2019 Green Bay Packers draft preview and predictions

[PeaveyFury]

I still think these are the big need areas and are spots that get filled with the first three picks: TE, OT, ILB, S, DE.

 

This! Which is why I'll be livid if it's interior defensive lineman like Oliver, Q. Williams,

 

If they have a chance to take one of those two and pass, I'll be equally livid. They're impact players on the line. They almost certainly won't have the chance, though.

[OnTheBlack]

I still think these are the big need areas and are spots that get filled with the first three picks: TE, OT, ILB, S, DE.

 

This! Which is why I'll be livid if it's interior defensive lineman like Oliver, Q. Williams, Rashan Gary, Christian Wilkins, etc.

 

Prob going to cost a ton, but I'd prefer they get a dynamic defender like Devin White. Absent that, just take the best OL available at #12 and hopefully Fant is there at 30.

 

 

You'd be "livid" if they picked arguably the two most physically talented players in this draft(Oliver, Gary)?

 

The best way to screw up a draft is to go into a draft that's loaded with talent at a particular area and pass on the BPA to go for the best player at a perceived area of need.

 

Gary is a guy who reminds me of a Edge version of Albert Haynesworth. Someone who could dominate, but doesn't because of effort. But I haven't spent the time the Packers have on scouting him. If they believe guys like Kenny Clark, Daniels, Lowry and company can get him to work, he could be a stud.

 

Oliver could be a Randle/Donald type talent. He's not a DT, he's a ideal 5 technique who I could see racking up double digit sacks and doing so early on.

 

I personally would be so much more against them taking an off-ball LB'er at 12. I just don't think they're worth it.

[OnTheBlack]

I still think these are the big need areas and are spots that get filled with the first three picks: TE, OT, ILB, S, DE.

 

This! Which is why I'll be livid if it's interior defensive lineman like Oliver, Q. Williams,

 

If they have a chance to take one of those two and pass, I'll be equally livid. They're impact players on the line. They almost certainly won't have the chance, though.

 

I didn't even notice that he had Q. Williams listed there. I have him in that Bosa/Allen group, so I think barring them selling out to trade up, he's going well before we pick. But I agree 100 pct, if there's a Laramey Tunsil type situation with him...which would still almost certainly not drop him out of the top 10, but if there were, I'd be thrilled. I pressure coming up the middle is more difficult for an offense to deal with than outside pass rush pressure. It's just exceedingly rare to find a guy who can get pressure up the middle.

 

 

 

What about taking Simmons at 30? A guy who would have been a top 10 pick who fell because of an injury that just about everyone comes back from, and a guy who could come in at the end of this year and make an impact. Obviously it's not ideal to take a guy you know is going to miss a big chunk of the season, but that type of talent dropping to 30? That's the type of risk/reward that can pay massive dividends.

[lcbj68c]

I still think these are the big need areas and are spots that get filled with the first three picks: TE, OT, ILB, S, DE.

 

This! Which is why I'll be livid if it's interior defensive lineman like Oliver, Q. Williams, Rashan Gary, Christian Wilkins, etc.

 

Prob going to cost a ton, but I'd prefer they get a dynamic defender like Devin White. Absent that, just take the best OL available at #12 and hopefully Fant is there at 30.

 

 

You'd be "livid" if they picked arguably the two most physically talented players in this draft(Oliver, Gary)?

 

The best way to screw up a draft is to go into a draft that's loaded with talent at a particular area and pass on the BPA to go for the best player at a perceived area of need.

 

 

Yes. Livid. I'm in the minority and I know it. I just feel that up the middle, I can deal with 3 Howard Greens and call it a day. At #12 or higher, I'd rather find a dynamic ILB, DE, OL, or TE, as the OP stated are needs. Again, I'm in the minority and that's okay. If they are going to move up to the point at which Oliver would be available...top 3 to 5 as has been mocked, I'd rather it not be for an interior DL who gets me 26 tackles and 1.5 sacks per season. Howard Green can do that.

[OnTheBlack]

While I don’t think any of these players will be around at these picks, my A plus draft for the packers is

1a Oliver

1b Fant or Brown

2 Harry or I. Smith

 

I am ok if they go offensive line at 12, like some suggested or get a pass rusher like bruins at 12. I think the only disaster pick is metcalf at 12. Oliver is impossible to get a read on I’ve seen him between 3-14 today. The quality of this first pick will depend on how many teams reach for a web above 12. I will be celebrating each one that does. In my humble opinion there isn’t a single quarterback worthy of going in the top half of the 1st based on ability alone, with the possible exception of Murray (who has no business going first overall)

 

 

The ONLY thing I'd disagree with here is that there's no QB worthy of going in the top 16, but there isn't one that is good enough for US to draft in the top 16. Rodgers is all in and wants to play into his 40's. He's not jerking us around like Favre was. I wouldn't hate to see them take Lock or Jones at 30. You get him for 5 years pretty cheap then and hopefully he develops into a good backup. But since Rodgers, QB's don't fall down draft boards the same, so I think it's more likely that 4 will be gone in the top half than one of those two drops to us.

 

 

DJ Metcalf-He's a 3rd round pick who has tweeted his way into the 1st round discussion. He wasn't the best WR'er on his own team. He's not like Calvin or other WR'ers who were physically dominant AND performed in college. The biggest knock him is his agility in and out of cuts. How does that mesh with Rodgers and what he wants in a WR'er? We have talented big WR'ers with elite speed and good YAC ability. We need a crisp, quick, agile route runner. A Greg Jennings type talent is what we've been missing for a while.

 

So agree 100 pct there. I love your top 3. The ONLY thing I'd do is make that 3rd pick one of the big CB's. Williams has been falling down boards. If he fell to 44, you'd have to take him. Maybe if King wasn't such a willing tackler in the run game, he'd get through a few games without a shoulder injury. But a pass rusher, an big time threat in the passing game and then another long, physical-press corner would be the dream draft for me.

 

As an FSU fan, I don't like Burns. He's like a Anthony Barr type talent, but he seems immature and I'm not sure he's tough enough to be an impact player in the NFL.

 

 

With regard to the OL in the 1st, Jonah Williams is a guy who's getting knocked now because of short arms. Not sure how much I care about that. Plenty of guys have succeeded with shorter than ideal arms at tackle. He held up for 4 years in the SEC playing elite competition game in and game out. But if the Packers view him as a future guard and not a future RT, I really hope they pass on him. If they think he can take over for Bulaga, and Oliver and the other elite defensive talents are gone, go for it.

 

 

You look at what Frank Clark got after one year of big production(106, ~65 guaranteed) or even what the Packers did with Za'Darius Smith, 4/64 or Preston 4/52 and it's obvious how important it is to get these types of impact pass rushers, and in this draft, in the first round, they are abundant.

[brewcrewdue80]

This is my first prediction. Packers trade down with the Giants. It's a hard fit so bear me with all this to make it work.

 

GB gets #17, #37, #95, and #108

 

Giants get #12 and #44. Trade value is 1660 GB and 1678 for NYG.

 

Why this trade. Giants make the move for a QB ahead of Washington and to take Dwayne Haskins or Drew Lock.

GB moves back to a spot where they will get value or better on whoever they draft on their big board. Move up in the 2nd round. Gain what is likely moveable 3rd/4th to trade up maybe even back in to the 2nd round.

 

So the picks at 17 30 and 37.

Hmm. It's going to be wrong because somebody better will fall in to their lap. Brian Burnes Edge FSU.

30. Greg Little OT. Since the team doesn't need him to start immediately, his upside to take over in 2020 for Bulaga and learn without pressure to start will be a benefit to perform more consistently to that upside.

37. N'Keal Harry The team's answer for Randall Cobb's departure. You know how GB does in the 2nd with WR.

 

You have the draft ammo to trade up back in to 2nd. or in to the 3rd. 5 picks in top 100 maybe top 80?

[lcbj68c]

This is my first prediction. Packers trade down with the Giants. It's a hard fit so bear me with all this to make it work.

 

GB gets #17, #37, #95, and #108

 

Giants get #12 and #44. Trade value is 1660 GB and 1678 for NYG.

 

Why this trade. Giants make the move for a QB ahead of Washington and to take Dwayne Haskins or Drew Lock.

GB moves back to a spot where they will get value or better on whoever they draft on their big board. Move up in the 2nd round. Gain what is likely moveable 3rd/4th to trade up maybe even back in to the 2nd round.

 

So the picks at 17 30 and 37.

Hmm. It's going to be wrong because somebody better will fall in to their lap. Brian Burnes Edge FSU.

30. Greg Little OT. Since the team doesn't need him to start immediately, his upside to take over in 2020 for Bulaga and learn without pressure to start will be a benefit to perform more consistently to that upside.

37. N'Keal Harry The team's answer for Randall Cobb's departure. You know how GB does in the 2nd with WR.

 

You have the draft ammo to trade up back in to 2nd. or in to the 3rd. 5 picks in top 100 maybe top 80?

 

Realistic and thoughtful. I buy it and I'd be satisfied.

[reillymcshane]

Another thing the Packers could do is trade down. Let's say there's no one at #12 that they are in love with - they could drop down 3-6 slots - pick up an addition pick or two - and still get the player they want.

 

So much depends on who drops. And a lot of that depends if quarterbacks go off the board early. The Giants and Broncos could, potentially, take QBs in the top 10. If they do, that means some better talent falls to us.

 

We will just have to see.

[brewcrewdue80]

I had to look at what was below us to trade down and an obvious reason is for a QB. I think Haskins will be that trade up for. Looking I figured this. Miami has a need at 13. As does Washington at 15. And the Giants need to move on past Eli Manning. Moving up to nab Haskins I'd figure the most leaves Miami to likely take Lock. Leaves Washington high and dry to ignore QB now in the 1st round. GB and NY also are capable to make a trade near exact value. Giants fans will take it as a win with the move and still having #44 makes them happy to retain such a high pick.

 

Now what will for sure happen is Washington trades up ahead of GB to avoid this scenario some how and we instead get a top 10 player who fell due to it.

[OnTheBlack]

 

Yes. Livid. I'm in the minority and I know it. I just feel that up the middle, I can deal with 3 Howard Greens and call it a day. At #12 or higher, I'd rather find a dynamic ILB, DE, OL, or TE, as the OP stated are needs. Again, I'm in the minority and that's okay. If they are going to move up to the point at which Oliver would be available...top 3 to 5 as has been mocked, I'd rather it not be for an interior DL who gets me 26 tackles and 1.5 sacks per season. Howard Green can do that.

 

 

You realize that Gary is 5'4, 280 and ran a 4.58 40, right? And that he's listed as an edge. And Oliver is a Donald-esque talent who ran a 4.7 40.

 

And nowhere in this discussion has anyone suggested that we move up to 3-5 to pick up Oliver. I also haven't seen him mocked that high since last off-season. And Gary certainly hasn't. I think you're confusing Oliver for Williams. He's universally regarded as a top 2-5 pick.

 

But the most ridiculous part of this is that you just assume that these linemen will "get you 26 tackles and 1.5 sacks." Kenny Clark got you 6 sacks and 55 tackles last year playing the nose(though I can't think of a worse way to judge a player than by tackles. Even sacks are overrated as pressures and QB hits are far more telling). If you get a guy like Oliver or Gary, you're looking at a double digit sack guy who gets you 50-60 QB pressures a year and can play the run. The only question with Gary is how consistent he can be, otherwise he'd be right up there with Allen and Bosa(the later of which would play the same position as Gary or Oliver most likely in GB).

 

 

There's a reason Howard Green was on the street when the Packers signed him. As I said, the single most effective way to disrupt an offense is to get a pass rush up the middle. It's just REALLY rare you find players who can do that. If a guy like Oliver falls to us at 12, I doubt we pass on him. But if you go with a fat, slow, immobile 5 or 9 technique, we'd be in trouble. We also had guys like Clay Matthews, BJ Raji at his best(not a 26 tackle, 1.5 sack season from him), Collins and Woodson. You can cover up a guy like Howard. You can't win with 3 of them along your line.

 

I get it's cliche, but it's cliche for a reason. Games are won and lost on on the OL and DL. Throw out Kenny Clark, a hopefully rejuvenated Mike Daniels and a guy like Ed Oliver and that's gonna make a far biggest impact on your defense than an off-ball LB'er.

[OnTheBlack]

Another thing the Packers could do is trade down. Let's say there's no one at #12 that they are in love with - they could drop down 3-6 slots - pick up an addition pick or two - and still get the player they want.

 

So much depends on who drops. And a lot of that depends if quarterbacks go off the board early. The Giants and Broncos could, potentially, take QBs in the top 10. If they do, that means some better talent falls to us.

 

We will just have to see.

 

 

QB runs have benefited many teams sitting where the Packers are right now. You have to assume that Haskins is a top 10 pick, the Giants are said to be big fans of Lock, so the trade proposal listed above makes sense.

 

I guess if the pass rushers are mostly gone, at least the ones who you think are difference makers, I'd rather see them move down than take Hockenson at 12 or even Jonah Williams.

 

All this would be that much better if we could take a couple of those picks, move back up into the 1st and nab Jeremy Simmons. Get that 5th year from him and get a steal who fell because of an ACL.

 

Using that scenario, 17th-Hockenson, 30th-Best Pass Rusher available, and then add Jeremy Simmons into the mix wherever they end up in the 1st.

 

This is starting to get a little too confusing though. I'd just like to see them come away with a guy who can be a big time difference maker as a pass rusher with their top pick and I hope one of Oliver falls to us, a couple immediate impact threats for Arod...and I go back and forth on Hockenson, how good he is. Some are saying he's the safest pick in the draft and could end up being an elite TE who can block and be a Kelce like threat in the passing game, and then hopefully a play maker in the secondary.

[OnTheBlack]

I had to look at what was below us to trade down and an obvious reason is for a QB. I think Haskins will be that trade up for. Looking I figured this. Miami has a need at 13. As does Washington at 15. And the Giants need to move on past Eli Manning. Moving up to nab Haskins I'd figure the most leaves Miami to likely take Lock. Leaves Washington high and dry to ignore QB now in the 1st round. GB and NY also are capable to make a trade near exact value. Giants fans will take it as a win with the move and still having #44 makes them happy to retain such a high pick.

 

Now what will for sure happen is Washington trades up ahead of GB to avoid this scenario some how and we instead get a top 10 player who fell due to it.

 

 

Washington is the type of team I'd love to trade with. Try and steal a 1st from them next year. Hell, maybe you even try and get their 2021 1st when Trevor Lawrence is going to be on of the most coveted draft prospects of all time.

 

One of those trades with a team that could easily fall apart and leave the Packers with a top pick in a draft class with a clear cut, elite #1 QB prospect. Tula or Lawrence. Again, I'm making this way more convoluted than it needs to be and it's totally unrealistic.

[RollieTime]

This is what I’m hoping the Packers do with their first few picks.

 

With the number 12 pick, I’m hoping for Montez Sweat. If Sweat is off the board, I would hope Hockenson is still available. If those two are gone, I would look to trade down to the 16-20 range unless someone like Ed Oliver is somehow still available at 12.

 

For pick 30, S Nasir Adderley would be my top choice here and I think he has a good shot at being available at 30. Noah Fant would be my second choice if we were unable to land Hockenson at 12. WR Marquise Brown would be my third option, but I don’t think he will make it to us here.

 

At 44, WR Riley Ridley is my top choice as a replacement for Cobb in the slot from Day 1. Otherwise, WR Deebo Samuel would be my second choice here to replace Cobb. Packers lack speed at WR and struggle at getting separation. Adding a couple young wide receivers to open up the field would be a welcome addition to this team.

 

At 75, OL Tytus Howard is my top pick. He might not be available at 75, but if he is, he could be a steal. OL Yodny Cajuste would be my second choice, but he does have injury concerns. TE Jace Sternberger is my third choice if we still haven’t drafted a tight end up to this point.

 

Excited to get the draft underway! It’ll be interesting to see what Gutekunst does in his second draft.

[HiAndTight]

This is my first prediction. Packers trade down with the Giants. It's a hard fit so bear me with all this to make it work.

 

GB gets #17, #37, #95, and #108

 

Giants get #12 and #44. Trade value is 1660 GB and 1678 for NYG.

 

Why this trade. Giants make the move for a QB ahead of Washington and to take Dwayne Haskins or Drew Lock.

GB moves back to a spot where they will get value or better on whoever they draft on their big board. Move up in the 2nd round. Gain what is likely moveable 3rd/4th to trade up maybe even back in to the 2nd round.

 

So the picks at 17 30 and 37.

Hmm. It's going to be wrong because somebody better will fall in to their lap. Brian Burnes Edge FSU.

30. Greg Little OT. Since the team doesn't need him to start immediately, his upside to take over in 2020 for Bulaga and learn without pressure to start will be a benefit to perform more consistently to that upside.

37. N'Keal Harry The team's answer for Randall Cobb's departure. You know how GB does in the 2nd with WR.

 

You have the draft ammo to trade up back in to 2nd. or in to the 3rd. 5 picks in top 100 maybe top 80?

 

Little is a guy that is going in the 3rd and even 4th rounds of some mock drafts. Definitely not a fan of him there.

 

Harry is a nice player, but he's a physical guy who doesn't create much separation. He's a good player and worthy of going in that spot, but we have enough of those guys. I'd rather reach for Campbell at 37 than take a guy who is a poor mans Adams.

 

He is not a replacement for Cobb as he's not quick in and out of breaks. A good WR'er, but I'd prefer a more polished route runner with better quickness.

 

And sorry to do this because I think your projected trade makes sense. I even think the Packers could use that 37 to trade back into the 1st round, but I do NOT want Burns. He's soft and after the spectacle he made of his interview with the Packers, he'd have to fall to our first pick in the 3rd round for us to take him. I think he got pissy and actually got up and walked out because the Packers played some of his lowlights and asked questions that he didn't like. Question that...at least according to his agent who was pissed at him, were not the questions Dez got or questions about being Gay or out of line.

 

If we're going 17/30/37, I like Hock if he's there, I like the idea of Simmons of Miss State if the top 2 TE's are gone and we didn't get one prior and at 37 BPA, preferably in the secondary. If it's a good corner, they can move guys like Jackson around and he can play safety along with Williams, if it's a safety, all the better so we're not trying to make guys fit. Amos is a guy who can play either safety and Pettine's D calls for versatility in his safeties, so Adderly,Rapp, those guys make sense there.

 

Ideally, Hock, Simmons, Campbell...in your proposal.

 

 

Though if the Giants want to move up to get a QB and jump other teams, they're going to have to pay more than Jimmy Johnson's card says picks are worth. Not all picks are equal. If Lock, the guy they want, is available at 12, I'd be asking for next years 1st, the 17th pick and we'll send 'em a 4th round pick back. They have to overpay. That card doesn't account for rare situations. Like if you believe a player is your franchise QB and you badly need one like the Giants do.

[HiAndTight]

This is what I’m hoping the Packers do with their first few picks.

 

With the number 12 pick, I’m hoping for Montez Sweat. If Sweat is off the board, I would hope Hockenson is still available. If those two are gone, I would look to trade down to the 16-20 range unless someone like Ed Oliver is somehow still available at 12.

 

For pick 30, S Nasir Adderley would be my top choice here and I think he has a good shot at being available at 30. Noah Fant would be my second choice if we were unable to land Hockenson at 12. WR Marquise Brown would be my third option, but I don’t think he will make it to us here.

 

At 44, WR Riley Ridley is my top choice as a replacement for Cobb in the slot from Day 1. Otherwise, WR Deebo Samuel would be my second choice here to replace Cobb. Packers lack speed at WR and struggle at getting separation. Adding a couple young wide receivers to open up the field would be a welcome addition to this team.

 

At 75, OL Tytus Howard is my top pick. He might not be available at 75, but if he is, he could be a steal. OL Yodny Cajuste would be my second choice, but he does have injury concerns. TE Jace Sternberger is my third choice if we still haven’t drafted a tight end up to this point.

 

Excited to get the draft underway! It’ll be interesting to see what Gutekunst does in his second draft.

 

 

 

That's an awesome draft. Now in the 4th round, get that edge from Michigan, and then grab a RB in there and that's an awesome draft in MY opinion. If guys fall...like Oliver, it gets even better.

 

Awesome breakdown. I love the guys you named. Not only good fits and players at positions of need, but they'll likely be among the best players available.

 

Chase Winovich is the player who's name I couldn't recall. He's compared to a more physical but less agile and athletic TJ Watt. He was a more productive edge player for Michigan and he ran a 4.59 at his pro day and could be one of the steals of the draft. If they could manage to get him in the 4th...or even in the 3rd, that'd be a great get.

 

We got two solid pass rushers this free agent period, we need to just keep pilling them up. We need 5-6 GOOD pass rushers. Assuming the Smiths fit that, we've got Clark, the two FA's and then MAYBE Daniels if he's healthy and the same could be said if we brought back Wilkerson(unless he signed and I missed it).

 

I do know this, I PRAY we are NOT counting on Kyler Fackrell to be one of our top 3, hopefully even 4 rotational edge rushers. He's like the utility guy who put up a .325 season with a .450 BABIP. It's just not sustainable. He doesn't beat his guy often at ALL. He gets his sacks peeling off when the QB starts scrambling......I'd honestly go back to Reggie Gilbert than him. And our 3rd edge rusher is going to get a lot of run with ZaDarius Smith moving over the guard. Plus we need to keep them fresh.

 

Amazing how much better an average secondary can look with a great defensive front! The Jets proved that when they had Leonard Williams, Mo Wilkerson and Sheldon Richardson starting together.

Edited April 25, 2019 by HiAndTight

[HiAndTight]

 

Yes. Livid. I'm in the minority and I know it. I just feel that up the middle, I can deal with 3 Howard Greens and call it a day. At #12 or higher, I'd rather find a dynamic ILB, DE, OL, or TE, as the OP stated are needs. Again, I'm in the minority and that's okay. If they are going to move up to the point at which Oliver would be available...top 3 to 5 as has been mocked, I'd rather it not be for an interior DL who gets me 26 tackles and 1.5 sacks per season. Howard Green can do that.

 

 

 

This is ALMOST like saying you wouldn't mind having an an INF of Yuni Betencourt's because...hey, we had one before and the team overall was good and despite the fact that he was a bad player most of his career, he made that good play in the SB!!!!

 

NO! You cannot just pass on the foundation of your defense.

 

 

And I might be selling Yuni B short in this comp. I mean...at least Yuni had a couple of good years early in his career. That's more than we can say for Green. Glad he hit got his hand in the air when Big Ben was backed up to force that Collins pick,but that's about all he did of substance.

 

 

But...I guess you've said you know you're in the minority, so....I'd just suggest you look at the best defenses in the NFL. They almost ALWAYS had a deep front. in fact, we've seen teams win SB's BECAUSE of their deep DL. WE'd just be passing on the position group as a whole here. The Pats dynasty was built on a defensive mind set that centered around Vince Wolfork and guys like Richard Seymour(they still like those types of bodies, the long limbed, athletic DL). The Giants beat that historic Pats team with a dominant pass rush with,Osi, Tuck, Strahan. The Bears last year had Mack and Akeem Hicks as their DE's when they made a big jump. The Seahawks were able to rotate defensive linemen to just keep pressuring the passer. The Texans defense that is year in and year out elite has JJ Watt at defensive END in their scheme(along with DJ Reader playing the other DE spot).

 

I could go on, but...man, you just don't see many teams throw out 3 guys who are on the street half way through the season and be successful with them. The Rams were in the Super Bowl this year because they had Donald playing DE...and they probably should have had Such playing DE as well, but he sacrificed a little in the way of stats to play the nose and eat some blocks for the other guys.

 

 

By the way, just one more thing to point out...and I just totally missed it because of your "3 Howard Green" statements. But you realize that almost all the players we're talking about here are Defensive ENDS, right? Oliver is a DE in the NFL, Gary is a OLB'er/DE hybrid?

 

Very possible that given how talented they are, both Williams AND Wilkens end up playing at DE for the Packers as well(if there was a shot that Williams fell to us). I think you're confusing defensive ends with NT's. And there I disagree with you. The Packers defense was extremely reliane on Ryan Pickett for years at the nose....but I would understand more your opinion to just throw out a big body who can eat up blocks there....though I'd still disagree as I think having a guy like Clark who can collapse the pocket is an extrodinarly luxury and makes life easier for everyone else. But...what you're basically saying is that if the Packers took Nick Bosa, because he's a DE(and one that's not as athletic as Oliver or Gary) you'd be livid?

 

You have NT and then 2 ENDS. A guy who lines up on the guards outside shoulder and one who lines up on the tackles. Those are your defensive ends and the exact guys we're talking about. Kenny Clark is well established as our NT and he's probably 1st up when they start dolling out extensions and he's likely to get a big one. Just gonna guess, but I'd say 4 years 55 million with 30+ guaranteed. And he's worth every penny. He's the player you build your 3-4 around(which is why we drafted Raji desite the fact that TT had Crabtree rated as the best player in that particular draft, you NEED that 0 technique to clog things up.

 

Although Pettine is a bit different. He likes his linemen to get penetration more...and that's nobody in his draft better at that as a 5 than Ed Oliver IMO.

 

 

So long story short, you say DE is a position of need and that's what you want drafted, but then say you'd be livid if we drafted some freakishly talented ones. I don't really understand that.

[HiAndTight]

A little write up on a couple Michigan guys-Two top tier picks and then a sleeper I think would be a great fit in round 4

Rashan Gary, DL (6-4, 277)

physically, Gary – as expected – tested off the charts during his NFL combine weekend. A prospect with elite physical measurements since midway through his high school career, the former No. 1-ranked recruit in the country ran a 4.58-second 40-yard dash, jumped 38 inches vertically and had great times in both the 3-cone and 20-yard shuttle runs. However, football isn’t played on a track or in a T-shirt and shorts.

 

Production, and possibly health concerns, have caused several to suggest Gary’s draft stock could be sliding as the draft approaches. On Tuesday, the NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported that Gary has a labrum injury that has been flagged by teams and may require surgery after the 2019 season. Once viewed as a near consensus top 10 pick, Gary’s a player Kiper has pegged at somewhere between 13 and 19 overall. Though he’s heard his range bottoms out as low as No. 28

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HUGE upside, big bust potential.

 

Devin Bush Jr., LB (5-11, 234)

It’s hard to find someone who helped himself more than Bush at the NFL combine in Indianapolis earlier this year. The process started when Bush measured 5 feet 11, the exact height Michigan listed him at during his three years on campus. Not exactly ideal, but much better than the alternative and something scouts appear to be more than willing to overlook.

His profile starts with his speed. Bush ran a blistering 4.43 40-yard dash time at the combine, placing himself with LSU’s Devin White as the top inside linebackers in this year’s draft. Bush’s stock has risen from a fringe/low first-rounder to a possible top-10 pick. He was a two-time All-American at Michigan with loads of great clips on tape. He was the best player on one of the country’s top-rated defenses the past two years.

 

 

AJ Hawk like in that he's got a REALLY high floor. Of course people believed Hawk had a huge ceiling at the time as he ran an elite 40 himself and had better size. Still, he's a great fit in today's NFL. I just don't like off ball LB'ers, especially undersized ones this early in the draft. If he was 6'3 and had Kuechly's play rec, sure, but he doesn't.

 

Chase Winovich, LB/DE (6-3, 256)

Unlike Gary, nearly everything about Winovich’s draft stock is tied to the enormous amount of production he put together during his final two years at Michigan. It also didn’t hurt that Winovich turned a few heads when he ran a 4.59 40 at the combine, and showed plenty of agility in the 3-cone and 20-yard shuttle drills. But being Michigan’s most productive pass rusher in 2017 and 2018 has Winovich approaching a firm second-round grade from many evaluators.

 

There was some conversation early in the draft process about whether or not he could slide into the first round. Nothing’s impossible, though he’s still a bit of a tweener position-wise. Any odd-front team is going to want Winovich to be a standup rush linebacker, something he hasn’t done since early in his career at Michigan. Whether or not he’s strong enough to hold up against the run with his hand on the ground in the NFL could also be a concern.

Winovich’s film doesn’t lie, though. He got to the quarterback faster than anyone on the team and a large number of his sacks and pressures were purely a result of effort.

I've seen him as a 3rd/4th round pick. High effort guy with good measureables who produced playing Michigan's schedule. Doesn't offer the upside of others, but might be a good low risk guy who out performs his draft stock.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Bob McGinn has a pretty good track record with his mocks, and he has DT Jeffery Simmons going to the Packers at #12, and S Juan Thornhill at #30. While I think both are probably reaches at those spots, I like both players. The Packers are supposedly enamored with Simmons.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Yes. Livid. I'm in the minority and I know it. I just feel that up the middle, I can deal with 3 Howard Greens and call it a day. At #12 or higher, I'd rather find a dynamic ILB, DE, OL, or TE, as the OP stated are needs. Again, I'm in the minority and that's okay. If they are going to move up to the point at which Oliver would be available...top 3 to 5 as has been mocked, I'd rather it not be for an interior DL who gets me 26 tackles and 1.5 sacks per season. Howard Green can do that.

 

This is the exact opposite of the idea that the game is won in the trenches. Not only are you in the minority for fan takes, I think that would be in the minority for GM takes as well. I assume by DE you mean a pass rushing Edge player, because guys like Oliver, Wilkins and Jeffrey Simmons would play DE in the Packers 3-4 alignment.

[brewcrewdue80]

Hiandtight.

I didnt know about that Burns interview. Where did you get that? I picked him as thinking he's the BPA at that point but said someone will fall in to our lap. Hockenson is a top 10 pick imo. So He's gone.

 

Another BPA picking an OT at 30 with Little. He may not be BPA, just the Packers want in OT with 1st Rd contract status. Predicting here keep in mind.

 

Harry being a Cobb replacement is just that. Cobb is gone and he plays. May not be slot but I like what I read size, strength, route running, and YAC ability. Bring back the Slant and let him get Yards. I did watch some video and he was definitely a Go get the ball WR taking the contact to make a catch versus letting a poorly thrown ball be just that.

 

I did think about Safety around 30&37. I just cant go another draft helping the Defense even more and not helping the Offense. I even consider Fant a possibility at 17 as I think hes a lock for Seattle's pick. But then i think that's a reach and they will that draft capitol to trade up and get Smith or Sternberger later for TE.

I'd be thrilled with Bush but I feel like Hockenson he's gone. 12hours to find out!

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I also hate Irv Smith at any spot for the Packers. I can't help but see Richard Rodgers in him. Sure, he has the chance to be a solid TE, but he's far from elite. I'd rather see Jace Sternberger in the 2nd or 3rd. Much more upside there in my opinion.

[PeaveyFury]

 

Washington is the type of team I'd love to trade with. Try and steal a 1st from them next year. Hell, maybe you even try and get their 2021 1st when Trevor Lawrence is going to be on of the most coveted draft prospects of all time.

 

I think the way the QB board is set out this year makes this a great opportunity for the Packers. With the Fins right behind them, you'd have to think Washington or the Giants would be really interested in jumping them to get 'their guy' at QB before the Fins have the chance. Trading with Washington to either grab their 3rd which is right behind the Packers' 3rd or a high 2020 pick sounds like a good plan to me.

 

So, Packers get 15 and 76, Washington gets 12 and 118. 1260 vs. 1258 on the value chart, and a nice set of picks for the Pack.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Washington is the type of team I'd love to trade with. Try and steal a 1st from them next year. Hell, maybe you even try and get their 2021 1st when Trevor Lawrence is going to be on of the most coveted draft prospects of all time.

 

I think the way the QB board is set out this year makes this a great opportunity for the Packers. With the Fins right behind them, you'd have to think Washington or the Giants would be really interested in jumping them to get 'their guy' at QB before the Fins have the chance. Trading with Washington to either grab their 3rd which is right behind the Packers' 3rd or a high 2020 pick sounds like a good plan to me.

 

I think that could very well happen. Also ... watch for the Raiders to make a move if they don't draft a QB at #6. You might even be able to get #24 and #27 for #12. Value is probably out of whack, but it wouldn't be the first time that a team made a desperation move for a QB they liked.

[PeaveyFury]

 

I think that could very well happen. Also ... watch for the Raiders to make a move if they don't draft a QB at #6. You might even be able to get #24 and #27 for #12. Value is probably out of whack, but it wouldn't be the first time that a team made a desperation move for a QB they liked.

 

Yes, please. We'd probably have to throw a 3rd back their way, but holy crap that'd be an exciting first day.

EDIT: Actually, 12 and 75 is almost perfect for 24 and 27- 1415 vs. 1420.

[HiAndTight]

Bob McGinn has a pretty good track record with his mocks, and he has DT Jeffery Simmons going to the Packers at #12, and S Juan Thornhill at #30. While I think both are probably reaches at those spots, I like both players. The Packers are supposedly enamored with Simmons.

 

 

I'm not sure I agree with the first part.

 

As for the actual picks, I guess we see how the board plays out, but Simmons shouldn't be a top 12 pick. I mean, if there are zero QB's taken and only the top DL and Edge rushers plus Hockenson and, then fine, but it's a near certainly that an elite talent will fall to us at 12. I'm still hoping it's Oliver, but whoever it is, I hope they can get pressure on the QB.

 

That's not to say I don't love Simmons. I think taking him in the end of the 1st would be great. Lowered guaranteed money, but you get that 5th year that makes up for the fact he'll miss most of his rookie year with that ACL. He's a stud. I'd even be happy with Oliver at 12 and then coming back and doubling up with Simmons at 30. Oliver is so athletic, that while he can't be expected to play OLB'er, the Packers could use versatile fronts and if you have...for argument's sake, Clark, Simmons, Za'Darius Smith and Oliver rushing the passer, that could be a really formidable front.

 

Shut down the run, collapse the pocket and force the QB to our OLB'ers.

 

 

As for McGinn, I love reading his stuff where he takes experts and then creates rankings based on their comments. It's clear he's got good connections. But his own opinions have been laughable for a while now...going back even past the whole, "The Packer are a 10 win team without Aaron Rodgers," and then after they weren't that, after the article he wrote talking about all the talent that TT had surrounded Arod with looked foolish, he then pretty much ignored it and went back and listed all the bad moves that got them to this point without ever really acknowledging that he was the one who said the exact opposite.

 

 

None of that is the point. The point is that I really hope we don't take an injured player at 12. Even though it's about a 95 pct chance that he'll come back, you never know how one injury will impact another and at 12, you can't be taking a Justin Harrell like risk. Simmons is more proven than Harrell, but in both cases, you're taking an extremely talented DL with a great first step, but who is injured early in the draft.