2019 NFL Free Agency/A Busy Day for Green Bay

[FVBrewerFan]

Breeland was not very good. He made a couple flash plays to make us all think he was good, but bottom line is he is just....slow.

[CheezWizHed]

It was more than a couple flash plays. He was very steady the last 5-6 games.

 

Yes, he was slower. Yes, he is replaceable in the draft. Just for that price, it would've been nice to bring him back. If he cost $7-8M, I would've changed my tune.

[docduany]

At the price Breeland signed for, he would've been nice piece to bring back. I do think corner needs to be addressed in the draft.

[Outlander]

Cobb gets 1 year $5 millions, not totally bargain basement but better start producing if he wants a contract next year.

[pacopete4]

Seeing Cobb on the Cowboys is rough. Ish.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

So that's the Cowboys answer to losing Cole Beasley. I'm a little surprised. Market must have been really dry for him to take that deal. I hope it works out for him. If he has another year like this past one it could be his swan song.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Clay to the Rams. Really just a weird feeling seeing all these stalwarts elsewhere. Really feels a lot like post-Favre transitional years.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 years/$16.75 million max for Clay. There was no way the Packers were going to go there, nor should they have. Best of luck to Clay, as he was a great Packer for a long time. But it's time to move on.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm gonna guess that is loaded with incentives and/or an easy out for LAR after one year. Guessing they can cut him after one with very little penalty. I thought he got kinda unjustly kicked around the last few years. Yeah he fell off for sure, but he still seemed to disrupt things now and then. He just seems like someone who could still produce as a PRS and not be an every down guy. He just couldn't carry a defense anymore and in GB he still had to be that guy. Definitely shouldn't be here on that kind of deal though.

[LouisEly]

2 years/$16.75 million max for Clay. There was no way the Packers were going to go there, nor should they have. Best of luck to Clay, as he was a great Packer for a long time. But it's time to move on.

CMIII also gets to go home to SoCal.

[wildcat83]

Read Matthews had better financial offers, but wanted to be close to home. Very curious who offered more than that? I thought this deal was higher than what he’d get.

 

Was a great run here. Glad for what he gave us, and glad for Clay to be able to get back to LA. Best of luck to him.

[RollieTime]

I’m gonna miss not seeing Clay in a Packers uniform. I was hoping he could come back and be a guy who comes in on third down and goes all out. Definitely couldn’t bring him back at what the Rams offered him though to play mostly on third down. Thank you Clay and best of luck!

[OnTheBlack]

I think the distinction to make with Cobb is that you realistically ARE paying him to get 700 yards. You're hoping to get a lot more than that from Crowder/Humphries.

 

 

That's absolutely true. But the point was they were slot WR'ers who hadn't really established themselves and had injuries and got paid like #2 WR'ers. Cobb did end up getting less than I thought, but he got 5 million with the chance to earn more with incentives.

 

I suspect he's going to get a lot of targets in Dallas, though I would NOT expect his YPC to be very impressive with Dak.

[OnTheBlack]

It was more than a couple flash plays. He was very steady the last 5-6 games.

 

Yes, he was slower. Yes, he is replaceable in the draft. Just for that price, it would've been nice to bring him back. If he cost $7-8M, I would've changed my tune.

 

 

It was absolutely more than a couple of flash plays. I'm not wishing they brought him back because he had a pick 6 last year. He was a competent Corner. Sure, he wasn't a stud, but studs make 15+ million in free agency. He was depth for 3.5 million on a team that has King and Alexander who played about 4 snaps together last year and then Josh Jackson, probably exclusively an outside bump and run corner for a few years before he moves over to FS and what else? I guess Tramon is competent.

 

But after several years of seeing less than competent corners, I'd like the depth. And you're 100 pct right, they can add someone in the draft, they can pick someone up after the draft when someone inevitably gets cut, they can sign someone who is cut when the rosters cut down, but he was just a steady, reliable guy who was a minor injury last year away from signing a 3 year 27 million dollar deal before failing his physical.

 

Really getting on board with the Packers drafting the BPA at pass rusher, Oliver, Sweat, one of the Clemson guys, or if Williams drops. Take a position that's solid and really stock up on it and make it dominant.

[OnTheBlack]

I'm gonna guess that is loaded with incentives and/or an easy out for LAR after one year. Guessing they can cut him after one with very little penalty. I thought he got kinda unjustly kicked around the last few years. Yeah he fell off for sure, but he still seemed to disrupt things now and then. He just seems like someone who could still produce as a PRS and not be an every down guy. He just couldn't carry a defense anymore and in GB he still had to be that guy. Definitely shouldn't be here on that kind of deal though.

 

 

I thought I'd heard that there were incentives in there that he could earn more. I'm definitely surprised he signed that deal. Also, I get the Rams have a QB on a rookie deal, but they ALWAYS seem to have money to spend.

 

Anyway, I agree. You saw that burst out of Clay from time to time last year where he just absolutely blew up a play or got to the QB well under that 2.5 second threshold.

 

In fact, last year he won(beating his guy in 2.5 seconds) more than I think people on here would guess. He was 27th out of 91 qualified pass rushers. Of course Dante Fowler was 1st on that list when the Rams traded for him.

 

Another thing that's surprising is that it doesn't sound like they're going to use him primarily as a pass rusher. They'll obviously use him there, but they're talking about him stepping in for Mark Barron. That makes almost no sense to me, a former safety who moved to LB to play the pass being replaced by a former All Pro 3-4 OLB'er. We all know he can play inside, I'd just think he'd insist on playing outside primarily.

[CheezWizHed]

Personally, I see Clay being in a similar situation as Julius Peppers playing fewer snaps in a dual role. Except instead Peppers playing OLB plus DL on passing downs, Clay would be playing MLB and OLB on obvious passing downs.

[HiAndTight]

Read Matthews had better financial offers, but wanted to be close to home. Very curious who offered more than that? I thought this deal was higher than what he’d get.

 

Was a great run here. Glad for what he gave us, and glad for Clay to be able to get back to LA. Best of luck to him.

 

I feel like people have forgotten that Clay may have saved that SB win for us when he came crashing in late in the game and forced a fumble that the Packers recovered near mid-field when the Steelers were driving.

 

That said, hard to believe he was getting offered more than 2/16.5 with incentives.

 

Perhaps a 3 year 30 million dollar deal that didn't have any more real money in it in two years than the Rams did I guess.

[CheezWizHed]

You can't live in the past and give people contracts based on what they did. Especially when it was 9 years ago. Unfortunately, it was time to move on, but we will be a better team for minimizing the number of players over 30 on the team. At least not giving them $5M+/year contracts.

[HiAndTight]

You can't live in the past and give people contracts based on what they did. Especially when it was 9 years ago. Unfortunately, it was time to move on, but we will be a better team for minimizing the number of players over 30 on the team. At least not giving them $5M+/year contracts.

 

 

Well, first of all, I'd have gladly given Clay 5 million to come back. He's still clearly worth that much.

 

But nowhere in my post did I even suggest the Packers should have signed him. I pointed out he made one of the biggest plays in Packers history, but it seems to be a play that few really remember, then said it was hard to believe that he had higher offers and then and suggested that maybe he had a higher offer, but with less real(read-guaranteed money in it).

 

Even if that is what I said, I think Clay's career with the Packers amounts to a bit more than one play 9 years ago. That seemed a little unecessarily snide. You're suggesting I'm advocating for signing(and again, didn't even advocate giving Clay the deal) Howard Green because he had a big play 9 years ago(hitting Big Ben as he threw it on the Collins pick).

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Per a Tweet from James Jones, Jordy Nelson is calling it a career. And quite the career it was. One heck of a receiver in his prime.

 

Now hopefully the "Jordy to GB" talk will cease.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Nelson never seemed like a guy who was 100% football to me. I don't mean that he didn't work hard or something, just that family was bigger and there was more to his life than football. Just got that sense from interviews over the years that he really was at peace being at home and working with his foundation. I doubted he was interested in relocating again.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Nelson never seemed like a guy who was 100% football to me. I don't mean that he didn't work hard or something, just that family was bigger and there was more to his life than football. Just got that sense from interviews over the years that he really was at peace being at home and working with his foundation. I doubted he was interested in relocating again.

 

I got the same idea about him. I think he's one of those guys that will step away from the game, and the only time you'll hear about him is when he's inducted into the Packers Hall of Fame, and for various reunions every few years. He's smart enough to be a terrific coach, but also smart enough not to stay far away from coaching, if you know what I mean.

[CheezWizHed]

You can't live in the past and give people contracts based on what they did. Especially when it was 9 years ago. Unfortunately, it was time to move on, but we will be a better team for minimizing the number of players over 30 on the team. At least not giving them $5M+/year contracts.

 

 

Well, first of all, I'd have gladly given Clay 5 million to come back. He's still clearly worth that much.

 

But nowhere in my post did I even suggest the Packers should have signed him. I pointed out he made one of the biggest plays in Packers history, but it seems to be a play that few really remember, then said it was hard to believe that he had higher offers and then and suggested that maybe he had a higher offer, but with less real(read-guaranteed money in it).

 

Even if that is what I said, I think Clay's career with the Packers amounts to a bit more than one play 9 years ago. That seemed a little unecessarily snide. You're suggesting I'm advocating for signing(and again, didn't even advocate giving Clay the deal) Howard Green because he had a big play 9 years ago(hitting Big Ben as he threw it on the Collins pick).

 

That said, hard to believe he was getting offered more than 2/16.5 with incentives.

 

This was the crux of your post. The "that said" part was only supported by the discussion of that one play 9 years ago.

 

I wasn't being snide, I was simply responding to your post to say that good business decisions aren't based on sentimental memories from years past. If that isn't what you meant, I'm sorry. That is how the post reads.

 

I also would take Clay at $5M if he agreed to play that hybrid MLB/OLB role I discussed in an earlier post. But I added the "+" to generally mean deals over that. So 2 years at $8.25M/year I would avoid for players north of 30.

[OnTheBlack]

Nelson never seemed like a guy who was 100% football to me. I don't mean that he didn't work hard or something, just that family was bigger and there was more to his life than football. Just got that sense from interviews over the years that he really was at peace being at home and working with his foundation. I doubted he was interested in relocating again.

 

 

 

Probably has a lot to do with all the talk about his farm and how he enjoyed working on it.

 

But good for Jordy. Don't hang around and take more blows to the head and move from city to city the last few years. He's a Packer HOF'er(IMO).

 

I COULD see him coming back to the Packers ala James Jones if the unspeakable would happen with our top WR'er, but he's 33. Old for a football player, 2/3rds of his life left and hopefully he invested well and he can enjoy the best years of his life.

[HiAndTight]

You can't live in the past and give people contracts based on what they did. Especially when it was 9 years ago. Unfortunately, it was time to move on, but we will be a better team for minimizing the number of players over 30 on the team. At least not giving them $5M+/year contracts.

 

 

Well, first of all, I'd have gladly given Clay 5 million to come back. He's still clearly worth that much.

 

But nowhere in my post did I even suggest the Packers should have signed him. I pointed out he made one of the biggest plays in Packers history, but it seems to be a play that few really remember, then said it was hard to believe that he had higher offers and then and suggested that maybe he had a higher offer, but with less real(read-guaranteed money in it).

 

Even if that is what I said, I think Clay's career with the Packers amounts to a bit more than one play 9 years ago. That seemed a little unecessarily snide. You're suggesting I'm advocating for signing(and again, didn't even advocate giving Clay the deal) Howard Green because he had a big play 9 years ago(hitting Big Ben as he threw it on the Collins pick).

 

That said, hard to believe he was getting offered more than 2/16.5 with incentives.

 

This was the crux of your post. The "that said" part was only supported by the discussion of that one play 9 years ago.

 

I wasn't being snide, I was simply responding to your post to say that good business decisions aren't based on sentimental memories from years past. If that isn't what you meant, I'm sorry. That is how the post reads.

 

I also would take Clay at $5M if he agreed to play that hybrid MLB/OLB role I discussed in an earlier post. But I added the "+" to generally mean deals over that. So 2 years at $8.25M/year I would avoid for players north of 30.

 

 

You're reading things that just aren't there. I don't see where it reads that I wanted him back.

 

I mentioned one of the biggest plays in Packers history that I believe tends to get overlooked.

I said I thought it was surprising to hear that he got bigger offers than the one he got from the Rams for 2 years and 16.5 million dollars and then speculated that maybe someone offered him a deal with less guaranteed money, but for more total dollars.

 

Nowhere in there did I insinuated that the Packers should have signed Clay Matthews and I certainly didn't do so for the utterly ridicuous reason that he made a big play 9 years ago.

 

This was the crux of your post. The "that said" part was only supported by the discussion of that one play 9 years ago

 

That said doesn't have to be supported by anything. It's a throw away line. A transition from one topic to another.