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2019-04-17: Cardinals (Wacha) at Brewers (Burnes) [Brewers lose, 6-3 -- Burnes’ struggles continue]

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That has to be the end for Burnes in the rotation for awhile. He is progressively getting hit harder and harder in each subsequent start, and there's no point in running him out there on a contending club to hand the team an automatic loss and burn up the pen.

 

The question is do they option him to AAA or move him to the pen

 

I would think AAA, since it doesn't seem like velocity is his issue, rather it is location. Walks and middle-middle fastballs won't play out of the bullpen, either.

 

So sad, I was so excited to see what he could do as a starter this year. It's too easy for commentary about him to become elegiac at this point, and he will have a chance to re-establish himself in the future. But clearly all the spin rate in the world won't paper over location problems. Thus, Zach Davies is now the anchor of this rotation. Things are becoming quite precarious, and a couple more starters need to elevate their games in short order.

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Looking like another last game of series giveaway game and a lot more innings on the bullpen.

 

Not going to matter how many runs the pitching staff surrenders if the offense decides to take a vacation day.

 

Silver lining - we'll likely see Jeffress today

 

Yeah, he needs a little work. No time like the present...

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Feel like of all the young pitchers Burnes has the highest upside, can't give up on him yet. He's also faced 3 of the best offenses in the NL so far this year. Give him another few starts and see what he does. Not like we have a better option in AAA until Jimmy is ready anyways.

 

Upside is great when you're a 68 win team with no expectations and can experiment on the fly. But when you're a hopeful contender who missed the WS by 1 game, you can't just have a white flag starter 20% of the time.

 

And sending a guy to AAA to work on things is not giving up on him.

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I am not really sure what the best option is here. The arms will eventually have to be in the rotation but both Burnes and Peralta look like they are boom or (mostly) bust right now. Problem is who do you start in their place given Guerra and Anderson aren't stretched out? I am beginning to wonder if the issue isn't Chris Hook. He really doesn't seem to have much of an answer to assist these guys.

 

Is the current Chris Hook different than the Chris Hook that worked with these guys for years in the minors, where they saw large degrees of success? Hook isn't the reason Burnes and Peralta are missing their spots.

 

I don't know, but Derek Johnson sure seems like he is doing well in Cincy - and they never have good pitching.

 

MKE 9.68 K9 3.76 BB9 1.88 HR9 5.30 ERA 5.07 FIP 4.26 xFIP

CIN 9.30 K9 4.07 BB9 0.84 HR9 3.49 ERA 3.77 FIP 4.17 xFIP

 

We are striking out more hitters & walking less than the Reds to this point in the season.

 

The only edge they have is their HR rate is fluky low & ours is fluky high, which is why the xFIPs (which normalizes HR rate) are pretty much even.

 

I'll predict our ERA is lower than 5.30 & the Reds is higher than 3.49 when the season is over.

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Burnes to the bullpen with Anderson getting his starting job back makes sense with Chase getting a short leash. Woodruff the best of the young group was my guess but didn't think the other two would be so inconsistent.
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Why not swap Junior and Burnes? Junior been pretty good in the pen but Burnes just seems like his stuff played better in the pen. Why not?

 

That may be a possibility if we continue seeing struggles in the rotation. I think they really like Guerra in the pen, though. He's been one of the very few that can be trusted so far.

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Why not swap Junior and Burnes? Junior been pretty good in the pen but Burnes just seems like his stuff played better in the pen. Why not?

 

I don't know. Then you're banking on Junior stretching out and Burnes figuring it out in shorter spurts. Sure, you could end up improving the starting rotation AND bullpen, but isn't it just as likely you just make an already thin BP worse for a marginal rotation improvement?

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Why not swap Junior and Burnes? Junior been pretty good in the pen but Burnes just seems like his stuff played better in the pen. Why not?

 

Because Junior's stuff plays best in the pen, too - and there are other options that wouldn't weaken two spots just to get Burnes out of the rotation. Burnes needs a sustained opportunity starting (he stopped starting games last May), and I think the best spot for him to do that is AAA right now. Shifting Burnes to the pen with how he's presently going would be a really bad idea - I don't want practically a 1HR/IP rate moving into a late inning role.

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Well, how about the steadying hand from Wilkerson so far?

 

Make it interesting at least, offense. Wacha isn't this good.

 

The Brewers offense rarely shows up when there’s a chance to sweep so it’s not surprising to me that Wacha is dominating. Also, I don’t think he’s ever lost to the Brewers.

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Why not swap Junior and Burnes? Junior been pretty good in the pen but Burnes just seems like his stuff played better in the pen. Why not?

 

I don't know. Then you're banking on Junior stretching out and Burnes figuring it out in shorter spurts. Sure, you could end up improving the starting rotation AND bullpen, but isn't it just as likely you just make an already thin BP worse for a marginal rotation improvement?

 

Burnes is sporting a 10 ERA. Chase Anderson would be under half that easily. Anderson is a consistent solid back end guy. Just let him pitch until we feel someone is more promising than that. Burnes isn't that guy right now.

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Well, how about the steadying hand from Wilkerson so far?

 

Make it interesting at least, offense. Wacha isn't this good.

 

The Brewers offense rarely shows up when there’s a chance to sweep so it’s not surprising to me that Wacha is dominating. Also, I don’t think he’s ever lost to the Brewers.

 

He really does seem like one of those crappy replacement-level pitchers who always looks great against the Brewers. *sigh

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