2019 Green Bay Packers draft preview and predictions

[HiAndTight]

 

I think that could very well happen. Also ... watch for the Raiders to make a move if they don't draft a QB at #6. You might even be able to get #24 and #27 for #12. Value is probably out of whack, but it wouldn't be the first time that a team made a desperation move for a QB they liked.

 

Yes, please. We'd probably have to throw a 3rd back their way, but holy crap that'd be an exciting first day.

EDIT: Actually, 12 and 75 is almost perfect for 24 and 27- 1415 vs. 1420.

 

 

Again, throw the scoring out when you're talking about a team desperate to move up for a QB in the first place, then set it on fire in the garbage when you're talking about John Gruden doing so.

 

I'd make them overpay and if they didn't, I'd just take the QB Lock or Jones or whoever it is that they're obviously trying to move up to get.

 

 

 

But that would be a nice get. BUT...for arguments sake, Ed Oliver has dropped to 12 along with...Lock from Missou and the Raiders are offering you that pick? Do you then make that trade? I'm guessing you're operating under the assumption that some of the elite talents will be gone, but what do we need more, a bunch of late 1st and 2nd round picks, or an elite difference maker who has drawn comps to John Randle and Aaron Donald and for good reason?

[patrickgpe]

 

The ONLY thing I'd disagree with here is that there's no QB worthy of going in the top 16, but there isn't one that is good enough for US to draft in the top 16. Rodgers is all in and wants to play into his 40's. He's not jerking us around like Favre was. I wouldn't hate to see them take Lock or Jones at 30. You get him for 5 years pretty cheap then and hopefully he develops into a good backup. But since Rodgers, QB's don't fall down draft boards the same, so I think it's more likely that 4 will be gone in the top half than one of those two drops to us.

 

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I'll stand by that statement. QB's are so overvalued at this time of the year because if you don't have one you have no chance to win. So teams reach and grab one when there are players there that have a much better chance to contribute.

 

I did look at Matt Miller's big board and there isn't a QB in the top 12 and only 2 in the top 32.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2832566-matt-millers-final-2019-nfl-draft-big-board#slide1

 

I will agree that there is no QB for the packers. the only thing that would make sense to me is getting rosen for a 2, but i doubt that will happen.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Bob McGinn has a pretty good track record with his mocks, and he has DT Jeffery Simmons going to the Packers at #12, and S Juan Thornhill at #30. While I think both are probably reaches at those spots, I like both players. The Packers are supposedly enamored with Simmons.

 

 

I'm not sure I agree with the first part.

 

As for the actual picks, I guess we see how the board plays out, but Simmons shouldn't be a top 12 pick. I mean, if there are zero QB's taken and only the top DL and Edge rushers plus Hockenson and, then fine, but it's a near certainly that an elite talent will fall to us at 12. I'm still hoping it's Oliver, but whoever it is, I hope they can get pressure on the QB.

 

That's not to say I don't love Simmons. I think taking him in the end of the 1st would be great. Lowered guaranteed money, but you get that 5th year that makes up for the fact he'll miss most of his rookie year with that ACL. He's a stud. I'd even be happy with Oliver at 12 and then coming back and doubling up with Simmons at 30. Oliver is so athletic, that while he can't be expected to play OLB'er, the Packers could use versatile fronts and if you have...for argument's sake, Clark, Simmons, Za'Darius Smith and Oliver rushing the passer, that could be a really formidable front.

 

Shut down the run, collapse the pocket and force the QB to our OLB'ers.

 

 

As for McGinn, I love reading his stuff where he takes experts and then creates rankings based on their comments. It's clear he's got good connections. But his own opinions have been laughable for a while now...going back even past the whole, "The Packer are a 10 win team without Aaron Rodgers," and then after they weren't that, after the article he wrote talking about all the talent that TT had surrounded Arod with looked foolish, he then pretty much ignored it and went back and listed all the bad moves that got them to this point without ever really acknowledging that he was the one who said the exact opposite.

 

 

None of that is the point. The point is that I really hope we don't take an injured player at 12. Even though it's about a 95 pct chance that he'll come back, you never know how one injury will impact another and at 12, you can't be taking a Justin Harrell like risk. Simmons is more proven than Harrell, but in both cases, you're taking an extremely talented DL with a great first step, but who is injured early in the draft.

 

Oh no doubt. A huge part of Packer Nation would want to tar and feather Gute if he takes Simmons at #12. I love Simmons, but I agree that #12 is too high for a guy you likely aren't going to get anything out of for a year. But at #30, I'd consider it.

 

Regarding McGinn, I agree that he's had his share of bad takes in recent years. That does tend to happen, though, when you take a hard stance a lot of the time. McGinn has always kind of gone back and forth between beat guy and columnist. It when he goes columnist that he tends to get off the rails.

[JosephC]

Bob McGinn has a pretty good track record with his mocks, and he has DT Jeffery Simmons going to the Packers at #12, and S Juan Thornhill at #30. While I think both are probably reaches at those spots, I like both players. The Packers are supposedly enamored with Simmons.

 

I'd have a real hard time picking a player that high when it's guaranteed he won't play a down in year one. Common sense says you have to downgrade him by 20% based on that alone. Then one has to assume that he comes back from the injury at 100%. Hard for me to believe that there aren't 12 players better in the draft after the grade is adjusted for the above factors.

 

I do like Simmons as a player and think he could be very special as there aren't that many guys that could fit as a NG, DT or DE in the Packers defense, and Simmons likely could play any of those spots. I also don't have any problems with the incident from many years ago, sounds like Simmons has demonstrated plus-plus character during his time at Mississippi State and McGinn talked to 15 NFL guys about it and all 15 said they weren't concerned with Simmons character moving forward.

 

Journal-Sentinel writers have made the following predictions:

Silverstein = ILB-Devin Bush/Michigan and OT-Kaleb McGary/Washington

Dougherty = ILB-Devin Bush/Michigan and S-Darnell Savage, Jr./Maryland

Wood = OL-Jonah Williams/Alabama and TE-Irv Smith, Jr./Alabama (THIEF, LOL!)

Owczarski = DT-Ed Oliver/Houston and OT-Cody Ford/Oklahoma

[brewcrewdue80]

I'm not for the ideas trading and acquiring a pick in 2020. They've gotta stay within this draft. Gutey went and got 3.5 starters for the team at multi-year deals. It's an urgent desire to win now more than take this as a tank year. You've got the 2 firsts and an early 2nd to give the team starters and immediate help along with those 3.5 starters. Shouldn't be passive. It's why I make the prediction of trading with the Giants who have 12 picks. Then you take the extras if needed to pick up guys in the 2nd or 3rd that have fallen for the taking and need on the team. You take away say #108 and get a 2020 3rd, it'll cost you more picks to move up and get that guy in this draft.

I think it is set up nicely to trade up this year because of the 4th rd picks and early 5th. That move for 2 more would only add to that ability and keeping the 4th and 5ths you don't trade away when moving up. 7 or 8 players in the 1st 4 rounds.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Bob McGinn has a pretty good track record with his mocks, and he has DT Jeffery Simmons going to the Packers at #12, and S Juan Thornhill at #30. While I think both are probably reaches at those spots, I like both players. The Packers are supposedly enamored with Simmons.

 

I'd have a real hard time picking a player that high when it's guaranteed he won't play a down in year one. Common sense says you have to downgrade him by 20% based on that alone. Then one has to assume that he comes back from the injury at 100%. Hard for me to believe that there aren't 12 players better in the draft after the grade is adjusted for the above factors.

 

I do like Simmons as a player and think he could be very special as there aren't that many guys that could fit as a NG, DT or DE in the Packers defense, and Simmons likely could play any of those spots. I also don't have any problems with the incident from many years ago, sounds like Simmons has demonstrated plus-plus character during his time at Mississippi State and McGinn talked to 15 NFL guys about it and all 15 said they weren't concerned with Simmons character moving forward.

 

Journal-Sentinel writers have made the following predictions:

Silverstein = ILB-Devin Bush/Michigan and OT-Kaleb McGary/Washington

Dougherty = ILB-Devin Bush/Michigan and S-Darnell Savage, Jr./Maryland

Wood = OL-Jonah Williams/Alabama and TE-Irv Smith, Jr./Alabama (THIEF, LOL!)

Owczarski = DT-Ed Oliver/Houston and OT-Cody Ford/Oklahoma

 

I'd be good with any of those except Irv Smith at #30. #30 is high for any TE prospect, especially one as "blah" as Irv Smith. I rarely dislike prospects pre-draft, but Smith is on my "I'd be very disappointed" list.

[RollieTime]

 

I think that could very well happen. Also ... watch for the Raiders to make a move if they don't draft a QB at #6. You might even be able to get #24 and #27 for #12. Value is probably out of whack, but it wouldn't be the first time that a team made a desperation move for a QB they liked.

 

Yes, please. We'd probably have to throw a 3rd back their way, but holy crap that'd be an exciting first day.

EDIT: Actually, 12 and 75 is almost perfect for 24 and 27- 1415 vs. 1420.

 

 

Again, throw the scoring out when you're talking about a team desperate to move up for a QB in the first place, then set it on fire in the garbage when you're talking about John Gruden doing so.

 

I'd make them overpay and if they didn't, I'd just take the QB Lock or Jones or whoever it is that they're obviously trying to move up to get.

 

 

 

But that would be a nice get. BUT...for arguments sake, Ed Oliver has dropped to 12 along with...Lock from Missou and the Raiders are offering you that pick? Do you then make that trade? I'm guessing you're operating under the assumption that some of the elite talents will be gone, but what do we need more, a bunch of late 1st and 2nd round picks, or an elite difference maker who has drawn comps to John Randle and Aaron Donald and for good reason?

 

If Oliver is there, you need to take him. Packers can’t be passing up elite defenders (even if he is only a prospect at this point). Packers probably won’t have a first round pick this high for quite a few years. I’ll be very disappointed if they trade down if he’s available.

 

On another note, I’m not sure if anybody has mentioned it or heard about it or not, but I see in 2016, Jeffery Simmons repeatedly punched a 30 year old woman because of a family disputes between his sister and the 30 year old woman. It’s tough to tell but it looks like he punched her 6-7 times while she was on the ground.

 

It’s a hard pass on Simmons for me. That’s a character issue in my eyes and not just a one time incident with how violent the altercation on video was. Even if it was a one time incident and he hasn’t struck anyone since, I still have no interest in drafting him. But the way he handled that situation, that is how he is.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

If Oliver is there, you need to take him. Packers can’t be passing up elite defenders (even if he is only a prospect at this point). Packers probably won’t have a first round pick this high for quite a few years. I’ll be very disappointed if they trade down if he’s available.

 

On another note, I’m not sure if anybody has mentioned it or heard about it or not, but I see in 2016, Jeffery Simmons repeatedly punched a 30 year old woman because of a family disputes between his sister and the 30 year old woman. It’s tough to tell but it looks like he punched her 6-7 times while she was on the ground.

 

It’s a hard pass on Simmons for me. That’s a character issue in my eyes and not just a one time incident with how violent the altercation on video was. Even if it was a one time incident and he hasn’t struck anyone since, I still have no interest in drafting him. But the way he handled that situation, that is how he is.

 

Counterpoint on Simmons: He was in high school at the time, and was supposedly defending his sister after the lady threatened her and brought up the sister's history of miscarriages. Scary situation that he handled like an idiot no doubt, but I think it's important to see both sides. He was known as a team leader with absolutely no character concerns in his time in college. I'm not arguing that the incident isn't an issue, but that it may be possible that it's being blown out of proportion.

[JosephC]

 

 

On another note, I’m not sure if anybody has mentioned it or heard about it or not, but I see in 2016, Jeffery Simmons repeatedly punched a 30 year old woman because of a family disputes between his sister and the 30 year old woman. It’s tough to tell but it looks like he punched her 6-7 times while she was on the ground.

 

It’s a hard pass on Simmons for me. That’s a character issue in my eyes and not just a one time incident with how violent the altercation on video was. Even if it was a one time incident and he hasn’t struck anyone since, I still have no interest in drafting him. But the way he handled that situation, that is how he is.

 

If your sister had a history of miscarriages, and a woman walked up to your sister and said, "F--- you and your dead babies" which sparked a fight between the two and then you jumped in and threw some punches in a moment of anger for a statement as infuriating as that....as just an 18 year old kid...believe it or not, I wouldn't hold it against you three years later. Especially not if you were a good, model citizen prior to the incident and have been a model citizen since that time. There are all sorts of stories out there with people vouching for Simmons as a "good character" individual both before and after the incident.

[RollieTime]

Fair points guys. Mentioning somebody’s past miscarriages is beyond low. I don’t know him personally at all obviously and I’m sure if the Packers have legit interest, they will scour every aspect of his life to check for past instances of physical altercations or extreme anger issues. I think the way he handled it is still very concerning as he could of pulled the lady off and ended it in a better way. He’s a massive guy. I would still pass on him as the multiple blows to her head/shoulder area seems like he has issues controlling his anger and that can lead to other past altercations arising or future altercations all the more likely to occur.

[nodakfan17]

 

 

On another note, I’m not sure if anybody has mentioned it or heard about it or not, but I see in 2016, Jeffery Simmons repeatedly punched a 30 year old woman because of a family disputes between his sister and the 30 year old woman. It’s tough to tell but it looks like he punched her 6-7 times while she was on the ground.

 

It’s a hard pass on Simmons for me. That’s a character issue in my eyes and not just a one time incident with how violent the altercation on video was. Even if it was a one time incident and he hasn’t struck anyone since, I still have no interest in drafting him. But the way he handled that situation, that is how he is.

 

If your sister had a history of miscarriages, and a woman walked up to your sister and said, "F--- you and your dead babies" which sparked a fight between the two and then you jumped in and threw some punches in a moment of anger for a statement as infuriating as that....as just an 18 year old kid...believe it or not, I wouldn't hold it against you three years later. Especially not if you were a good, model citizen prior to the incident and have been a model citizen since that time. There are all sorts of stories out there with people vouching for Simmons as a "good character" individual both before and after the incident.

 

The incident itself isn’t necessarily disqualifying, but even with proper context, it’s still a red flag. Add the ACL and the fact he’d basically have to red shirt - it’s a pass for me too.

[FVBrewerFan]

Oliver will not be available at 12, not a chance. If they decide to trade up to get him, I'm on board. The thought of him and Kenny Clark lining up together would be awesome. Especially since the way I see the board going, nobody left at 12 really excites me. Trade up again lower in the 1st and get the best O lineman. Quality over quantity draft.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Yeah, Sweat's heart is unfortunately a time bomb, especially since he's working, well, in sports... Poor guy should get a cushy job that wouldn't be too hard on his heart, but he's one hell of a great player and can't really leave the career and earn a fraction of his current wage for a job he likes less...

 

Word is breaking now that Sweat was misdiagnosed, and the heart "issue" really isn't an issue at all. That might change things.

 

If I'm the Packers, and Sweat is sitting there at #12, it would be hard not to consider him.

[PeaveyFury]

I'm not for the ideas trading and acquiring a pick in 2020. They've gotta stay within this draft. Gutey went and got 3.5 starters for the team at multi-year deals. It's an urgent desire to win now more than take this as a tank year. You've got the 2 firsts and an early 2nd to give the team starters and immediate help along with those 3.5 starters. Shouldn't be passive. It's why I make the prediction of trading with the Giants who have 12 picks. Then you take the extras if needed to pick up guys in the 2nd or 3rd that have fallen for the taking and need on the team. You take away say #108 and get a 2020 3rd, it'll cost you more picks to move up and get that guy in this draft.

I think it is set up nicely to trade up this year because of the 4th rd picks and early 5th. That move for 2 more would only add to that ability and keeping the 4th and 5ths you don't trade away when moving up. 7 or 8 players in the 1st 4 rounds.

 

No one is advocating for trading their pick for a pick next year and not 'staying within the draft.' What we're supportive of is a move like they made last year- moving down 3-5 spots and grabbing a 1st next year IN ADDITION. That's a sound strategy, but so is grabbing extra 2nd-day picks if that works too.

[JosephC]

Yeah, Sweat's heart is unfortunately a time bomb, especially since he's working, well, in sports... Poor guy should get a cushy job that wouldn't be too hard on his heart, but he's one hell of a great player and can't really leave the career and earn a fraction of his current wage for a job he likes less...

 

Word is breaking now that Sweat was misdiagnosed, and the heart "issue" really isn't an issue at all. That might change things.

 

If I'm the Packers, and Sweat is sitting there at #12, it would be hard not to consider him.

 

That's just a bit odd. Sweat's DLine coach at Mississippi State has said that he knew about Sweat's heart problem at Mississippi State and it was never an issue. He even made a comment that the Michigan State doctors knew about it when Sweat was there. So obviously this had been diagnosed many years earlier, and then the doctors in Indy diagnosed it, and on the day of the draft now everyone previously had screwed up and it's not an issue at all? Sounds a bit fishy.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2832503-whats-the-story-with-montez-sweat

 

Have to believe that if the Packer doctors disqualified him, that this latest report will not put him back on Gutekunst's board. If the Packer doctors cleared him, then Gutekunst had him on the board and I don't think this late report changes his evaluation. Some news for the fans but I very much doubt if it holds any significance for 30 NFL teams.

[nodakfan17]

Knowing that the Packers aren’t expecting any comp picks next year, I wouldn’t be upset if they picked up an extra pick in 2020 by trading down. Only so many guys can make the team. That being said, Rodgers’ window is closing and I wouldn’t trade out of a spot solely for the purpose of acquiring picks. It has to make sense on multiple levels.

[patrickgpe]

obviously you only do this if there are multiple players that you like around and you are sure you will get one where you move down to.

 

I fully support a trade like last year, I also wouldn't be upset if they packaged their "free" pick with 12 to move up, to get one of the elite defenders.

 

 

There are all of these teams talking about trading down, but besides the Skins, I have not heard about teams looking to get into the top 10.

[reillymcshane]

I'm going:

 

- ILB Devin Bush at #12

- WR A.J. Brown at #30

- S Nasir Adderley for our 2nd round pick

[lcbj68c]

 

Yes. Livid. I'm in the minority and I know it. I just feel that up the middle, I can deal with 3 Howard Greens and call it a day. At #12 or higher, I'd rather find a dynamic ILB, DE, OL, or TE, as the OP stated are needs. Again, I'm in the minority and that's okay. If they are going to move up to the point at which Oliver would be available...top 3 to 5 as has been mocked, I'd rather it not be for an interior DL who gets me 26 tackles and 1.5 sacks per season. Howard Green can do that.

 

 

You realize that Gary is 5'4, 280 and ran a 4.58 40, right? And that he's listed as an edge. And Oliver is a Donald-esque talent who ran a 4.7 40. I do realize the peripherals on Gary. I've seen him listed at interior DL. I'm not that enamored with Aaron Donald either. Again, I'm in the minority. They are placeholders to me in the same way as a gunner on special teams. Somebody talented can do it, but I'm not going out of my way to ignore positions of need to take the best interior defensive lineman. I do respect your opinion.

 

And nowhere in this discussion has anyone suggested that we move up to 3-5 to pick up Oliver. I also haven't seen him mocked that high since last off-season. And Gary certainly hasn't. I think you're confusing Oliver for Williams. He's universally regarded as a top 2-5 pick. Not this discussion, no. The reason I suggested moving up is I DID see Oliver mocked at 3, 6, 9 and other places. I don't want to pick a DL in the first round, let alone move up for one. I realize there are hundreds of mocks that might better indicate Oliver will go 12 to 15 or 20 or 30, I just don't have the time to read them all. http://walterfootball.com/draft2019.php (#3 to the Jets)

 

But the most ridiculous part of this is that you just assume that these linemen will "get you 26 tackles and 1.5 sacks." Kenny Clark got you 6 sacks and 55 tackles last year playing the nose(though I can't think of a worse way to judge a player than by tackles. Even sacks are overrated as pressures and QB hits are far more telling). If you get a guy like Oliver or Gary, you're looking at a double digit sack guy who gets you 50-60 QB pressures a year and can play the run. The only question with Gary is how consistent he can be, otherwise he'd be right up there with Allen and Bosa(the later of which would play the same position as Gary or Oliver most likely in GB). It's not so much that I'm assuming per the individual per say, it's just an average for the position and the type of scheme I would prefer for the defense for my favorite team. Suh from Nebraska for example. Dominant player at the position for a number of years, but I'd rather have "just a guy" there. If you think Gary is an edge rusher or can move to OLB, then fine, but everything I see listed is at DT

 

 

There's a reason Howard Green was on the street when the Packers signed him. As I said, the single most effective way to disrupt an offense is to get a pass rush up the middle. It's just REALLY rare you find players who can do that. If a guy like Oliver falls to us at 12, I doubt we pass on him. But if you go with a fat, slow, immobile 5 or 9 technique, we'd be in trouble. We also had guys like Clay Matthews, BJ Raji at his best(not a 26 tackle, 1.5 sack season from him), Collins and Woodson. You can cover up a guy like Howard. You can't win with 3 of them along your line. Street DT. I love the concept. I think you understand my thinking and desire with your paragraph. I want to be talented and play a scheme with DB, S, LB, that I can over "deficiencies at DT" with Kenny Clark and a Howard Green lookalike.

 

I get it's cliche, but it's cliche for a reason. Games are won and lost on on the OL and DL. Throw out Kenny Clark, a hopefully rejuvenated Mike Daniels and a guy like Ed Oliver and that's gonna make a far biggest impact on your defense than an off-ball LB'er.

I didn't ask for an off the ball LB in the first round. The kid from Georgia last year that I believe the Bears took is what I would be looking for. Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels, street FA + Devin White or Joash Allen is going to be a better result than Clark, Daniels, Oren Burks, and Jeffrey Simmons/Ed Oliver. Again, I respect your opinion and realize I'm in the minority with my thoughts.

[lcbj68c]

 

Yes. Livid. I'm in the minority and I know it. I just feel that up the middle, I can deal with 3 Howard Greens and call it a day. At #12 or higher, I'd rather find a dynamic ILB, DE, OL, or TE, as the OP stated are needs. Again, I'm in the minority and that's okay. If they are going to move up to the point at which Oliver would be available...top 3 to 5 as has been mocked, I'd rather it not be for an interior DL who gets me 26 tackles and 1.5 sacks per season. Howard Green can do that.

 

 

 

This is ALMOST like saying you wouldn't mind having an an INF of Yuni Betencourt's because...hey, we had one before and the team overall was good and despite the fact that he was a bad player most of his career, he made that good play in the SB!!!!

 

NO! You cannot just pass on the foundation of your defense.

 

 

And I might be selling Yuni B short in this comp. I mean...at least Yuni had a couple of good years early in his career. That's more than we can say for Green. Glad he hit got his hand in the air when Big Ben was backed up to force that Collins pick,but that's about all he did of substance.

 

 

But...I guess you've said you know you're in the minority, so....I'd just suggest you look at the best defenses in the NFL. They almost ALWAYS had a deep front. in fact, we've seen teams win SB's BECAUSE of their deep DL. WE'd just be passing on the position group as a whole here. The Pats dynasty was built on a defensive mind set that centered around Vince Wolfork and guys like Richard Seymour(they still like those types of bodies, the long limbed, athletic DL). The Giants beat that historic Pats team with a dominant pass rush with,Osi, Tuck, Strahan. The Bears last year had Mack and Akeem Hicks as their DE's when they made a big jump. The Seahawks were able to rotate defensive linemen to just keep pressuring the passer. The Texans defense that is year in and year out elite has JJ Watt at defensive END in their scheme(along with DJ Reader playing the other DE spot).

 

I could go on, but...man, you just don't see many teams throw out 3 guys who are on the street half way through the season and be successful with them. The Rams were in the Super Bowl this year because they had Donald playing DE...and they probably should have had Such playing DE as well, but he sacrificed a little in the way of stats to play the nose and eat some blocks for the other guys.

 

 

By the way, just one more thing to point out...and I just totally missed it because of your "3 Howard Green" statements. But you realize that almost all the players we're talking about here are Defensive ENDS, right? Oliver is a DE in the NFL, Gary is a OLB'er/DE hybrid?

 

Very possible that given how talented they are, both Williams AND Wilkens end up playing at DE for the Packers as well(if there was a shot that Williams fell to us). I think you're confusing defensive ends with NT's. And there I disagree with you. The Packers defense was extremely reliane on Ryan Pickett for years at the nose....but I would understand more your opinion to just throw out a big body who can eat up blocks there....though I'd still disagree as I think having a guy like Clark who can collapse the pocket is an extrodinarly luxury and makes life easier for everyone else. But...what you're basically saying is that if the Packers took Nick Bosa, because he's a DE(and one that's not as athletic as Oliver or Gary) you'd be livid?

 

You have NT and then 2 ENDS. A guy who lines up on the guards outside shoulder and one who lines up on the tackles. Those are your defensive ends and the exact guys we're talking about. Kenny Clark is well established as our NT and he's probably 1st up when they start dolling out extensions and he's likely to get a big one. Just gonna guess, but I'd say 4 years 55 million with 30+ guaranteed. And he's worth every penny. He's the player you build your 3-4 around(which is why we drafted Raji desite the fact that TT had Crabtree rated as the best player in that particular draft, you NEED that 0 technique to clog things up.

 

Although Pettine is a bit different. He likes his linemen to get penetration more...and that's nobody in his draft better at that as a 5 than Ed Oliver IMO.

 

 

So long story short, you say DE is a position of need and that's what you want drafted, but then say you'd be livid if we drafted some freakishly talented ones. I don't really understand that.

 

No. I don't want a pure 0-technique NT as a high first round pick in any given year. DE, absolutely. If the plan is to transition a smaller, athletic interior DL to DE or ILB, then great! Come on over! Kenny Clark (27th?), Ryan Pickett (drafted 30th by St. Louis?), are all great players and I was not livid to have them or pick them near the end of the first round. I'm just of the opinion that in a 3-4, I'd rather have two dynamic, fly to the ball ILB on my team than picking a 0-tech DT at #12 (or worse! = move up to take one) when we have a mighty fine DT in Kenny Clark already.

Edited April 25, 2019 by lcbj68c

[JosephC]

What's a pure 5-technique NT? Have to assume there was a typo in there somewhere?

[Point Beer Is Best]

RE: Simmons and his character concerns. One obvious ace in the hole is that Luke Getsy spent last year at Mississippi State, so he will have some knowledge about Simmons and no doubt be able leverage his connections there to know everything that the coaching staff knew about him when allowed him to come on campus and play football. That being said, even if there are no concerns going forward, taking a guy at #12 with a torn ACL doesn't seem like a great idea.

[lcbj68c]

What's a pure 5-technique NT? Have to assume there was a typo in there somewhere?

Sorry, meant 0-Tech. Don't want one at #12 or higher.

[JosephC]

Sounds like I've already botched my projection at #12 before things have even begun. Rumors are that Coughlin loves Jonah Williams and is taking him at #7. Most of this pre-draft stuff I just roll my eyes at, but Williams does seem like an ideal player for Coughlin considering he's been pretty vocal about being open to playing any spot along the line and doing whatever the team feels is best. Can't really see why smoke-screening serves any purpose here, the next guy on their list would probably be Hockenson and I just can't see any team wanting to trade over Jacksonville to take Hockenson with a higher pick.

 

If Williams goes at #7, does that push Washington State LT-Ander Dillard to the Packer's pick at #12? I think it's pretty likely he's available and he'd be a hard guy to pass up, even with the concerns with the system he played in at Washington State.

[lcbj68c]

Sounds like I've already botched my projection at #12 before things have even begun. Rumors are that Coughlin loves Jonah Williams and is taking him at #7. Most of this pre-draft stuff I just roll my eyes at, but Williams does seem like an ideal player for Coughlin considering he's been pretty vocal about being open to playing any spot along the line and doing whatever the team feels is best. Can't really see why smoke-screening serves any purpose here, the next guy on their list would probably be Hockenson and I just can't see any team wanting to trade over Jacksonville to take Hockenson with a higher pick.

 

If Williams goes at #7, does that push Washington State LT-Ander Dillard to the Packer's pick at #12? I think it's pretty likely he's available and he'd be a hard guy to pass up, even with the concerns with the system he played in at Washington State.

 

Pretty sure Demvoksey had Dillard at #12 and Simmons at #30.