Trade with jets?

[patrickgpe]

Word is that the jets are willing to trade down from 3. According to the value chard 12 + 30 =1820 and 3 is 2200. You obviously would have to throw in more (4 is only 1800 so it would make more sense to trade up to 4). If bosa or Allen is around though it may be something to look at.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I was thinking the same thing this morning. Jets want out of that spot after giving up a lot to get D'Arnold last year. I think if either of those guys falls, they would consider it. I'd love to see Bosa in Pettine's defense.

[MrTPlush]

There seems to be a lot of edge rushers in this draft. Burning three high picks to get Bosa/Allen seems like a poor idea when we could use the depth from 3 picks instead of one. I like Ferrell if he can drop.

[OldHeidelberg]

I would love to get Allen but it does seem like 5 is as high as they can reasonably trade up without giving up too much and every mock I see has him top 3. That can change though and the Packer should definitely be scouting those top guys heavily, if you think a guy is a HOF caliber player you go get him.

[patrickgpe]

I would love to get Allen but it does seem like 5 is as high as they can reasonably trade up without giving up too much and every mock I see has him top 3. That can change though and the Packer should definitely be scouting those top guys heavily, if you think a guy is a HOF caliber player you go get him.

 

I think the raiders would be receptive to getting 2 first round picks for 4 and the math works out via the draft value chart. It would depend on who goes in the top 3 and if the packers are also willing though. I’d love to add a superstar which I think they can do with their extra pick

[brwrsfan]

Unless it's Bosa, I'd have a really hard time seeing the Packers give up a ton to move up into the top 5. And I HIGHLY doubt Bosa falls out of the top 2, though crazier things have happened I guess.

[OnTheBlack]

Unless it's Bosa, I'd have a really hard time seeing the Packers give up a ton to move up into the top 5. And I HIGHLY doubt Bosa falls out of the top 2, though crazier things have happened I guess.

 

 

Well, it may help that a guy who was well under .500 at his alma mater is leading the team that has the top pick and seems to love Murray, and it's not crazy to think Hoskins could go 2nd. In that scenario however, that 3rd pick is likely to be worth even more than the Jimmy Johnson equation may value it at. Bosa looks like he might be even better than his brother and the type of guy who can help turnaround a defense quickly. Not sure he's a great fit in Pettine's D as he's on the small side for a 5 or a 7 technique, but he's such a stud that he'll be great in any system.

 

If we're not getting him, and it looks like both he and Allen will likely be out of reach, anyone else intrigued by Oliver? They were talking about him being the consensus top talent coming into the year and now I see mocks having him falling out of the top 10. An edge rusher is obviously the biggest need, but if you can get a guy with something even approaching Donald type talent, I'd rather see that then reaching for Sweat or someone. Just curious why he's falling on these mocks. Is it because for 3 years people have been talking about him, because he was banged up and wasn't as good last year, the lesser talent?

[OldHeidelberg]

Murray does seem to be moving up the mocks and with 3 QB's and maybe even 4 going before #12 you have to think a pretty solid defensive player will fall to the Packers. I would be fine with Oliver as he seems to be tier above the edge rushers likely to be available at #12. Was also just reading the Packers could take Hockenson at #12 and then take a pass rusher at #30. They could even move up a bit from #30 and get a guy like Polite. Nice to have that extra pick, gives us a lot of options in an offseason when we really need them.

[patrickgpe]

If they can get Oliver or Ferrel at 12 and Hockinson or brown at 30 that would be a Home run.

[OnTheBlack]

If they can get Oliver or Ferrel at 12 and Hockinson or brown at 30 that would be a Home run.

 

 

Isn't Fant likely to be the 2nd Iowa TE drafted? I'd think he may be more realistic at 30...despite his lack of blocking. But that 40 makes him a lot more enticing. Like Engram from Ole Miss and the guy the Giants drafted from Miami the last couple years, he'd be pretty much a WR'er. Not that I wouldn't love to see him in GB.

 

 

As for Oliver, again, I don't know what to make of him myself since I don't see a lot of Cougars games, but like I said in another thread, the talk coming into the year and even out of HS was that he was a rare, generational type talent. That's certainly toned done, hence him being projected to be available in some mocks when we're picking. Again, just wondering what's caused that. Sometimes when you're the consensus #1 people pick apart at you looking for holes and this past year he was banged up and had his worst year. He also didn't play the same level of competition.

 

 

But Oliver, Hockenson/Fant, even Irv Smith and then Jaylon Ferguson in the 2nd would seem to be a pretty nice trio in the first 46 picks.

 

That, coupled with the fact that Gute has said he plans to address edge rushers in free agency and then "see what we have left over," suggests that we're going to go hard after one of the elite available FA's, hopefully someone like Clowney and then someone with upside still like Fowler and we could be looking at a pretty quick turnaround if we hit on these.

 

Pretty sure Perry isn't coming back next year(I believe it'd free up about another 8 or 9 million in cap space) and we'll need multiple additions on the edge.

[LouisEly]

Pretty sure Perry isn't coming back next year(I believe it'd free up about another 8 or 9 million in cap space)

It would free up only ~$3M in cap space.

 

If they release him the cap hit is $11,100,000 - the remaining pro-rated part of his signing bonus ($3.7M per year for three years). His cap hit for 2019 is $14,437,500, which is his cash payout (salary and roster/workout bonuses) of $10,737,500 plus the pro-rated part of his signing bonus ($3.7M). While he is an injury risk, I don't think they are going to find a player with his upside in free agency for $3.3M/year.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/nick-perry-9838/

 

If they designated him as a post-June 1st cut the cap hit this year would only be $3.7M, but all that does is kick the rest of the dead cap ($7.4M) down the road to next year and after June 1st most if not all of the good free agents will have been signed and the cap space probably could only be used to extend current players or acquire a player via trade.

 

I think the most likely scenario is that they renegotiate his deal and replace the salary & roster/workout bonus with a smaller guaranteed salary. If they cut him, he will make nowhere near $10.7M on the free market, so a guaranteed salary of $6M - freeing up $4.7M in cap space - might be appealing as he would be lucky to get more than 1/$3.5M as a free agent.

[Point Beer Is Best]

I think the Jets are looking at what the Colts did to them last year and are saying, "Oh yeah - that was way smarter than what we did."

 

Prior to the 2018 draft, the Jets sent picks #6, #37, #49 plus a 2019 2nd rounder (#34 this year) to the Colts to leap two teams to move up to #3. That's an expensive price tag. It may all be worth it if the Jets found a franchise QB in Darnold, but the Colts had one heck of a draft in 2018 and have an extra 2nd to play with this year as well.

 

Bottom line - I wouldn't trade 12 & 30 to move up to #3. Maybe if your guy is there around #8 and you want to send pick 44 to move up from 12... I can at least understand it. I think there are too many holes on the roster to be trading up unless they determine that there are really only 8 or so blue-chip players in the draft.

[GAME05]

The Packers' problem isn't so much needing one superstar to get them over the hump, but getting a whole bunch of adequate players to replace positions that have been sub-par. If anything the Packers need five 2nd rounders more than two 1st rounders.

[HiAndTight]

The Packers' problem isn't so much needing one superstar to get them over the hump, but getting a whole bunch of adequate players to replace positions that have been sub-par. If anything the Packers need five 2nd rounders more than two 1st rounders.

 

 

I actually disagree. Look at the leap the Bears D made this past year with the addition of Mack? Look at the Packers '96 defense. They had some guys who were aging stars in Sean Jones and Dotson, but both were past their prime. It was Reggie and Butler.

 

The 2010 team had Clay and Woodson and then you had Howard rBrown starting, just a big guy they signed off the street to clog up the running game.

 

 

Of course you posted this prior to our FA signings so maybe that would have changed your mind, but I think one superstar, especially a superstar in the front 5(DL and OLB'ers) can make average guys good and good guys stars. You think Roquan has the type of year he had without Mack? Or Hicks, or even Eddie Jackson and or Fuller?

 

Those were all solid players who made huge leaps this year because of Mack.

 

IF you could trade up and pick up Bosa, then I think with Alexander, Blake, Clark, Daniels, Lowry, and now Amos, Preston and Za'Darius Smith and the guys around him, you have the makings of a elite defense IF Bosa is an elite-15 sack/40+ hurry a year type guy.

 

Edit-Just for the record, I don't believe that the Packers are going to end up with Bosa, just playing devils advocate.

[OnTheBlack]

The Packers' problem isn't so much needing one superstar to get them over the hump, but getting a whole bunch of adequate players to replace positions that have been sub-par. If anything the Packers need five 2nd rounders more than two 1st rounders.

 

 

Ok, after the signings, we seem to have pretty adequate players at most positions.

 

IF you believe Josh Allen is really a generational OLB'er who can not only rush the passer and get you double digit sacks, but can also make a play on the ball 40 yards downfield when in coverage, would you then consider trading...lets say both of our 1sts, a 4th this year and a 2nd next year(maybe get Daron Lee back as well, a talented MLB'er with 4.4 speed who has been up and down as a MLB'er).

 

In THAT scenario, would you make that type of trade? I've only seen glimpses of Allen and didn't watch the SEC Network much and especially Kentucky, but there are no questions about competition, and even with Preston and Za'Darius Smith(the later of whom moves inside and rushes over the guard often on 3rd down)...there are no longer any glaring holes.

 

 

Just curious. I can see either way. One scenario you could get a really good CB or DL and then a weapon for Rodgers, in the other the hope that you get a game changing pass rusher.

 

I'd like to see how people compare Allen to past pass rushers like Myles Garret and Bradley Chubb first though.

[xisxisxis]

IF you believe Josh Allen is really a generational OLB'er who can not only rush the passer and get you double digit sacks, but can also make a play on the ball 40 yards downfield when in coverage, would you then consider trading...lets say both of our 1sts, a 4th this year and a 2nd next year(maybe get Daron Lee back as well, a talented MLB'er with 4.4 speed who has been up and down as a MLB'er).

 

If they didn't think the price was right for Khalil Mack, why would they pay more for an untested Josh Allen?

[homer]

The Packers' problem isn't so much needing one superstar to get them over the hump, but getting a whole bunch of adequate players to replace positions that have been sub-par. If anything the Packers need five 2nd rounders more than two 1st rounders.

 

 

I actually disagree. Look at the leap the Bears D made this past year with the addition of Mack? Look at the Packers '96 defense. They had some guys who were aging stars in Sean Jones and Dotson, but both were past their prime. It was Reggie and Butler.

 

The 2010 team had Clay and Woodson and then you had Howard rBrown starting, just a big guy they signed off the street to clog up the running game.

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And Nick Collins and BJ Raji.

[HiAndTight]

IF you believe Josh Allen is really a generational OLB'er who can not only rush the passer and get you double digit sacks, but can also make a play on the ball 40 yards downfield when in coverage, would you then consider trading...lets say both of our 1sts, a 4th this year and a 2nd next year(maybe get Daron Lee back as well, a talented MLB'er with 4.4 speed who has been up and down as a MLB'er).

 

If they didn't think the price was right for Khalil Mack, why would they pay more for an untested Josh Allen?

 

 

From everything I've read they did think the price was right for Mack and went after him very hard, the Raiders just believed the Packers 1st round picks would be late 1sts while the Bears would be earlier firsts.

 

And had they made that trade, that likely would have been the case. The Bears gave up back to back 1sts, a 3rd, a 5th and then 142 million to sign him.

 

That's a bit more than trading the 30th pick in the draft to move up to the 3rd pick(plus whatever later round picks) to get someone.

 

But I haven't see any evidence that it was the Packers who didn't believe Mack was "worth it." In fact, it sounded like they were the last team bidding against the Bears.

 

I do like the idea of getting back Lee. A 1st round pick from just two years ago. Not sure where he'll play in New York this year with Mosley there.

[HiAndTight]

The Packers' problem isn't so much needing one superstar to get them over the hump, but getting a whole bunch of adequate players to replace positions that have been sub-par. If anything the Packers need five 2nd rounders more than two 1st rounders.

 

 

I actually disagree. Look at the leap the Bears D made this past year with the addition of Mack? Look at the Packers '96 defense. They had some guys who were aging stars in Sean Jones and Dotson, but both were past their prime. It was Reggie and Butler.

 

The 2010 team had Clay and Woodson and then you had Howard rBrown starting, just a big guy they signed off the street to clog up the running game.

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And Nick Collins and BJ Raji.

 

Yeah, you can debate where exactly they fall. Neither were elite players. Collins was coming on overall in his career.

 

Raji was pretty good for a couple years. Is Raji as good as Hicks is for the Bears, or Collins as good as Eddie Jackson? Better? Not sure. I just know if you have an elite pass rusher, Mack, Reggie, everyone looks a lot better and esecially in the front, you get a lot more 1 on 1's.

[JohnBriggs12]

The Packers' problem isn't so much needing one superstar to get them over the hump, but getting a whole bunch of adequate players to replace positions that have been sub-par. If anything the Packers need five 2nd rounders more than two 1st rounders.

 

It's understandable for a Packer fan to think that way because they've had such a rash of injuries particularly on defense the last couple seasons and they've parted ways with some veterans who were beyond their prime. But the fact is it's stars that get teams over the hump and they added solid but unspectacular veterans in FA to bolster overall talent on that side of the ball. I don't think they'll get a shot at Bosa at number 3, but if they think he's an impact All Pro disruptive defensive linemanm it might be time to roll the dice and hope that finally one of these years the core of the defense will stay intact an entire season.

[HiAndTight]

The Packers' problem isn't so much needing one superstar to get them over the hump, but getting a whole bunch of adequate players to replace positions that have been sub-par. If anything the Packers need five 2nd rounders more than two 1st rounders.

 

It's understandable for a Packer fan to think that way because they've had such a rash of injuries particularly on defense the last couple seasons and they've parted ways with some veterans who were beyond their prime. But the fact is it's stars that get teams over the hump and they added solid but unspectacular veterans in FA to bolster overall talent on that side of the ball. I don't think they'll get a shot at Bosa at number 3, but if they think he's an impact All Pro disruptive defensive linemanm it might be time to roll the dice and hope that finally one of these years the core of the defense will stay intact an entire season.

 

 

Absolutely. Especially after just missing on Mack last year. Bosa...Allen if he's as good as some think. I certainly wouldn't go up for Williams just because 3-4 DT's seldom can make the type of difference we need.

 

But if you could bring in two guys who could be counted on to get 40-60 hurries and 7-8 sacks, and a rookie with all-pro potential who you could almost count on to get 10+ sacks....you've gotta do it.

 

I definitely see the logic in wanting to improve several positions, but real, big time impact players kinda do that by themselves.

 

And in the 2nd round, AJ Brown could be available, Parris Campbell who someone else mentioned could be a big addition, playing the slot, running the occasional Jet Sweep to keep the other team honest, along with returning kicks.

 

Then you add depth with the 3rd, 2 4th and next 4 picks.