2019 Green Bay Packers draft preview and predictions

[OldHeidelberg]

Supposedly has torn labrum that will require surgery. Still like the talent.

[OnTheBlack]

Going for triangle numbers. Not sure how I feel about that.

 

That being said, Michigan ran a defense where the DL focused more on controlling the line and freeing up the LBs to make plays.

 

 

Yeah, but the opposite OLB'er put up big numbers.

 

 

He's DEFINITELY a guy who could dominate like Mack has. But he's also a guy who could dominate 5 years from now, get paid and then not dominate anymore.

 

I do not like this pick. I guess teams just weren't calling about Dwayne Haskins for whatever reasons. I mean...he's everything-everyone has talked about wanting in a QB. Big, physical, cannon for an arm, great anticipation, stand tall in the pockets, goes through his reads. Yet he's falling down the board for some reason.

 

 

I'm having Jamal Reynolds flashbacks here(though Gary is just in a whole other world athletically).

[LouisEly]

Running a 4.58 at 6'5" and nearly 280 is crazy.

Think about this - that's faster than Hockenson ran the 40 at almost 30 lbs heavier.

[nodakfan17]

I don’t like it. Damaged goods. No real position (like Datone Jones). I won’t pretend to know more than Gutekunst and Co., but this one has me puzzled.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'm guessing Gary will drop weight into the 265 lb range. His body type and athleticism fits the type Gute and Pettine are looking for, that's for sure. They want edge rushers who pack a punch.

[OnTheBlack]

Well, Gary is one of those guys who looks like they should be awesome, but he doesn't always play that way.

 

He only had 3.5 sacks last year - but is that because of the scheme or was it Gary not playing that well? Personally, I just haven't seen enough of him to really know. But I'm guessing the feels he can become and impact guy.

 

Let's hope.

 

I don't see how you can blame scheme. Not when the guy on the other side put up big numbers.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I don’t like it. Damaged goods. No real position (like Datone Jones). I won’t pretend to know more than Gutekunst and Co., but this one has me puzzled.

 

Gary is in a whole different stratosphere athletically compared to Jones.

[nodakfan17]

Supposedly has torn labrum that will require surgery. Still like the talent.

Kevin King was coming off an injury too ...

[homer]

Boo

 

Should have traded down.

[JosephC]

I heard Godell announce him as a linebacker. I don't know about that. 277 at the combine but was listed at 283 on Michigan's website and I'm pretty sure that I've read that he generally played at around 290. I'd like to think he's more of a really unique 5-technique DE that could even swing to 3-technique on passing downs. It will be interesting to see how the Packers use him.

[reillymcshane]

What did the Steelers give to trade up?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

But ... another large school DE that the Packers will convert to OLB. Where have I heard this before?

[nodakfan17]

I don’t like it. Damaged goods. No real position (like Datone Jones). I won’t pretend to know more than Gutekunst and Co., but this one has me puzzled.

 

Gary is in a whole different stratosphere athletically compared to Jones.

True, but I just don’t get drafting guys without an obvious pro position this high in the draft. There’s too much at stake.

[brewcrewdue80]

Collinsworth not liking the pick, I think this is a huge bust with not as high upside. Should have gone O-Line, watch that's the trade up for now.

[nodakfan17]

Boo

 

Should have traded down.

That was my feeling too, but you never know what kind of options were there.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I don’t like it. Damaged goods. No real position (like Datone Jones). I won’t pretend to know more than Gutekunst and Co., but this one has me puzzled.

 

Gary is in a whole different stratosphere athletically compared to Jones.

True, but I just don’t get drafting guys without an obvious pro position this high in the draft. There’s too much at stake.

 

He has the same body as ZaDarius Smith. Packers obviously thought they had a position for him.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Well, Gary is one of those guys who looks like they should be awesome, but he doesn't always play that way.

 

He only had 3.5 sacks last year - but is that because of the scheme or was it Gary not playing that well? Personally, I just haven't seen enough of him to really know. But I'm guessing the feels he can become and impact guy.

 

Let's hope.

 

Given the general nature of how college football is evolving, perhaps after the opener last year against ND that they lose and effectively removed them from CFP consideration, Gary decided it best to play out the season knowing full well that getting through it healthy basically guaranteed him a top 15 draft pick contract.

[reillymcshane]

Trading down is easier said than done. Everyone wants to do it - but finding a partner is a different story.

[CheezWizHed]

If he is at OLB, he might be a sneaky version of Sweat. Almost as fast, almost as tall, heavier, more about combine numbers than production (similar to Sweat), and injured (but less significant).

[reillymcshane]

Falcons really went high on Lindstrom. Oh well, if you like someone, what the heck.

[reillymcshane]

If he is at OLB, he might be a sneaky version of Sweat. Almost as fast, almost as tall, heavier, more about combine numbers than production (similar to Sweat), and injured (but less significant).

Sweat's heart issue is really driving him down. He was a top 10 guy almost for sure without the heart thing.

[OnTheBlack]

 

Yes. Livid. I'm in the minority and I know it. I just feel that up the middle, I can deal with 3 Howard Greens and call it a day. At #12 or higher, I'd rather find a dynamic ILB, DE, OL, or TE, as the OP stated are needs. Again, I'm in the minority and that's okay. If they are going to move up to the point at which Oliver would be available...top 3 to 5 as has been mocked, I'd rather it not be for an interior DL who gets me 26 tackles and 1.5 sacks per season. Howard Green can do that.

 

 

You realize that Gary is 5'4, 280 and ran a 4.58 40, right? And that he's listed as an edge. And Oliver is a Donald-esque talent who ran a 4.7 40. I do realize the peripherals on Gary. I've seen him listed at interior DL. I'm not that enamored with Aaron Donald either. Again, I'm in the minority. They are placeholders to me in the same way as a gunner on special teams. Somebody talented can do it, but I'm not going out of my way to ignore positions of need to take the best interior defensive lineman. I do respect your opinion.

 

And nowhere in this discussion has anyone suggested that we move up to 3-5 to pick up Oliver. I also haven't seen him mocked that high since last off-season. And Gary certainly hasn't. I think you're confusing Oliver for Williams. He's universally regarded as a top 2-5 pick. Not this discussion, no. The reason I suggested moving up is I DID see Oliver mocked at 3, 6, 9 and other places. I don't want to pick a DL in the first round, let alone move up for one. I realize there are hundreds of mocks that might better indicate Oliver will go 12 to 15 or 20 or 30, I just don't have the time to read them all. http://walterfootball.com/draft2019.php (#3 to the Jets)

 

But the most ridiculous part of this is that you just assume that these linemen will "get you 26 tackles and 1.5 sacks." Kenny Clark got you 6 sacks and 55 tackles last year playing the nose(though I can't think of a worse way to judge a player than by tackles. Even sacks are overrated as pressures and QB hits are far more telling). If you get a guy like Oliver or Gary, you're looking at a double digit sack guy who gets you 50-60 QB pressures a year and can play the run. The only question with Gary is how consistent he can be, otherwise he'd be right up there with Allen and Bosa(the later of which would play the same position as Gary or Oliver most likely in GB). It's not so much that I'm assuming per the individual per say, it's just an average for the position and the type of scheme I would prefer for the defense for my favorite team. Suh from Nebraska for example. Dominant player at the position for a number of years, but I'd rather have "just a guy" there. If you think Gary is an edge rusher or can move to OLB, then fine, but everything I see listed is at DT

 

 

There's a reason Howard Green was on the street when the Packers signed him. As I said, the single most effective way to disrupt an offense is to get a pass rush up the middle. It's just REALLY rare you find players who can do that. If a guy like Oliver falls to us at 12, I doubt we pass on him. But if you go with a fat, slow, immobile 5 or 9 technique, we'd be in trouble. We also had guys like Clay Matthews, BJ Raji at his best(not a 26 tackle, 1.5 sack season from him), Collins and Woodson. You can cover up a guy like Howard. You can't win with 3 of them along your line. Street DT. I love the concept. I think you understand my thinking and desire with your paragraph. I want to be talented and play a scheme with DB, S, LB, that I can over "deficiencies at DT" with Kenny Clark and a Howard Green lookalike.

 

I get it's cliche, but it's cliche for a reason. Games are won and lost on on the OL and DL. Throw out Kenny Clark, a hopefully rejuvenated Mike Daniels and a guy like Ed Oliver and that's gonna make a far biggest impact on your defense than an off-ball LB'er.

I didn't ask for an off the ball LB in the first round. The kid from Georgia last year that I believe the Bears took is what I would be looking for. Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels, street FA + Devin White or Joash Allen is going to be a better result than Clark, Daniels, Oren Burks, and Jeffrey Simmons/Ed Oliver. Again, I respect your opinion and realize I'm in the minority with my thoughts.

 

 

 

Seriously? What in the world are you expecting in the NFL draft? Do you like JJ Watt? I mean...my god, what is it that does impress you if not one of the all time great interior DL who can get you 15-20 sacks a year!!!!!!!

 

 

As for Gary, I've never seen him listed as a DT. He's an edge. He's always been an edge. He's strong enough that he can move inside and rush the QB, but is not a DT.

 

 

And about the kid from Georgia, you realize he's the very definition of an "off ball LB'er," right? He isn't an OLB'er who plays on the line, he plays off the ball. He is a MLB'er. Smith was a guy I liked a helluva lot more than Bush and for that matter White. But he's exactly what an off-ball LB'er is. He doesn't play on the LOS, therefore, he's an off-ball LB'er.

[FVBrewerFan]

Seems like a combine pick. All the measurables, but didn't show up on film. That said, so hard to predict these ends/OLBs. Trading up or down seemed luke the way to go, vut it takes two.

[nodakfan17]

He has the same body as ZaDarius Smith. Packers obviously thought they had a position for him.

Thank you for trying to cheer me up.

[xisxisxis]

Falcons Packers really went high on Lindstrom Gary. Oh well, if you like someone, what the heck.

Fixed that for you...