Next First Round Pick To Have an Impact?

[Jopal78]

Seems hard to believe that the last Brewer first round pick to actually make an impact for Milwaukee was Ryan Braun in 2005 (I guess you could argue Jeffress from 2006 but he only put it together after nearly washing out of the big leagues in 2014).

 

There's a pretty healthy run of former first round picks who never made it to the major leagues: Evan Frederickson, Kyle Heckathorn, Kentrail Davis, Eric Arnett, and Victor Roache.

 

Only three first rounders since 2006 have seen significant action and it has been for different organizations: Jake Odorizzi, Brett Lawrie and Mitch Haniger.

 

At this point it doesn't look promising for Clint Coulter, Jake Gatewood and Trent Clark/Trent Grisham making an impact in Milwaukee. Nathan Kirby simply hasn't pitched enough due to arm injuries to realistically project as a major league pitcher either.

 

So who makes an impact first Hiura? Ray? someone further down the system?

[homer]

Hiura

[Brew crew 92]

1)Hiura- hit tool gonna play

2)Turang- a few yrs away, but there’s a reason a myriad of scouts had him pegged 1/1 after his junior yr of high school.

[3and2Fastball]

I'm very optimistic about Hiura, Ray & Turang.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Hiura is going to be a stud from day 1. Which is only about 2 months away as long as he stays healthy. It's going to be like acquiring one of the top bats on the market for free.

[MadScientist]

Hiura is going to be a stud from day 1. Which is only about 2 months away as long as he stays healthy. It's going to be like acquiring one of the top bats on the market for free.

Barring injury, he likely won't be up until September, but will counted on to start next year at second. But I do agree that he is going to be the next one to have an impact, and it will be a big one.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Brett Lawrie would be fun.

 

This is only half blue. I think that if he starts playing in minor league games by May sometime, he could theoretically come up in August and provide another bat. I don't think they signed him to a 2-year deal, and are paying him what they are, without a plan for him to make a major league impact at some point.

[bork]

You could argue that LaPorta, Lawrie, Odorizzi and Jefress had big impacts with Milwaukee in acquiring Sabathia, Greinke, and Marcum.

[Point Beer Is Best]

Whoever we get in return in a Corey Ray trade.

 

I'd like to keep him, but he's probably our best trade chip at this point who isn't untouchable.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Please no one take this the wrong way, BUT...

 

I'm blown away that this is even a question and even more surprised that the answer isn't a unanimous Keston Hiura.

 

I'd love and welcome hearing people's thoughts as to why they don't think he'll be the next 1st rounder to make an impact. Is it more because of the thought he'll be held back another year? Aren't sold on his talent? Combo of both? I'm genuinely curious of people's thoughts on this. And I respect why others might not share my expectations of immediate impact.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Please no one take this the wrong way, BUT...

 

I'm blown away that this is even a question and even more surprised that the answer isn't a unanimous Keston Hiura.

 

I'd love and welcome hearing people's thoughts as to why they don't think he'll be the next 1st rounder to make an impact. Is it more because of the thought he'll be held back another year? Aren't sold on his talent? Combo of both? I'm genuinely curious of people's thoughts on this. And I respect why others might not share my expectations of immediate impact.

 

That may happen. I think they signed Moose as a way to delay the calls for Hiura, but if he starts hot in San Antonio, and the 1B combo of Aguilar/Thames scuffles, we could theoretically see Shaw shifted to 1B and Moose shifted back to 3B, which would open a spot for Hiura. Moose doesn't exactly have an injury-free history as well, so that would be something to watch should be get nicked up. It will be interesting to see how they proceed with Lowrie once he's playing in games. Looking at how the pieces are going to fit together that far into the future is tough.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Please no one take this the wrong way, BUT...

 

I'm blown away that this is even a question and even more surprised that the answer isn't a unanimous Keston Hiura.

 

I'd love and welcome hearing people's thoughts as to why they don't think he'll be the next 1st rounder to make an impact. Is it more because of the thought he'll be held back another year? Aren't sold on his talent? Combo of both? I'm genuinely curious of people's thoughts on this. And I respect why others might not share my expectations of immediate impact.

 

That may happen. I think they signed Moose as a way to delay the calls for Hiura, but if he starts hot in San Antonio, and the 1B combo of Aguilar/Thames scuffles, we could theoretically see Shaw shifted to 1B and Moose shifted back to 3B, which would open a spot for Hiura. Moose doesn't exactly have an injury-free history as well, so that would be something to watch should be get nicked up. It will be interesting to see how they proceed with Lowrie once he's playing in games. Looking at how the pieces are going to fit together that far into the future is tough.

 

Thank you and I appreciate the response. I think you touched on what is likely to happen. I feel like there's a good chance we see a lot of Shaw at 1B and Moose back at 3rd once Hiura's 6th year of control is secured. Hiura's call-up won't cut into their playing time as much as it would for Thames, Perez, and Aguilar in that order.

[RollieTime]

Please no one take this the wrong way, BUT...

 

I'm blown away that this is even a question and even more surprised that the answer isn't a unanimous Keston Hiura.

 

I'd love and welcome hearing people's thoughts as to why they don't think he'll be the next 1st rounder to make an impact. Is it more because of the thought he'll be held back another year? Aren't sold on his talent? Combo of both? I'm genuinely curious of people's thoughts on this. And I respect why others might not share my expectations of immediate impact.

 

That may happen. I think they signed Moose as a way to delay the calls for Hiura, but if he starts hot in San Antonio, and the 1B combo of Aguilar/Thames scuffles, we could theoretically see Shaw shifted to 1B and Moose shifted back to 3B, which would open a spot for Hiura. Moose doesn't exactly have an injury-free history as well, so that would be something to watch should be get nicked up. It will be interesting to see how they proceed with Lowrie once he's playing in games. Looking at how the pieces are going to fit together that far into the future is tough.

 

Absolutely. Moose could see a ton of time at first or third this season. If Shaw gets hurt, Aguilar and Thames don’t produce, the Brewers have the pieces to shift guys around. Shaw or Moose could take over at first, allowing the other to play third and opening up second for Hiura. There will be injuries during the season that will make us all glad we retained all the guys we did to consistently field a deep lineup. It might be a little awkward with Moose at second, but I don’t think Aguilar and Thames will have a long leash since they both have been inconsistent and fairly unproductive the last 80 games they’ve played or so.

[clancyphile]

I'd argue LaPorta did make an impact in Milwaukee - as the centerpiece of the CC Sabathia trade.

 

That 2008 playoff appearance did matter.

[brewcrewdue80]

Hiura at this point. Not going with Ray for Jinx reasons.

 

As to holding Hiura back til September, considering the new CBA is forthcoming, what if that deal comes to have 4years of control with 7 being agreed upon extensions? Or they do away with Super 2? If there's any reason to believe he would produce more than current production, he should be called up right then and there. You can just bet after recent rule changes the CBA will affect Milw in a negative way when settled upon. (Guessing 5 years team control) bringing players to FA sooner. 2years of the 500k(probably 1m new) and go arb the next 3years. Having a sorta Redshirt year to gain a 6th year if player misses more than 81 games due to injury in any particular season. (Not overall spread through 5seasons)

[MadScientist]

I think Super 2 isn't really relevant for Hiura , because the Brewers will want to give him at least that much time in AAA to see how he adjusts. He's only had half a season at AA and didn't destroy the pitcher there (755 OPS). I hope he will bang on the the big league door this season, but there is no need to rush.

[pacopete4]

The depth is great because it allowed us not to rush him. Be patient.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

It has nothing to do with patience. They're not going to buy another year and wait until June 2020 to bring him up. Once this June arrives you've locked in as much control as you'll ever have. The Brewers are a contender. They're not going to leave one of their best bats in the entire organization in San Antonio all year. Hiura can help the big club go further than last year.

[HiAndTight]

You could argue that LaPorta, Lawrie, Odorizzi and Jefress had big impacts with Milwaukee in acquiring Sabathia, Greinke, and Marcum.

 

 

Could you possibly argue otherwise? They were directly responsible for bringing in two studs that helped carry us into the playoffs and a third who was a good pitcher.

 

 

The intent seemed to be more about making an impact on the field, but as it was stated...they made enormous impacts to the organization.

[HiAndTight]

Please no one take this the wrong way, BUT...

 

I'm blown away that this is even a question and even more surprised that the answer isn't a unanimous Keston Hiura.

 

I'd love and welcome hearing people's thoughts as to why they don't think he'll be the next 1st rounder to make an impact. Is it more because of the thought he'll be held back another year? Aren't sold on his talent? Combo of both? I'm genuinely curious of people's thoughts on this. And I respect why others might not share my expectations of immediate impact.

 

 

It's not like you have Hiura and then nobody. You DO have an extremely talented athlete in Corey Ray who could just as easily get the call before Hiura due to an injury. Imagine Cain goes down for a little while. Not hard to imagine that Ray comes up and produces.

[HiAndTight]

It has nothing to do with patience. They're not going to buy another year and wait until June 2020 to bring him up. Once this June arrives you've locked in as much control as you'll ever have. The Brewers are a contender. They're not going to leave one of their best bats in the entire organization in San Antonio all year. Hiura can help the big club go further than last year.

 

 

Why not just wait and see where we're at as the season goes along. If he produces like Braun did when he was in AAA after not dominating AA, there shouldn't be any question.

 

If he struggles ([sarcasm]as he has so badly thus far[/sarcasm]) in AAA, and we have no need for him, then it's not just about team control, but about development.

 

I'm just as bullish on him as you are. I believe he'll come up and be a stud from the jump. That said, that part in blue...does seriously have me slightly concerned. 6K's thus far in 8 ABs? I mean, I know Prince started off similar in his big league career, but...still.

[TigerUppercut]

I think anyone thinking Huira is going to "be a stud from day 1" is going to be very disappointed when they have to park the love bus and accept he'll have the same growing pains most prospects do. I look at his MILB numbers and see a guy who is a solid prospect but by no means a "can't miss star." Hell, a lot of the "can't miss stars" miss. My best advice would be to temper the enthusiasm and be pleasantly surprised. Anything short of super stardom for some here will be an epic fail.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I think people who are starting to pop up saying those of us with big expectations for Hiura this year are putting too much stock into a couple days of boxscores. See how that works both ways. Thanks for the advice though.

[TigerUppercut]

I think people who are starting to pop up saying those of us with big expectations for Hiura this year are putting too much stock into a couple days of boxscores. See how that works both ways. Thanks for the advice though.

 

.272 with a really mediocre OPS and below average defense at AA. See how I just pulled into the lead?

 

Your welcome for the advice. Happy to lend a hand where its needed.

[HiAndTight]

I think people who are starting to pop up saying those of us with big expectations for Hiura this year are putting too much stock into a couple days of boxscores. See how that works both ways. Thanks for the advice though.

 

.272 with a really mediocre OPS and below average defense at AA. See how I just pulled into the lead?

 

Your welcome for the advice. Happy to lend a hand where its needed.

 

 

No, actually I don't. Namely, because you can't really pull ahead in how people "believe" a player is going to develop and just stating that a prospect is going to go through "growing pains," isn't really a hot take.

 

But beyond that, just on a fact-based discussion, do we get to pick and choose which stats and what levels we're going to use? Because if we do, then I sure wouldn't be using batting average. I'd also probably look at how he's done as a whole and instead of dinging him because of a .272 batting average at AA, I might look at the fact that he was the AZFL MVP where he hit .323 with a not so mediocre .934 OPS.

 

I'd also mention that nobody believes he's Bobby Grich at 2nd base. Or that he was the most advanced draft when he was drafted a couple of years ago at 20 years old.

 

Again, I would mention this if any of it really mattered since it's not a fact-based argument, but an opinion that some people share regarding how the top ranked 2nd base prospect in the majors is going to do early on in his career.

 

So thanks for "lending a hand" there bud.