Giants Relievers...

[Brew crew 92]

You are also assuming that Kimbrel would accept a high dollar pillow contract. I think if he'd be willing to do that, he'd already be with a team.

 

Also, regarding Jeffress, they aren't going to let him set foot on a ML mound if he's only throwing 84.

 

Not sure about, Red Sox cubs > zero $ to spend. > no offers.

 

Heard on mlb radio yest braves haven’t even made kimbrel a formal offer.

 

No ones offering him, maybe not even 1 for 20

1 for 18.5 with 2 mil buyout on mutual then

 

Your right with jj, but what if he at 92-93 when he comes back?

[Brew crew 92]

1 dollar more than QO and he signs.

[Brew crew 92]

I think the Brewers should save Corey Ray as a trade chip for a better deadline target. I also believe Ray could increase his trade stock with a solid start to season in the minors.

 

Speaking of Giant relievers, Brewers might be able to land a player like Mark Melancon for basically nothing and even have Giants kick in money to cover some of his contract.

 

I know he’s not the same pitcher he was, but he could bridge gap until either Jeffress or Knebel are healthy.

 

Have giants pay most of salary, we give em prospect. Watson Smith Id prefer smith but beggers can’t be..... this type of trade would help immediately which is what we need.

[adambr2]

1 dollar more than QO and he signs.

 

You're making wild assumptions on things you just don't know. Bullpen help is something literally any team could use. You think it's a no-brainer to sign him, yet you think among all 30 teams not one is willing to pay him 1/19?

[Brew crew 92]

Yes that’s what I think. All the big market teams up against tax and they not gonna spend.

[adambr2]

Yes that’s what I think. All the big market teams up against tax and they not gonna spend.

 

All the? There are 4 teams that would go over the luxury tax by signing Kimbrel to 1/19. What's the excuse for the other 26?

[Brew crew 92]

$$$ and need. I went through teams in kimbrel thread

[Brew crew 92]

Melancon & 25 mil > Grisham & lottery

 

Montoya & Smith > Ray & Stokes/Grisham & 2 lottery tickets

 

Smith & Watson > Ray & Stokes/Grisham

 

Watson > Stokes/Grisham

 

Smith > Ray

[IntentionalHBP]

Honest!! Am I the only one honest enough to say our closing options are the worst in mlb.

Delusional enough*

[3and2Fastball]

There is no way I trade Corey Ray for a relief pitcher. The likelihood of Braun declining and/or becoming even less durable in the next few years (and even as soon as this year) is very high.

 

Ray might be better than Braun right now. He certainly might be by 2020.

 

Just sign Kimbrel. One less yacht for Mark ain't gonna kill him. We have a window open right now, but are teetering way too close to 2012 Brewers-land

[Brew crew 92]

There is no way I trade Corey Ray for a relief pitcher. The likelihood of Braun declining and/or becoming even less durable in the next few years (and even as soon as this year) is very high.

 

Ray might be better than Braun right now. He certainly might be by 2020.

 

Just sign Kimbrel. One less yacht for Mark ain't gonna kill him. We have a window open right now, but are teetering way too close to 2012 Brewers-land

 

Ok even if they sign kimbrel he not pitching for a while, need help the next month, I don’t like Ray as a fit with brewers, Ks a problem.

[Brew crew 92]

Honest!! Am I the only one honest enough to say our closing options are the worst in mlb.

Delusional enough*

 

Your certainly entitled to your opinion.

[Brew crew 92]

There is no way I trade Corey Ray for a relief pitcher. The likelihood of Braun declining and/or becoming even less durable in the next few years (and even as soon as this year) is very high.

 

Ray might be better than Braun right now. He certainly might be by 2020.

 

Just sign Kimbrel. One less yacht for Mark ain't gonna kill him. We have a window open right now, but are teetering way too close to 2012 Brewers-land

 

Stearns can sign or trade for an outfielder if he needs one to replace Braun. Stearns values superior defense, hit tool, low Ks. Ray is none of those. If we can get Smith Montoya for Ray++ you gotta do it. I actually think giants don’t do the deal. Maybe they not all that high on Ray either.

[Warning Track Power]

Count me as someone who wants Will Smith back in Milwaukee. However, with the Giants designating him as their "closer", I am guessing they will be holding him until the deadline the hope of maximizing his value. While I would think Stokes and Grisham for Smith is fair now, by the deadline I am guessing the Brewers would have to offer Ray and others as I expect Smith to be that good this season.

[Brew crew 92]

Count me as someone who wants Will Smith back in Milwaukee. However, with the Giants designating him as their "closer", I am guessing they will be holding him until the deadline the hope of maximizing his value. While I would think Stokes and Grisham for Smith is fair now, by the deadline I am guessing the Brewers would have to offer Ray and others as I expect Smith to be that good this season.

 

Agree here^^

Watson maybe had now, overpay slightly, lose the battle but win the war.

 

Watson & Montoya = Ray & Stokes & lottery?

[HiAndTight]

Honest!! Am I the only one honest enough to say our closing options are the worst in mlb.

 

You know something we don't about Jeffress? Because all indicates are that he'll be back in two-three weeks.

 

 

How much do you need to know? First of all, even if he is back, we've still got a hole unless Albers can pitch like he did two years ago. Second, does anyone in their right mind truly expect he'll be as good+as lucky as he was last year?

 

This isn't quite Knebel, but I'm not just trusting that a guy with a shoulder issue who was just throwing 84 is going to be back in 2-3 weeks.

 

But again, even if he is...you have to believe he's going to perform like he did last year, that shoulder won't become an issue again, and then you're still dealing with the giant hole Knebel is leaving.

[HiAndTight]

Melancon & 25 mil > Grisham & lottery

 

Montoya & Smith > Ray & Stokes/Grisham & 2 lottery tickets

 

Smith & Watson > Ray & Stokes/Grisham

 

Watson > Stokes/Grisham

 

Smith > Ray

 

 

No, this is crazy. You only trade Ray if you're getting back the young guy. Trading Ray for a reliever with one year of team control is...insane to me. And if that's all it took, Ray would be gone already.

 

We've played 2 games after tonight. It's not the deadline, we're not THIS desperate. Youdon't give up Ray, Stokes and two young prospects for a young relatively unproven reliever and a one year rental.

 

 

If Stearns was this reactionary, we'd likely have Kimbrel on board.

[HiAndTight]

Count me as someone who wants Will Smith back in Milwaukee. However, with the Giants designating him as their "closer", I am guessing they will be holding him until the deadline the hope of maximizing his value. While I would think Stokes and Grisham for Smith is fair now, by the deadline I am guessing the Brewers would have to offer Ray and others as I expect Smith to be that good this season.

 

 

There will be multiple teams trading relievers and plenty of time to make trades. I think Smith will be very good this year, but I wouldn't trade Ray for a rental unless he struggles a bit.

 

I personally don't even view Smith as the most valuable asset in the initial trade. I view the 26 year old future closer as being more valuable than the older lefty with one year left.

[Brew crew 92]

We disagree on Ray. It’s gonna take more than you think on Smith. Ray bad hit tool, way too many ks. Stokes the same. Giants prob say no anyhow.

[Lathund]

Count me as someone who wants Will Smith back in Milwaukee. However, with the Giants designating him as their "closer", I am guessing they will be holding him until the deadline the hope of maximizing his value. While I would think Stokes and Grisham for Smith is fair now, by the deadline I am guessing the Brewers would have to offer Ray and others as I expect Smith to be that good this season.

 

 

There will be multiple teams trading relievers and plenty of time to make trades. I think Smith will be very good this year, but I wouldn't trade Ray for a rental unless he struggles a bit.

 

I personally don't even view Smith as the most valuable asset in the initial trade. I view the 26 year old future closer as being more valuable than the older lefty with one year left.

 

I don't really see why the Giants would want to trade a guy with 5 years of team control remaining. And if they did, it'd take a lot.

 

Although with his relief appearance today against the Brewers, Alex Reyes lost his prospect status, which made Corey Ray a top 100 prospect again (at least with MLB Pipeline). [sarcasm]Should be able to fetch about twice as much in a trade now thanks to that[/sarcasm]

[HiAndTight]

Count me as someone who wants Will Smith back in Milwaukee. However, with the Giants designating him as their "closer", I am guessing they will be holding him until the deadline the hope of maximizing his value. While I would think Stokes and Grisham for Smith is fair now, by the deadline I am guessing the Brewers would have to offer Ray and others as I expect Smith to be that good this season.

 

 

There will be multiple teams trading relievers and plenty of time to make trades. I think Smith will be very good this year, but I wouldn't trade Ray for a rental unless he struggles a bit.

 

I personally don't even view Smith as the most valuable asset in the initial trade. I view the 26 year old future closer as being more valuable than the older lefty with one year left.

 

I don't really see why the Giants would want to trade a guy with 5 years of team control remaining. And if they did, it'd take a lot.

 

Although with his relief appearance today against the Brewers, Alex Reyes lost his prospect status, which made Corey Ray a top 100 prospect again (at least with MLB Pipeline). [sarcasm]Should be able to fetch about twice as much in a trade now thanks to that[/sarcasm]

 

 

Because he's a reliever and that's usually the last part of the team you build. You start with your core, starting pitching, position players, then when you think you're ready to contend, you start dealing for or adding relievers. If you're going to be rebuilding for the next 3-4 years, why not try to acquire an everyday CF'er who has 6 years of control?

 

It's not like we're talking about a young MadBum, we're talking about a reliever who's already 26. He just doesn't have as much value to a team like the Giants as an elite athlete and top 10 pick like Ray who was a former top 50 prospect and who is coming off a big year in AA.

 

I just think Corey Ray can bring you back more than a Will Smith type pitcher. He's likely going to be exceptional this year and would be a fantastic addition, but out of the guys you're willing to trade, Ray probably has the most value right now.

 

 

 

We'll just have to see what happens. Again, Stearns isn't clueless. They're not just praying that some of these relievers are going to turn into something they're not, or they wouldn't have even been in discussions for Craig Kimbrel, a guy in any other circumstance the Brewers should never even consider signing for a year or two for more than the QO.

[Brew crew 92]

How bout this trade:

 

Tony Watson > Cory Ray

 

Watson signed thru next yr at 3 mil per.

 

I’d do this(not sure farhan does) then sign kimbrel. Watson gives us the high leverage pen arm we desperately need til kimbrel pitches in a month. Send Barnes down now replaced by brown. Watson replaces Williams. New pen:

 

Hader

Watson

Albers

Claudio

Wilson

 

Guerra

Anderson

Brown

 

Now we have 3 high lev pen arms with experience

And 3 multi-inning arms with good stuff that can get the ball to Hader Watson Albers or finish it off themselves.

[JosephC]

Watson's 2020 season is a player option. If you trade for him, you get him for the rest of 2019 because it's a virtual lock that he opts out of 2020 unless he is injured.

 

Watson does appear to be an ideal trade target for the Brewers.

[Brew crew 92]

Watson's 2020 season is a player option. If you trade for him, you get him for the rest of 2019 because it's a virtual lock that he opts out of 2020 unless he is injured.

 

Watson does appear to be an ideal trade target for the Brewers.

 

Good info sir, makes him more affordable, prospect wise.

[Brew crew 92]

What team has WORSE options?

 

The Cubs' situation is pretty rotten right now. That's one.

 

Just watched Pedro strop’s wild pitch, Gallo scores, cubs lose cubs lose.

 

I think your right, their bullpen worse than ours.