2019 NFL Free Agency/A Busy Day for Green Bay

[lcbj68c]

 

That's what I saw as well. But according to NFL personnel expert OldSchoolSnapper, it was WAY off. Because rather than focusing on the Amos signing, all we got was a diatribe on how Burnett was trash, and only blind Packer fans thought otherwise.

 

This straw man is the post that sent this off the rails. JMB has a penchant for dictating the way other people should post. I am not the first person to mention this. I'd completely let the topic get away from MB, he makes three more replies without me responding, then needlessly calls me out.

 

There was literally nothing about the topic that wasn't civil until this.

 

Nobody cares. Take it to another thread please.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I hesitate to compare any safety to Nick Collins, as that guy was an absolute stud who I believe was headed toward a Hall of Fame career if his career hadn't ended early because of injury. If Amos can even provide something in between what Collins and Burnett provided in their primes, he's going to be a terrific signing.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Those are kinda apples to oranges.

 

Cobb is an old 28 with a lot of miles and bruises. It's hard to believe he's 28.

 

Crowder is an ascending 25 and was on a lot of radars to have a breakout season in 2018 and got hurt. Humphries is another ascending player. Those guys are going to be cogs where they're going, or at least planned-to-be cogs.

 

Both of them commanded higher prices for their potential. I think Cobb is out of gas and will be out of football by 2021.

[lcbj68c]

Beckham to the browns, yeah? Packers fans can kiss that idea goodbye.

[pacopete4]

Good for Cleveland. We will see them in the Super Bowl!

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Beckham to the browns, yeah? Packers fans can kiss that idea goodbye.

 

He ended up going for more than I thought he would. That Browns team has a lot of talent, though. They are going to battle for a playoff spot this year.

Honestly with the money the Packers spent today, any chance of acquiring Beckham had sailed.

[PeaveyFury]

A 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and Jabril Peppers for OBJ is a nice haul for the Giants.

[young guns]

A 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and Jabril Peppers for OBJ is a nice haul for the Giants.

Wow, that is expensive.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Not really surprised at the haul given they extended him last year. CLE will have him as long as they want him.

[HarveysWBs]

A 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and Jabril Peppers for OBJ is a nice haul for the Giants.

 

Technically, just a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers; the Giants are not receiving a 2nd round pick with the deal. https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/03/giants-trade-odell-beckham-jr-to-browns

 

That's a pretty good deal for both sides, I think (and yeah, I wish the Packers would have done it). Peppers helps restock the Giants secondary for the future with a chance to still grow and develop, and they get much better draft compensation than the Steelers did for Brown, albeit under drastically different circumstances. Meanwhile, Baker Mayfield will have just about everything he needs to take a big step forward this year. Heady days in Cleveland!

[PeaveyFury]

Yep, I read that wrong originally ("2nd third round pick")... thanks!

 

Not sure if the Packers had a Peppers equivalent to trade, but I'd have done the 1st/3rd for sure.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

It's bizarre NYG extended him. Why? They paid $21mm for a season, eat $16mm dead money. Good on them getting a nice return back, but that made no sense. It wasn't like people thought they were on the verge of big things.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Yep, I read that wrong originally ("2nd third round pick")... thanks!

 

Not sure if the Packers had a Peppers equivalent to trade, but I'd have done the 1st/3rd for sure.

 

Closest equivalent would probably be either Josh Jones or Kevin King, and I'm not sure either of those guys is a great comparison. I had earlier said what I heard was #30 and Valdez-Scantling, and the deal the Giants ended up getting is significantly better than than. #12, a 3rd rounder and Valdez-Scantling might have done it.

[brewcrewdue80]

It is tough reading these threads with the constant 1man-upship.

 

It is good to hear the Packers have signed an OL, two Edge Rushers(pairing with healthy Daniels/Clark whoa) and a Safety that was a part of a record breaking Bears Defense. You remove the need at edge and can take BPA. Or in my hopes a high pick at OL and whichever TE is left of the two praised upon here.

 

Love that the big mistake of signing Perry has been removed and not kept around. It's been a great day and more excitement for the draft afterwards!

[LouisEly]

It's bizarre NYG extended him. Why? They paid $21mm for a season, eat $16mm dead money. Good on them getting a nice return back, but that made no sense. It wasn't like people thought they were on the verge of big things.

I'm not sure when the latest changes to the draft compensation took place, but wasn't 2018 the last year of his rookie contract? I'd think they'd get more in trade if he's under contract for five years than if he has one year left and no guarantee he'll resign with the team he's traded to. If they have to eat the bonus as dead cap, that makes him all the more valuable to another team in trade because they get him for a lower cap value and thus increases the return. I think it makes sense.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

What I actually meant was why not trade him last year before paying $21mm. Pretty much everybody was low on the Giants last year. You can't just let him walk away, but it's a head scratcher why they didn't trade him last season.

[Pugger]

Randall Cobb is most certainly NOT worth 3/24. That’s pure and utter insanity. Cobb is a league minimum (veteran) player now, at best.

 

Will Cobb become an UFA this spring?

[OnTheBlack]

It's bizarre NYG extended him. Why? They paid $21mm for a season, eat $16mm dead money. Good on them getting a nice return back, but that made no sense. It wasn't like people thought they were on the verge of big things.

 

It gave them the leverage to trade him on their terms unlike the Steelers.

 

Also, coming into this past season they were just one year removed from an 11 win team and a division title...so they apparently thought they had one more run with Eli and then the addition of the biggest impact rookie in Barkley.

 

Didn't work out so they get to hold OBJ out there and say they don't need to trade him unless they get value back. They can eat the cap hit because they're not going to be competitive now anyway.

 

At least that'd be my thinking. I don't understand why they didn't franchise Collins and then work out a trade. You would think they'd have likely gotten a 2nd for him like the Chiefs did for Dee Ford.

[OnTheBlack]

Those are kinda apples to oranges.

 

Cobb is an old 28 with a lot of miles and bruises. It's hard to believe he's 28.

 

Crowder is an ascending 25 and was on a lot of radars to have a breakout season in 2018 and got hurt. Humphries is another ascending player. Those guys are going to be cogs where they're going, or at least planned-to-be cogs.

 

Both of them commanded higher prices for their potential. I think Cobb is out of gas and will be out of football by 2021.

 

Yeah, I don't know when he'll be out of football and I'm not going to predict that, but looking at the two other slot WR'ers who signed for 8-10 million and while they're a couple years younger, they haven't been as productive as Cobb.

 

I'm fine if you believe they have more value than Cobb, but Cobb definitely has more value than a vets minimum. I think he'll get 6-8 million per year.

[OnTheBlack]

Randall Cobb is most certainly NOT worth 3/24. That’s pure and utter insanity. Cobb is a league minimum (veteran) player now, at best.

 

Will Cobb become an UFA this spring?

 

 

Cobb's a UFA as of right now.

[OnTheBlack]

It is tough reading these threads with the constant 1man-upship.

 

It is good to hear the Packers have signed an OL, two Edge Rushers(pairing with healthy Daniels/Clark whoa) and a Safety that was a part of a record breaking Bears Defense. You remove the need at edge and can take BPA. Or in my hopes a high pick at OL and whichever TE is left of the two praised upon here.

 

Love that the big mistake of signing Perry has been removed and not kept around. It's been a great day and more excitement for the draft afterwards!

 

 

I'm particularly excited about Amos and Za'Darius Smith. The more I read about Preston Smith, the more it sounds like he's a really nice player as well. The Billy Turner signing seems like a massive overpay however as he's bounced around and really has only had a 11 game sample size where he was solid and it sounds like he's more of a guard from the little I've read and not a guy you'd want playing tackle.

 

 

The thing that most people are saying is that the Packers have really overpaid...even on Amos, though 9 million or so per year for him sounds like a good deal. But they gave Za'Darius Smith a deal on par with what Trey Flowers will get per year. Without the guarantees, it's hard to really compare.

 

But over 100 million on two OLB'ers, neither of which has had a 9 sack season yet, though both still have a lot of upside and almost 30 million on a utility offensive linemen? Again, I realize that the numbers that matter are guaranteed dollars, but man, what a 180 from TT. We just signed a backup OL for more than Bulaga is going to get per year.

 

Taking on Perry's cap hit this year helps the cap in the future if any of these deals don't work out and it would appear all are pretty front loaded, and I agree with you that it's great that we can now do whatever we want in the draft and don't have to. I'm still hoping for the same two guys in the first round, Sweat at 12 and Fant at 30, but maybe the Packers think Allen is going to be a elite edge rusher and they move up for Allen, or Fant's stock keeps rising and they can't afford to wait until 30 to take him.

 

 

Either way, I'm fine with future cap problems as you can almost always kick the can down the road and we have a 36 year old all time great QB right now and getting a defense that's younger, more physical and more versatile was absolutely essential. But anyone else questioning the money we spent? Or just happy we added a couple guys who seem to be able to stay healthy and can rush the passer(I read in one article that Preston Smith has like 110 QB pressures that last 4 years, more than guys like Clowney and other elite pass rushers)?

 

The Packers are definitely a lot more talented today(or they will be once these deals are officially signed) than they were before and they addressed their biggest need. I just hope the backers play up to their deals, Amos takes one more small step and becomes a bit more of a playmaker and Turner is as good as he showed in limited action last year.

 

Now just a Saints-like Lattimore-Ramzcyk-Williams-Kamara draft and maybe we'll get Arod another Super Bowl or 4 during the rest of his time here in Green Bay.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Those are kinda apples to oranges.

 

Cobb is an old 28 with a lot of miles and bruises. It's hard to believe he's 28.

 

Crowder is an ascending 25 and was on a lot of radars to have a breakout season in 2018 and got hurt. Humphries is another ascending player. Those guys are going to be cogs where they're going, or at least planned-to-be cogs.

 

Both of them commanded higher prices for their potential. I think Cobb is out of gas and will be out of football by 2021.

 

Yeah, I don't know when he'll be out of football and I'm not going to predict that, but looking at the two other slot WR'ers who signed for 8-10 million and while they're a couple years younger, they haven't been as productive as Cobb.

 

I'm fine if you believe they have more value than Cobb, but Cobb definitely has more value than a vets minimum. I think he'll get 6-8 million per year.

 

Are you referring to Humphries and Crowder? If not, NVM, but Cobb really hasn't been more productive. He was for a season in 2014, but that's prehistoric. He's had trouble staying healthy and has been topping out about where those guys are now. It's just Ascension vs. descension. I'd take both of those guys over Cobb at this point 10/10 times. His catch % dipped sharply last year which is usually a good sign a WR is falling off. Not withstanding Crowder getting hurt last year, both have gotten better every year thus far. He's never been the athlete Crowder is either.

 

But someone will pay Cobb. I think he'll go the same route as Jennings. He'll wind up somewhere and probably be moderately productive for a little bit and then fade away. I thought he was a great player four years ago and one of the best at helping Rodgers through busted plays, but he has a ton of red flags signaling he's out of juice.

[Outlander]

I really don't think Cobb will get much of a contract, maybe a Tramon Williams type deal. To be as unproductive as he has been with Rodgers the last couple of years should be alarming to all general managers.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I really don't think Cobb will get much of a contract, maybe a Tramon Williams type deal. To be as unproductive as he has been with Rodgers the last couple of years should be alarming to all general managers.

 

Cobb is a tough one to peg. 10 years ago he would have gotten 3 years and $25-30 million pretty much based on his name, but GMs have wised up to a degree and are starting to look past name and reputation and more toward actual performance and upside. While Cobb should technically still be in his prime age-wise, it is important to remember he was drafted extremely young (he had just turned 21), so there's a lot of wear on those tires. He was never especially fast, either, but quick and shifty. Now with the injuries he's had, the little speed he did have has diminished, along with some of that quickness. Can he still be a solid player in the NFL? Yes, I believe so. He's smart and still shifty. Also small slot receivers are en vogue right now. I could see a deal for Cobb from some team like the Bears for 2 years/$14-16 million. Right around Jordy Nelson money.

[PeaveyFury]

Someone will give him a deal, but I agree with most that it shouldn't be the Packers. I know Tate is older, but he's been incredibly durable so far in his career. I'd rather have a guy who is on the field and older than someone with a bit more upside that will only play 8-9 games, personally.