Kimbrel?

[jonescm128]

Sounds like Knebel indicated discomfort on Monday and then we find out we are interested in Kimbrel. I am guessing if Knebel did not get hurt they would not have reached out to Kimbrel?

 

I knew a super pen of Hader, Jeffress, Knebel, and Kimbrel was too good to be true.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Sounds like Knebel indicated discomfort on Monday and then we find out we are interested in Kimbrel. I am guessing if Knebel did not get hurt they would not have reached out to Kimbrel?

 

I knew a super pen of Hader, Jeffress, Knebel, and Kimbrel was too good to be true.

 

Here I thought that the Brewers were being next-level proactive and value-driven, but apparently I was giving them too much credit. Signing Kimbrel now is the textbook definition of reactionary desperation.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Probably should let this all play out. Hopefully Knebel will be fine with a bit of rest. Who knows if the reports of kimbrel are accurate. We shall see. But I do love the starters choices. Nelson could take Davies spot soon.

[Brew crew 92]

Sounds like Knebel indicated discomfort on Monday and then we find out we are interested in Kimbrel. I am guessing if Knebel did not get hurt they would not have reached out to Kimbrel?

 

I knew a super pen of Hader, Jeffress, Knebel, and Kimbrel was too good to be true.

 

Here I thought that the Brewers were being next-level proactive and value-driven, but apparently I was giving them too much credit. Signing Kimbrel now is the textbook definition of reactionary desperation.

 

Disagree. It’s only money. Look at it like an investment to protect an investment. Brewers invested 29+ in moose and Grandal why? To win the series THIS year. If we overpay a little for Kimbrel to win the serie THIS year it’s worth the overpay. World Series could be worth 50-100 mil. If it goes south stearns can dump him and we be fine.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Sounds like Knebel indicated discomfort on Monday and then we find out we are interested in Kimbrel. I am guessing if Knebel did not get hurt they would not have reached out to Kimbrel?

 

I knew a super pen of Hader, Jeffress, Knebel, and Kimbrel was too good to be true.

 

Here I thought that the Brewers were being next-level proactive and value-driven, but apparently I was giving them too much credit. Signing Kimbrel now is the textbook definition of reactionary desperation.

Who cares what the reason for signing him is? You act like he isn’t arguably the best and most consistent reliever of all time. You could argue dumping those kind of resources on a huge strength doesn’t make much sense value wise, but now that the outlook on the bullpen is a bit shaky there’s a value to be had.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Sounds like Knebel indicated discomfort on Monday and then we find out we are interested in Kimbrel. I am guessing if Knebel did not get hurt they would not have reached out to Kimbrel?

 

I knew a super pen of Hader, Jeffress, Knebel, and Kimbrel was too good to be true.

 

Here I thought that the Brewers were being next-level proactive and value-driven, but apparently I was giving them too much credit. Signing Kimbrel now is the textbook definition of reactionary desperation.

Who cares what the reason for signing him is? You act like he isn’t arguably the best and most consistent reliever of all time. You could argue dumping those kind of resources on a huge strength doesn’t make much sense value wise, but now that the outlook on the bullpen is a bit shaky there’s a value to be had.

 

Of course in the end you are correct. And don't misconstrue my comment as meaning I don't want Kimbrel. I did when I thought he was a luxury signing, and I do now. I guess I just wish that they would have pursued him when they thought they had all hands on deck, making a strength a greater strength. Kinda like what they did in the OF last year. Going after him now is just more of a no-brainer than it is being proactive. I still want it to happen, it just isn't as cool I guess.

[Boomer5]

They are likely going to need to fill one key role if not two. The best available FA happens to fill that role.

 

The dots aren’t that tough to connect.

[Brew crew 92]

They are likely going to need to fill one key role if not two. The best available FA happens to fill that role.

 

The dots aren’t that tough to connect.

 

Couldn’t have said it any better than this with any less words.

[gebc1997]

What the Knebel situation does mean is that likely the rumors were not some scheme to get another team to up their offer. It would seem that our interest and our talks with him are actually happening.

[TURBO]

If all it's going to take to derail this team is a couple of injured bullpen arms (even important ones) then this team is in big trouble.

 

Problem with that logic is if the bullpen is our strength, and you remove 2 of the 3 best ones, yes, that could easily derail an entire season. Especially to a team that uses it's bullpen the way we do.

 

You can't minimize the importance of our bullpen, even if you want to.

[wildcat83]

If all it's going to take to derail this team is a couple of injured bullpen arms (even important ones) then this team is in big trouble.

 

Problem with that logic is if the bullpen is our strength, and you remove 2 of the 3 best ones, yes, that could easily derail an entire season. Especially to a team that uses it's bullpen the way we do.

 

You can't minimize the importance of our bullpen, even if you want to.

 

I agree to an extent, but some of that bullpen strength just shifted to the rotation, and our offense should be better. Burns and Woodruff were a part of the bullpen strength last year, and now will give us more innings from the rotation. Losing something with the pen shouldn't derail the team if it's balanced out with gains from the rotation and offense.

[wildcat83]

Signing Kimbrel worries me if its more than a 1 year deal, and I'm not sure he's going to sign a 1 year deal. Signing pitchers late in ST has not worked well in the past couple years, even though every player is different. Odds are Jeffress could be back before Kimbrel would be ready to help us anyways.

 

I know they aren't related, but a Kimbrel signing would wreak of a panic move similar to the Schoop deal at the trading deadline last year. Making a move to make a move doesn't always work. If Kimbrel was a guy they valued all along they would have been pursing him earlier.

[MrTPlush]

Schoop wasn't a panic move, just a dumb move.

[TURBO]

Kimbrel does not equal Schoop in any way.

 

Kimbrel is an elite, proven player. Schoop, though great at times, is not a player with a multi year proven track record.

[Brew crew 92]

Signing Kimbrel worries me if its more than a 1 year deal, and I'm not sure he's going to sign a 1 year deal. Signing pitchers late in ST has not worked well in the past couple years, even though every player is different. Odds are Jeffress could be back before Kimbrel would be ready to help us anyways.

 

I know they aren't related, but a Kimbrel signing would wreak of a panic move similar to the Schoop deal at the trading deadline last year. Making a move to make a move doesn't always work. If Kimbrel was a guy they valued all along they would have been pursing him earlier.

 

Why only one year? Wouldn’t it be better for the Brewers to have him for multiple years? I mean he could help them win a lot more games over two or three years than one.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Schoop wasn't a panic move, just a dumb move.

Yup that’s one where the scouting team out argued the analytics department. Never made sense from a fit standpoint. I’m still salty bout losing Carmona. Anyway back to Kimbrel.

[82brewcrew82]

If all it's going to take to derail this team is a couple of injured bullpen arms (even important ones) then this team is in big trouble.

 

Problem with that logic is if the bullpen is our strength, and you remove 2 of the 3 best ones, yes, that could easily derail an entire season. Especially to a team that uses it's bullpen the way we do.

 

You can't minimize the importance of our bullpen, even if you want to.

You make two assumptions. The first is that the bullpen is the strength. I think the rotation is potentially significantly improved this year and that become more likely as all three youngsters are in the rotation and every time Nelson steps on the mound is encouraging. I also think the offense is significantly improved (and deeper) that the start of last year. The second assumption is that the pen is going to be used the same way. I think having more quality options (theoretically) in the rotation will change how we use the pen. I think the way it was used last year was a product of the starting options we have.

[MillerParkSouth]

UCL for Knebel, sign Kimbrel now please.

[stoutdude04]

Signing Kimbrel worries me if its more than a 1 year deal, and I'm not sure he's going to sign a 1 year deal. Signing pitchers late in ST has not worked well in the past couple years, even though every player is different. Odds are Jeffress could be back before Kimbrel would be ready to help us anyways.

 

I know they aren't related, but a Kimbrel signing would wreak of a panic move similar to the Schoop deal at the trading deadline last year. Making a move to make a move doesn't always work. If Kimbrel was a guy they valued all along they would have been pursing him earlier.

 

Why only one year? Wouldn’t it be better for the Brewers to have him for multiple years? I mean he could help them win a lot more games over two or three years than one.

 

Chances are he wont sign a multi year deal unless he gets mega money. I'm assuming he would take a 1 year deal for mega money, but the Brewers wouldnt imvest mega money for multiple years. Maybe not though.

[clancyphile]

Problem with that logic is if the bullpen is our strength, and you remove 2 of the 3 best ones, yes, that could easily derail an entire season. Especially to a team that uses it's bullpen the way we do.

 

You can't minimize the importance of our bullpen, even if you want to.

You make two assumptions. The first is that the bullpen is the strength. I think the rotation is potentially significantly improved this year and that become more likely as all three youngsters are in the rotation and every time Nelson steps on the mound is encouraging. I also think the offense is significantly improved (and deeper) that the start of last year. The second assumption is that the pen is going to be used the same way. I think having more quality options (theoretically) in the rotation will change how we use the pen. I think the way it was used last year was a product of the starting options we have.

 

1. When healthy, the bullpen is arguably THE strength of the pitching staff, even with Burnes and Woodruff moving to the rotation. You still had a top three of Hader-Jeffress-Knebel, Guerra pitched well, Claudio was an upgrade over Jennings/Logan, and Trevor Williams and Barnes are no slouches. Chase Anderson may find himself doing better in the pen too. There are other options in AAA as well (Zach Brown, Supak, Olczak, Braden Webb) who could be the 2019 versions of Burnes and Woodruff out of the pen. They can also pull a Smoltz with Nelson if need be. If the Crew signs Kimbrel, the pen is even stronger, especially if Jeffress and Knebel come back soon.

 

2. The movement of Burnes and Woodruff to the rotation makes it that much stronger. Zach Davies won 17 games in 2017, and he's arguably the #5 starter. Nelson is potential depth there... and they can move Guerra and Anderson from the rotation. There's also the emergency options of Brown/Supak in a Freddy Peralta-type role.

 

3. The offense will ease the pressure on the pitching. The only potential black hole is Arcia... and if that happens, the Crew has options, especially when they call up Hiura. Let's say this again: Once Hiura is up, the Crew can put together a lineup with NO black holes.

 

This is a greatly improved team. Jeffress and Knebel are big losses, and while it does make the Crew more vulnerable in the late innings, it shouldn't be hard for the improved rotation and offense to cover for that a bit.

[TURBO]

 

The only potential black hole is Arcia... and if that happens, the Crew has options, especially when they call up Hiura. Let's say this again: Once Hiura is up, the Crew can put together a lineup with NO black holes.

 

 

So just to be clear, if Arcia is the black hole, and Hiura gets called up, who plays shortstop? Are you suggesting, and it won't really be all that shocking, that Hiura will be our SS in that scenario?

 

If / when Hiura gets called up, it is to play 2B. Who plays SS?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

The only potential black hole is Arcia... and if that happens, the Crew has options, especially when they call up Hiura. Let's say this again: Once Hiura is up, the Crew can put together a lineup with NO black holes.

 

 

So just to be clear, if Arcia is the black hole, and Hiura gets called up, who plays shortstop? Are you suggesting, and it won't really be all that shocking, that Hiura will be our SS in that scenario?

 

If / when Hiura gets called up, it is to play 2B. Who plays SS?

 

No, he's suggested in the recent past that Moustakas play SS. Because he played it in HS. Seriously.

[TURBO]

 

The only potential black hole is Arcia... and if that happens, the Crew has options, especially when they call up Hiura. Let's say this again: Once Hiura is up, the Crew can put together a lineup with NO black holes.

 

 

So just to be clear, if Arcia is the black hole, and Hiura gets called up, who plays shortstop? Are you suggesting, and it won't really be all that shocking, that Hiura will be our SS in that scenario?

 

If / when Hiura gets called up, it is to play 2B. Who plays SS?

 

No, he's suggested in the recent past that Moustakas play SS. Because he played it in HS. Seriously.

 

Yes, but I wanted to hear him say it...

[Brew crew 92]

 

The only potential black hole is Arcia... and if that happens, the Crew has options, especially when they call up Hiura. Let's say this again: Once Hiura is up, the Crew can put together a lineup with NO black holes.

 

 

So just to be clear, if Arcia is the black hole, and Hiura gets called up, who plays shortstop? Are you suggesting, and it won't really be all that shocking, that Hiura will be our SS in that scenario?

 

If / when Hiura gets called up, it is to play 2B. Who plays SS?

 

No, he's suggested in the recent past that Moustakas play SS. Because he played it in HS. Seriously.

 

Arcia- .260-.300-15hr-15sb should be close to his line this year. Zero black holes this year.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Arcia- .260-.300-15hr-15sb should be close to his line this year. Zero black holes this year.

 

Oh I agree. I'd gladly take those numbers with his defense at SS. Not everyone feels that way though.