Petricka to Brewers

[wallus]

Yes Jeffress threw more innings but what about pitches? His results were so good that he often did not have to throw as much as other relievers.

[rickh150]

Maybe the bullpen wasn't as questionable at this point last year but the guys they counted on most August-the playoffs were Jeffress/Burnes/Knebel/Soria/Woodruff/Hader. Now they only have Hader in the bullpen.

 

What is troublesome is that the 2019 pen wouldn't be a major concern if Woodruff or Burnes were still there and Anderson was in the rotation.

So far, this would have probably been the better play. Yet, long term? I don't know.

[Brew crew 92]

Maybe the bullpen wasn't as questionable at this point last year but the guys they counted on most August-the playoffs were Jeffress/Burnes/Knebel/Soria/Woodruff/Hader. Now they only have Hader in the bullpen.

 

What is troublesome is that the 2019 pen wouldn't be a major concern if Woodruff or Burnes were still there and Anderson was in the rotation.

So far, this would have probably been the better play. Yet, long term? I don't know.

 

The crew knows the better play is to have all 3 young guns in the rotation and I love it, and so does John Smoltz, who during the broadcast of sat game, said the brewers are doing the right thing, and hopes they can overcome the temptation to move them to the pen. He said their patience will be rewarded. He loves all three of our young guns.

[HiAndTight]

Maybe the bullpen wasn't as questionable at this point last year but the guys they counted on most August-the playoffs were Jeffress/Burnes/Knebel/Soria/Woodruff/Hader. Now they only have Hader in the bullpen.

 

What is troublesome is that the 2019 pen wouldn't be a major concern if Woodruff or Burnes were still there and Anderson was in the rotation.

So far, this would have probably been the better play. Yet, long term? I don't know.

 

The crew knows the better play is to have all 3 young guns in the rotation and I love it, and so does John Smoltz, who during the broadcast of sat game, said the brewers are doing the right thing, and hopes they can overcome the temptation to move them to the pen. He said their patience will be rewarded. He loves all three of our young guns.

 

I agree. There's no reason to take guys who can be really good starters and move them to the BP. You only do that if they fail as starters and thus far, none of them have.

 

And I think just about everyone can agree CC did an awesome job last year managing this team, usually making the right call at the right times(some complained he had a quick hook, but that was about as bad as it gets).

 

That was the preferred way of winning games last year because it had to be. But I'd still rather see Corbin Burnes develop that change a bit more and become a guy who is capable of going 7 strong than used out of the pen.

[HiAndTight]

I'm not saying I'm ready to bet big money on them being terrible. "Bullpens are volatile" is a good mantra. But I find it hard to picture this group being successful. Guys like Fields, Petricka, and Claudio with a couple good years to their name remind me of how Barnes, Williams, Jennings, and even Drake had some promising statistics to pick from going into last year. There might be a few trees worth looking at, but the forest as a whole looks pretty ominous. There's just not a lot of real talent there.

 

 

That's the big difference between this year and last year. Last year even when Knebel was struggling and then pen as a whole was struggling, there was more reason to believe that they'd come around.

 

This year, I don't know much about Sanchez, but it sounds like he has a live arm, Albers has had really good seasons in his career...but it's tough to have too much confidence in anyone else right now other than Hader being an impact arm.

 

Fields is a fly ball pitcher IIRC who has shoulder issues last year and missed the last couple months, Jeffress has had one appearance in AAA and the box score was bad. I'm hoping that's because he was more worried about getting himself ready than getting outs, but that he hasn't made another appearance is a bit of a concern(though not totally sure why he went more than 1 IP in that outing either). And those counting on Brown to come up and be like Burnes and Woody were last year, that's pretty optimistic. I'm not sure Burnes has the same success in the post-season if you take a few MPH off that fastball. He was really attacking the Dodgers primarily with fastball's up. The whole team was, Burnes, Woodruff, Knebel. But if you go from 98 to 93 those get a lot easier to square up on(or at the very least fight off).

 

We came into the season with the HOPES that Wahl would join a dominant trio in Knebel, Jeffress, and Hader to be 4 big time power arms in the back of the pen.

 

Now Hader, our most valuable asset is relegated mostly to save situations rather than getting the other teams best hitters out in the biggest spots and he just had an 8 out save.

 

 

As for our record thus far, there is no doubt it's better than we've played or shown. I'm grateful. We're 8-3 and could easily be 3-8. But to me, those are just stolen wins. The Cards seemed to get those constantly when they were a good team. We're a good team right now and Stearns is not likely to just sit by and watch this team that he's built fall by the wayside because we're light on arms in the back of the pen. Not loving the current pen, but still trusting Stearns.

[Brew crew 92]

Jeffress line yesterday 1 IP 4 H 3 R 0 BB 2 K

Not encouraging so far. But supposed to pitch tonight again.

[Outlander]

Petricka's line was not very encouraging either and he has been pretty bad for a while. Guess Fields is the next man up.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

At this point I kind of would like them to go all-in on the young guys. Call up Houser. Maybe wait until Super 2 is done and call up Brown and Derby. Yeah, it's going to decimate the AAA rotation. I don't care. They can grab Supak and Webb/Jankins to fill in. If the rotation and pen is going to have holes, at least those holes will have upside.

[JosephC]

Petricka 2016-2018:

 

ERA = 5.33

FIP = 4.78

WHIP = 1.71

 

Looks more like JJ Hoover rather than Wade Miley after one appearance. We'll see how many more he gets.

[xisxisxis]

Petricka 2016-2018:

 

ERA = 5.33

FIP = 4.78

WHIP = 1.71

 

Looks more like JJ Hoover rather than Wade Miley after one appearance. We'll see how many more he gets.

I can’t figure out why he even was given a shot in the first place. There is absolutely nothing in those numbers that justifies his position on the 25 man. I don’t care how many arms have fallen off in the BP...

[HiAndTight]

I'm not ready to talk myself into believing in them. There's just way too many guys with too much history of imploding, and who knows if Jeffress will bounce back fully. Look how long it took Matt Harvey to bounce back after a year of over-use.

 

Jeffress wasn't overused. But I agree there is reason for concern. I've been keeping it in, but a lot of reason to believe 8-2 is a bit of a mirage. Run differential hasn't been very flattering. It wasn't last year either, but the pen made that passable. I'm not sure we can expect that again.

 

Jeffress pitched 84 innings last year, 18 more than any previous year. So I would argue he was overused, weakness in shoulder not withstanding.

 

 

Well, that's about ~10 more than any other year. He's been around 70-72 IP several times in his career, but some of those innings were in the pen.

 

In KC in 2011 he threw 71 Innings.

2012 just under 73.2 IP

2014 he was back up there around 73 again. And this doesn't include early in his career when he threw more innings as a starter. So you're talking about statistically irrelevant data.

 

He threw 76 innings in the regular season last year, a perfectly reasonable number for your ace reliever and certainly not "overused" by Counsell, a term that makes it sound as it Counsell worked him too hard.

 

He's a 31 year old reliever, so it's not like he was some brittle 20 year old who was coming off TJ surgery.

 

And I'd argue that he'd have thrown more innings every year of his career if he was anywhere near as dominant that year as he was for us last year.

 

 

I think the strong argument, if you actually need one and don't want to just attribute it to a human being doing something that is an unnatural motion for them, was the intensity of those innings down the stretch, and as CHL points out, the 4-5 out saves.

 

He came in often with men on base in high leverage situations. That's very different than when you're the 4th or 5th best reliever as he was at times in Toronto or Texas and you're not pitching in high leverage innings. He was worked down the stretch and in the playoffs.

 

 

Anyway, I think the bigger point is, that was a career year that wasn't even close to in line with his career norms and we're unlikely to get that again, even before the shoulder issue popped up, lamenting the point that this BP does not look good right now, and it's tough to see a map forward for a big post-season run or even playoff push without adding 1 or 2 really good relievers and then a couple more pretty good ones from somewhere. Can't be 6 IP from the starter, pray nobody blows the lead and then let Hader get the last 8 or 6 outs all year.

[HiAndTight]

Jeffress line yesterday 1 IP 4 H 3 R 0 BB 2 K

Not encouraging so far. But supposed to pitch tonight again.

 

 

His velocity would be the most important stat to me.

 

You often see guys struggle in the minors. They're not there to win games or even get outs per say, just work on what they need to do.

 

Obviously, you'd hope the two would align, but they don't always.

 

 

Waaay too many people though seem to think that Jeffress is our savior. He's one guy and you see people are already saying how overused he was last year when he threw about 10-15 more innings than normal.

 

We need to revamp our pen like the Nats did a few years ago when they got Doolittle and Madson. I trust our front office to know our talent well enough that we won't give back a historically good reliever in doing so.

[And That]

Petricka has been optioned to the Timber Rattlers' roster.

[FVBrewerFan]

Petricka has been optioned to the Timber Rattlers' roster.

 

That will sell some tickets!!

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Petricka has been optioned to the Timber Rattlers' roster.

 

Obviously a "taxi squad" type move. Numbers game at San Antonio?

[MadScientist]

Petricka has been optioned to the Timber Rattlers' roster.

 

Obviously a "taxi squad" type move. Numbers game at San Antonio?

Probably, although there is the possibility that he is going to Appleton to keep him close, if they have some injury concerns. Also they should have a good idea of what they have with Petricka, so maybe it doesn't matter as much where he pitches.

[gebc1997]

mcCalvy is speculating the fact that Petricka was sent to Wisconsin might signify another move coming soon. does he mean a signing

[SRB]

mcCalvy is speculating the fact that Petricka was sent to Wisconsin might signify another move coming soon. does he mean a signing

 

Wouldn't it imply a move that reopen a major league roster spot for Petricka? A signing would do the opposite.

[gebc1997]

mcCalvy is speculating the fact that Petricka was sent to Wisconsin might signify another move coming soon. does he mean a signing

 

Wouldn't it imply a move that reopen a major league roster spot for Petricka? A signing would do the opposite.

 

True, but it would have to be an injury

[boringname123]

Following the Twitter clues, it seems Alex Wilson's wife is about to give birth so he'll be on whatever leave that is and Petricka will rejoin shortly.

[JosephC]

Darn, I was hoping we'd be through with Petricka.

[gebc1997]

Following the Twitter clues, it seems Alex Wilson's wife is about to give birth so he'll be on whatever leave that is and Petricka will rejoin shortly.

 

 

Well that explains that