefty Lefty Lefty relying on a recently warm bodied Braun and a slowly waking out of hibernation bear in Aguilar is not ideal. No thanks on Perez starting. I'd do it. I'd take Spangenburg off the 40 as he is redundant with Saladino. (not to mention Hiura and Dubon) I'd send Hiura down after the series though.

 

I expect Saladino to get the call up.

[Oxy]

Throwing Hiura's RHRHB (that's right handed red hot bat) into the 6 hole would be a huge boost for this team these next 3. These are not the 3 games for Shaw to get hot. Lefty Lefty Lefty relying on a recently warm bodied Braun and a slowly waking out of hibernation bear in Aguilar is not ideal. No thanks on Perez starting. I'd do it. I'd take Spangenburg off the 40 as he is redundant with Saladino. (not to mention Hiura and Dubon) I'd send Hiura down after the series though.

 

I expect Saladino to get the call up.

 

Not only would it help the starting lineup, but then we'd also have a non-Pina RH bat on the bench in Perez as well. It seems foolish to go into this series "as is" with our position player roster. I'd be okay with Saladino, but I don't see the point in delaying Hiura unless the Brewers plan to either keep him down ALL year. Even if that is the plan, you could still bring him up for this series then keep him down until June of NEXT year and it would be a decent option. The matchups fit too perfectly right now and the reasons against it are almost nil (outside of some psychological maturity thing where the Brewers think it would be jarring for him to be moved around and could significantly hinder his development....which seems like a pretty big reach to me).

[And That]

If memory serves, there was a rumor that the Brewers refused to include Hiura in a deal for Realmuto. If they aren't trading him for a few seasons of JT Realmuto, they aren't trading him for half a season of Madison Bumgarner.

[JohnBriggs12]

Carrying 13 pitchers is likely a necessity when there aren't any off days coming up. But after next week, they go 4 straight weeks with at least one off day and 5 weeks out of 6. In fact between now and the All Star break, there's only two weeks with no off days. I see no reason they can't add a position player and reduce the staff from 13 to 12. I'd do it now instead of a week from now only because the Cubs are lining up their lefties to stymie the Brewers attack. Now the Phillies rotation is all right handed, but there's nothing wrong with giving Shaw and Hiura two starts each against them. As for Shaw there's nothing wrong with him sitting and watching for a few days. It helped Aguilar.

[Fear The Chorizo]

So are the Cubs really lining up lefty starters weeks in advance just to face the Brewers, or is it just dumb luck on the schedule and basically an expected occurrence with them having 3 in the rotation consecutively after sorting things out with all their early season offdays that have given them the ability to rest/shuffle guys like Darvish and Lester after either poor performances or minor injury tweaks?

 

I keep reading that, and I'm sure given the luxury they've had of basically playing only 5-6 games per week all season so far has helped get their rotation set up in this way - but I think it's a bit much to base when you start Hiura's service time clock off a countermove to add a RH bat prior to a mid May 3 game set that appears will be played in less than favorable hitting conditions (temps maybe reaching 50, winds either blowing straight in from center or in from right field).

[vetter]

So are the Cubs really lining up lefty starters weeks in advance just to face the Brewers, or is it just dumb luck on the schedule and basically an expected occurrence with them having 3 in the rotation consecutively after sorting things out with all their early season offdays that have given them the ability to rest/shuffle guys like Darvish and Lester after either poor performances or minor injury tweaks?

 

I keep reading that, and I'm sure given the luxury they've had of basically playing only 5-6 games per week all season so far has helped get their rotation set up in this way - but I think it's a bit much to base when you start Hiura's service time clock off a countermove to add a RH bat prior to a mid May 3 game set that appears will be played in less than favorable hitting conditions (temps maybe reaching 50, winds either blowing straight in from center or in from right field).

 

Maddon loves to think he's the smartest guy in the room, so the lefty starters are probably by design.

 

I imagine the Brewers will stack a lot of right handed batters for this series by starting Braun in LF, Aguilar at 1B, and Perez at 2B (if Moose goes to 3B). Grandal of course can bat right.

 

All things being equal, I'd still favor Gamel over Braun and Thames over Aguilar at this point. BUT, Braun and Aguilar have shown signs of life lately. They're going to need a great series if we want to be effective against the Cubs this weekend.

 

As far as I'm concerned, I'd just as soon see Perez play over Shaw against any LHP at this point. Hiura could be interesting...

[MrTPlush]

Maddon has a love affair about planning for us. Our series are the most important on his schedule I guess.

[sveumrules]

So are the Cubs really lining up lefty starters weeks in advance just to face the Brewers, or is it just dumb luck on the schedule and basically an expected occurrence with them having 3 in the rotation consecutively after sorting things out with all their early season offdays that have given them the ability to rest/shuffle guys like Darvish and Lester after either poor performances or minor injury tweaks?

 

Quintana, Hamels & Lester have been pitching consecutively in the Cubs rotation the last three trips through, dating back to April 23rd, which followed Chatwood's lone start of the season on the 21st & an off day on the 22nd, so it does kind of look like they used that opportunity to "reset" their rotation.

[jerichoholicninja]

If I'm the Cubs and I really want to beat the Brewers I make sure that Hendricks faces them. He's the type of pitcher that will just roll right through this offense. And Quintana's unexplained dominance of the Brewers notwithstanding, all three of those guys are rather average at this point in their careers.

[brewerfan82]

Well so far this year, the Brewers are 5th in baseball with a .826 OPS vs. LHP, while only 16th with a .743 OPS vs. RHP. And if you go back to the start of last year, they're 6th in the MLB with a .758 OPS vs. LHP and 12th with a .748 OPS vs. RHP. So may not be the soundest of strategies to load up lefties against them.

[Fear The Chorizo]

So are the Cubs really lining up lefty starters weeks in advance just to face the Brewers, or is it just dumb luck on the schedule and basically an expected occurrence with them having 3 in the rotation consecutively after sorting things out with all their early season offdays that have given them the ability to rest/shuffle guys like Darvish and Lester after either poor performances or minor injury tweaks?

 

Quintana, Hamels & Lester have been pitching consecutively in the Cubs rotation the last three trips through, dating back to April 23rd, which followed Chatwood's lone start of the season on the 21st & an off day on the 22nd, so it does kind of look like they used that opportunity to "reset" their rotation.

 

That's my point - that reshuffling didn't occur 3 weeks ago to line up for facing the Brewers this weekend...it was largely out of necessity.

[Oxy]

I'm not sure what the Cubs' or Maddon's intentions have to do with this discussion, or how we typically do against either lefties or righties compared to the rest of the league. If we were facing 3 righties this weekend and Erceg Or Ray were both mashing and likely to be called up in the next couple of months, I'd hope that we would bring one of them up for the Cubs series as well.

 

Games against the Cubs and Cards are basically twice as important as games against everybody else. We should give ourselves the best chance to beat them whenever we play them.

 

If anybody actually thinks we'd be better off this weekend with a 13th pitcher or Saladino, I'd honestly like to hear their rationale. If they don't call him up it won't be a horrible mistake or anything, but if they do call him up it wouldn't be a horrible mistake either. Still, they should give themselves the best chance to win the next 3 games, and having Hiura on the roster will do that.

[Brew crew 92]

The fact of not calling up Hiura now to face the cubs tells me that once they call him up( past super 2) he’s up to stay. When that time will be I think depends on Shaw Aguilar Thames and how well they are hitting. If and when he gets called up it would be to play a lot not pinch hit or play vs lefties imo. I hope it’s not til aug 30, cause that would mean the aforementioned trio would be hitting.

[Greenleaf1]

Based on how the Brewers have previously brought up top prospects, that road trip to San Francisco/San Diego (and Houston before that) in mid-June seems like the time we're likely to see Hiura in the majors.

 

Hiura played last night in San Antonio, so guessing it's pretty unlikely they'd do that if he was going to be coming up to Chicago today.

[Outlander]

The fact of not calling up Hiura now to face the cubs tells me that once they call him up( past super 2) he’s up to stay. When that time will be I think depends on Shaw Aguilar Thames and how well they are hitting. If and when he gets called up it would be to play a lot not pinch hit or play vs lefties imo. I hope it’s not til aug 30, cause that would mean the aforementioned trio would be hitting.

What makes August 30th so special? If they wait that long might as well wait until next April and gain the extra year. I think he can help now but if they wait until August 30 then the Brewers have doubts.

[Brew crew 92]

The fact of not calling up Hiura now to face the cubs tells me that once they call him up( past super 2) he’s up to stay. When that time will be I think depends on Shaw Aguilar Thames and how well they are hitting. If and when he gets called up it would be to play a lot not pinch hit or play vs lefties imo. I hope it’s not til aug 30, cause that would mean the aforementioned trio would be hitting.

What makes August 30th so special? If they wait that long might as well wait until next April and gain the extra year. I think he can help now but if they wait until August 30 then the Brewers have doubts.

 

Before sept 1

So he’s playoff eligible

[adambr2]

Shaw, Moustakas, and Yelich were a combined 0 for 13 today.

 

Lefties are 3 for 25 in this series. This lineup is really handicapped against a team with solid lefty arms.

 

There is a major problem with the quality of righty bats on this team. There is not a single righty bat north of an .800 OPS on this roster. They need Keston Hiura in this lineup, sooner rather than later.

[Austin Tatious]

When does he get past the super two cutoff? Has anybody calculated that?

[trwi7]

When does he get past the super two cutoff? Has anybody calculated that?

 

It's impossible to calculate.

[wildcat2237]

I just checked Hiura's numbers for the first time in about 10 days.

 

.336 Avg with a .398 OBP with 11 bombs.

 

Basically making a joke of AAA pitching.