When Will Keston Hiura Arrive In Milwaukee?

[sveumrules]

I take it back. We won't see Hiura until 2020 when San Francisco plays in Milwaukee, because Stearns will have to deal him in order to land Madison Bumgarner.

 

Who was the last consensus top 20 prospect traded for a half season rental?

 

Gleyber Torres in 2016 when he was dealt by the Cubs for Chapman I think.

 

Even then Gleyber was at #41 (BA), #28 (MLB) & #41 (BP) pre-2016 in the rankings.

 

He had hit 275/359/433 (121 wRC+) before the trade as a 19 year old in A+, so his value was probably a little higher by mid-season but it didn't really explode until after he hit 403/513/645 in the AZ Fall League following the trade. At the time he was acquired Chapman was the best closer in the game coming off four straight elite seasons.

 

Hiura was at #17 (BA), #20 (MLB) & #6 (BP) in the rankings this year & has hit 349/405/780 (176 wRC+) so far as a 22 year old in AAA.

 

If the Brewers do ultimately decide to deal Keston (I don't think they will) the return will be much more than a half season of currently mediocre Madison Bumgarner coming off two mediocre injury shortened seasons.

[Brew crew 92]

However if the Giants would indeed trade Bumgarner to the Brewers for Hiura, I think Milwaukee probably should pull the trigger.

 

I literally gasped when I read this.

 

I’d trade Corey Ray for Mad Bum

[Jopal78]

....just keep in mind the Brewers got the #55 prospect in baseball (Segura) plus two pitchers (Johnny Hellweg and Ariel Pena) from the Angels for 13 starts from Zack Greinke in 2012. I don't think trading Hiura is really as far fetched as it may seem.

[MrTPlush]

....just keep in mind the Brewers got the #55 prospect in baseball (Segura) plus two pitchers (Johnny Hellweg and Ariel Pena) from the Angels for 13 starts from Zack Greinke in 2012. I don't think trading Hiura is really as far fetched as it may seem.

 

That was a looooong time ago in baseball terms. It just isn't like that anymore. Especially since teams no longer get comp picks for rentals.

[RollieTime]

....just keep in mind the Brewers got the #55 prospect in baseball (Segura) plus two pitchers (Johnny Hellweg and Ariel Pena) from the Angels for 13 starts from Zack Greinke in 2012. I don't think trading Hiura is really as far fetched as it may seem.

 

I can see your point with the trade you mentioned, but Greinke was still an ace at the time of the Brewers trading him and I would say Bumgarner is in a tier below where Greinke was at the time. Add in the fact that Greinke brought in a prospect in the 50-60 range and Hiura is pretty much a lock to be a top 10 prospect in the upcoming rankings, and that’s where the significant difference is. Those top guys are much too valuable to be traded for a rental. There are very few guys I would even consider including Hiura for. If I had to pick one, it would probably be Blake Snell from the Rays who would be under contract for another 4 years at a very reasonable contract similar to Yelich’s contract.

[Fear The Chorizo]

....just keep in mind the Brewers got the #55 prospect in baseball (Segura) plus two pitchers (Johnny Hellweg and Ariel Pena) from the Angels for 13 starts from Zack Greinke in 2012. I don't think trading Hiura is really as far fetched as it may seem.

 

It's extremely far-fetched if it's for a half season rental...of anyone

[markedman5]

They aren't trading Hiura dude........

[RollieTime]

Looks like Thames may have tweaked his groin in the 9th inning tonight fielding a ground ball down the first base line. Gotta wonder if Hiura would be a possibility if Thames hits the IL.

[ewitkows]

We have plenty of 1B to fill that spot. It would have to be a Moose/Shaw long term injury.

[Vollbc74]

We have plenty of 1B to fill that spot. It would have to be a Moose/Shaw long term injury.

 

I’m assuming he was talking about Moose at 3rd, Shaw/Aggy at 1st, and Huira at 2nd.

[Outlander]

Looks like Thames may have tweaked his groin in the 9th inning tonight fielding a ground ball down the first base line. Gotta wonder if Hiura would be a possibility if Thames hits the IL.

It makes it an easy call to face the Cubs with Hiura against all the lefties and then send him back down. Don't think it will happen but think it should.

[ewitkows]

I would guess they would bring up Erceg first to play 3rd and leave Moose at 2nd

[RollieTime]

We have plenty of 1B to fill that spot. It would have to be a Moose/Shaw long term injury.

 

I’m assuming he was talking about Moose at 3rd, Shaw/Aggy at 1st, and Huira at 2nd.

 

Yes, this is what I was picturing in my head. Shaw needs to be platooned and I think moving him to first to platoon with Aguilar is the ideal situation right now.

 

I think in the offseason, the Brewers will consider moving Shaw to first mostly full time and platooning him with Aguilar. They would then end up signing Moose again or possibly someone else to play everyday at third base.

[OldHeidelberg]

I would guess they would bring up Erceg first to play 3rd and leave Moose at 2nd

 

Neither Erceg or Hiura are on the 40 man roster, if Hiura is on his way soon as most of us suspect I doubt they would shuffle the 40 man just to bring Erceg up now. He probably isn't ready yet anyway, this is the first year he has really done much and it is still early. There are plenty of options on the 40 man now if they want to wait for Hiura to clear Super 2.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Looks like Thames may have tweaked his groin in the 9th inning tonight fielding a ground ball down the first base line. Gotta wonder if Hiura would be a possibility if Thames hits the IL.

It makes it an easy call to face the Cubs with Hiura against all the lefties and then send him back down. Don't think it will happen but think it should.

 

Unless Thames goes on the 60 day DL for the groin tweak, they would still need to make a corresponding roster move to add Hiura to the 40 man before bringing him up to Milwaukee....doubtful this happens, because they probably don't want to lose other depth. If Thames is forced to go on the IL, I'd expect a move like bringing Spangenberg or Saladino up before Hiura.

 

He'll be in Milwaukee at some point this summer, but let's not get too carried away with expecting a mid May callup because they're likely to face 3 lefty starters against the Cubs.

[pacopete4]

I don't see the need to rush it. Let him keep doing what he's doing in AAA while we continue to win games at the major league level. His time will come. Jamming him up in our lineup and taking away at-bats to others that need it just doesn't make much sense to me right now. It's a great position to be in because a decade ago, he'd be up already and we wouldn't have any depth around him. Times have changed in our organization.

[mrn1ceguy]

Looks like Thames may have tweaked his groin in the 9th inning tonight fielding a ground ball down the first base line. Gotta wonder if Hiura would be a possibility if Thames hits the IL.

It makes it an easy call to face the Cubs with Hiura against all the lefties and then send him back down. Don't think it will happen but think it should.

 

Unless Thames goes on the 60 day DL for the groin tweak, they would still need to make a corresponding roster move to add Hiura to the 40 man before bringing him up to Milwaukee....doubtful this happens, because they probably don't want to lose other depth. If Thames is forced to go on the IL, I'd expect a move like bringing Spangenberg or Saladino up before Hiura.

 

He'll be in Milwaukee at some point this summer, but let's not get too carried away with expecting a mid May callup because they're likely to face 3 lefty starters against the Cubs.

 

Spangenberg has a mighty line of 235/298/362, so he would be an easy choice to DFA for Hiura if/when that happens. Until Spangenberg is not on the 40, I don't see a crunch on getting Hiura on the 40.

[topper09er]

I don't see the need to rush it. Let him keep doing what he's doing in AAA while we continue to win games at the major league level. His time will come. Jamming him up in our lineup and taking away at-bats to others that need it just doesn't make much sense to me right now. It's a great position to be in because a decade ago, he'd be up already and we wouldn't have any depth around him. Times have changed in our organization.

 

I generally agree, but the majors is not the place for people who "need" at bats. That is what AAA is for...looking at you Travis '31% K rate' Shaw

[tmwiese55]

I think Saladino is still on the 40 man. I'd guess he'd just come up in this situation like he did a few weeks ago when someone else was dinged up, Moose I think with the thumb. Perez would get the starts and Saladino to utility.

 

Like everyone else I'd be excited for Keston, but that's what I would guess if an IL stint is needed.

[pacopete4]

I don't see the need to rush it. Let him keep doing what he's doing in AAA while we continue to win games at the major league level. His time will come. Jamming him up in our lineup and taking away at-bats to others that need it just doesn't make much sense to me right now. It's a great position to be in because a decade ago, he'd be up already and we wouldn't have any depth around him. Times have changed in our organization.

 

I generally agree, but the majors is not the place for people who "need" at bats. That is what AAA is for...looking at you Travis '31% K rate' Shaw

 

Well, for a guy that is major league proven, sometimes they only way to get out of those funks are by getting MLB at bats. Not too many guys come out of slumps by riding the pines.

[RollieTime]

I think it would be pretty easy to remove Saladino or Spangenberg from the 40 man. Personally I would prefer holding onto Saladino. There are a couple pitchers that could very easily be removed from the 40 man as well. I don’t think it would be too hard to find a spot for Hiura.

 

I generally agree, but the majors is not the place for people who "need" at bats. That is what AAA is for...looking at you Travis '31% K rate' Shaw

 

This, the focus of the big league club has to be on putting the best team on the field to win and if guys aren’t producing, changes need to be made. Thames hitting the IL wouldn’t have Hiura taking at bats from anyone. Shaw platoons at first with Aguilar and Moose stays at third. If Shaw is demoted, Hiura slots right in at second with Moose at third. If our entire roster was healthy, the one guy that would really be losing at bats is Thames, which I don’t think is a big loss. He is only owed roughly $4.5 million the rest of the way and could probably be moved now fairly easily.

 

If Hiura comes up and hits .250, it’s a big upgrade to our lineup. People will expect more production than that, but if he can even manage that, he’s a big upgrade from what we’ve been throwing out there the first quarter of the season.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Since Thames is in today's lineup, an IL stint is probably not in the cards to mend that strained groin...

[topper09er]

Not too many guys come out of slumps by riding the pines.

 

Right, Shaw does not need to be benched, he needs to be getting ABs in AAA...maybe not yet but were getting close.

[pacopete4]

Not too many guys come out of slumps by riding the pines.

 

Right, Shaw does not need to be benched, he needs to be getting ABs in AAA...maybe not yet but were getting close.

 

Agreeing to disagree. I’m one that doesn’t jump the gun on proven players.

[shanedog19]

Three lefties starting for the Cubs this weekend. Would be a perfect weekend to bring Hiura up play Moose at 3rd base!!