Machado to Padres - 10 years, $300 million

[homer]

When is Mike Trout up for free agency? He's going to make a lot of money.

 

EDIT: 2021...he's going to make a lot of money. Maybe Yankees are saving up for him.

[MrTPlush]

When is Mike Trout up for free agency? He's going to make a lot of money.

 

He will get extended, but wow he will make a lot anyway.

[TURBO]

 

I'm sure plenty of turds have signed long term deals and done just fine.

 

I'm sure plenty of non-turds have done the same, which would you rather have on YOUR team?

 

That isn't the point. The point is just because someone is a turd doesn't mean they won't play well enough to earn their contract.

 

My point is, if I am going to spend that kind of money, I want to spend it on a non-turd. If I plan to spend that kind of cash, and I have a choice, I'd take the non-turd everytime.

 

EDIT: Actually, if I'm spending that kind of money, I wouldn't waste it on the turd at all, I'd just save the money and let someone else waste their cash on the turd...

[homer]

 

That isn't the point. The point is just because someone is a turd doesn't mean they won't play well enough to earn their contract.

 

My point is, if I am going to spend that kind of money, I want to spend it on a non-turd. If I plan to spend that kind of cash, and I have a choice, I'd take the non-turd everytime.

 

EDIT: Actually, if I'm spending that kind of money, I wouldn't waste it on the turd at all, I'd just save the money and let someone else waste their cash on the turd...

 

 

Yes if player A is a turd and player B is a non turd and they are equally talented I would prefer player B. But if Player A is a turd and a top 10 player and player B is David Eckstein, I would pay Player A if I had the money,

[And That]

My takeaway from this thread: the word turd.

[homer]

My takeaway from this thread: the word turd.

 

 

Turd is the word.

[And That]

My takeaway from this thread: the word turd.

Turd is the word.

High turd word ratio. Almost absurd.

[502 to Right]

"A turd is a turd whether it sinks or floats."

 

- Ron Wolf

[And That]

I'm thinking about censoring the word turd...

 

...to make the word turd blurred.

[homer]

I'm thinking about censoring the word turd...

 

...to make the word turd blurred.

 

 

That would be absurd.

 

[MrTPlush]

So almost ever censored word on here is something clearly a picture of would not be acceptable. Turd is not censored...so would a picture of...

[SRB]

Here's an interesting experiment. As linked in another thread, Fangraphs writers held a mock "franchise player" draft in June 2011 to pick player they would build teams around going forward. Granted many are older than Machado and Harper are now, but not many of these guys will have justified a hypothetical 10/$300 million contract that season, and even fewer would warrant a 3/$90 million contract over the next three years.

 

Franchise player draft (age at the start of 2012 spring training) - 2012-2018 fWAR

 

1. Evan Longoria (26 years old) - 22.1 fWAR

2. Troy Tulowitzki (27 years old) - 16.8 fWAR

3. Mike Trout (20 years old) - 64.0 fWAR

4. Ryan Zimmerman (27 years old) - 12.1 fWAR

5. Joey Votto (28 years old) - 34.4 fWAR

6. Albert Pujols (32 years old) - 6.7 fWAR

7. Carl Crawford (30 years old) - 4.6 fWAR

8. Jose Bautista (31 years old) - 20.6 fWAR

9. Miguel Cabrera (28 years old) - 29.6 fWAR

10. Ryan Braun (28 years old) - 19.1 fWAR

11. Clayton Kershaw (23 years old) - 43.7 fWAR

12. Bryce Harper (19 years old) - 30.7 fWAR

13. Hanley Ramirez (28 years old) - 12.4 fWAR

14. Jason Heyward (22 years old) - 22.7 fWAR

15. Andrew McCutchen (25 years old) - 36.3 fWAR

16. Adrian Gonzalez (29 years old) - 12.1 fWAR

17. Jay Bruce (24 years old) - 9.3 fWAR

18. Felix Hernandez (25 years old) - 22.5 fWAR

19. Matt Kemp (27 years old) - 10.1 fWAR

20. Justin Upton (24 years old) - 23.4 fWAR

[BrewFan130]

I don’t see value in signing Harper. Based on his production I think he’s worth about $200 million over 10 years and it seems crazy to me that teams think he’s worth over $300 million(based on reports that Harper has turned down multiple offers in excess of $300 mil). If the Phillies have the crazy money they’ve led everyone to believe I’d be more inclined to to wait out Mike Trout’s potential free agency. Trout is a natural fit for the Phillies. He’s not only from the area of which he loves, but he’s also a childhood Phillies fan.

[502 to Right]

Here's an interesting experiment. As linked in another thread, Fangraphs writers held a mock "franchise player" draft in June 2011 to pick player they would build teams around going forward. Granted many are older than Machado and Harper are now, but not many of these guys will have justified a hypothetical 10/$300 million contract that season, and even fewer would warrant a 3/$90 million contract over the next three years.

 

Franchise player draft (age at the start of 2012 spring training) - 2012-2018 fWAR

 

1. Evan Longoria (26 years old) - 22.1 fWAR

2. Troy Tulowitzki (27 years old) - 16.8 fWAR

3. Mike Trout (20 years old) - 64.0 fWAR

4. Ryan Zimmerman (27 years old) - 12.1 fWAR

5. Joey Votto (28 years old) - 34.4 fWAR

6. Albert Pujols (32 years old) - 6.7 fWAR

7. Carl Crawford (30 years old) - 4.6 fWAR

8. Jose Bautista (31 years old) - 20.6 fWAR

9. Miguel Cabrera (28 years old) - 29.6 fWAR

10. Ryan Braun (28 years old) - 19.1 fWAR

11. Clayton Kershaw (23 years old) - 43.7 fWAR

12. Bryce Harper (19 years old) - 30.7 fWAR

13. Hanley Ramirez (28 years old) - 12.4 fWAR

14. Jason Heyward (22 years old) - 22.7 fWAR

15. Andrew McCutchen (25 years old) - 36.3 fWAR

16. Adrian Gonzalez (29 years old) - 12.1 fWAR

17. Jay Bruce (24 years old) - 9.3 fWAR

18. Felix Hernandez (25 years old) - 22.5 fWAR

19. Matt Kemp (27 years old) - 10.1 fWAR

20. Justin Upton (24 years old) - 23.4 fWAR

 

To me that is exactly the problem with handing out ultra long contracts. It's hard enough to project 3-4 years into the future let alone 10.

[KeithStone53151]

Add another $30-40 million in costs for this contract.

 

[stalton]

Add another $30-40 million in costs for this contract.

 

 

Speaking from a point of ignorance, aren't most huge contracts insured?

[MrTPlush]

Add another $30-40 million in costs for this contract.

 

 

Speaking from a point of ignorance, aren't most huge contracts insured?

 

Yes

[3and2Fastball]

He was a class act at the press conference. Happy to play 3rd. Happy to have a mentorship role with the younger players.

 

I'll again say I wish the Brewers had stepped up & signed him! I am certain that a majority of Brewers fans wouldn't want Ty Cobb on the team because he was a dirty player & a "mean person" etc etc (if you could put 1911 Cobb in a Time Machine). I just want a World Championship!!!!

[KeithStone53151]

He was a class act at the press conference. Happy to play 3rd. Happy to have a mentorship role with the younger players.

 

I'll again say I wish the Brewers had stepped up & signed him! I am certain that a majority of Brewers fans wouldn't want Ty Cobb on the team because he was a dirty player & a "mean person" etc etc (if you could put 1911 Cobb in a Time Machine). I just want a World Championship!!!!

 

Dude must have gotten an earful from his wife and/or agent. Maybe they sat him in front of hours of Peyton Manning/Tom Brady interview responses as training for how to act when you get paid $300 million to play a game. You have nothing to gain from making Johnny Hustle comments in public.

[wntrtxn21]

Add another $30-40 million in costs for this contract.

 

 

Speaking from a point of ignorance, aren't most huge contracts insured?

 

Insured against injury, not poor performance.

[MadScientist]

Add another $30-40 million in costs for this contract.

 

 

Speaking from a point of ignorance, aren't most huge contracts insured?

 

Insured against injury, not poor performance.

 

I don't know of any insurance policies against poor performance. So they are covered if he becomes Prince Fielder, but not if he becomes Pujolis. Somehow I thing the Padres are going to be on the hook for all of the contract because after the new CBA, the rule changes may make it less desirable for him to opt out.

[adambr2]

You can insure anything for whatever you want. You could insure a contract that pays out X percentage if the player declines at Y age to certain performance barriers. You would just need to find an insurance company that would sign the policy.

 

But yeah, most likely his contract is just insured for injury. And many big contracts are, but many are not.

[MrTPlush]

You can insure anything for whatever you want. You could insure a contract that pays out X percentage if the player declines at Y age to certain performance barriers. You would just need to find an insurance company that would sign the policy.

 

But yeah, most likely his contract is just insured for injury. And many big contracts are, but many are not.

 

The insurance policy would be so ridiculously high for something like that you would cripple your franchise if said player didn’t decline. It is already $40mil for a policy if he gets injured and is proven he can never play again. How often do you see that, almost never. It would likely cost over $10mil a year for a policy that covers some type of decline.

[502 to Right]

This guy will be fat and lazy by year 5, a la Miguel Cabrera. Padres just got fleeced.

[sveumrules]

From ages 26-35 (the ages Machado will be for this contract) fat, lazy Miguel Cabrera produced 48.5 WAR.