Jimmy Nelson update from On Deck

[BrewCrewForever]

Bought tickets immediately after hearing he's returning Wednesday (his b-day) cant wait to see him pitch again

 

Same, I emailed my ticket rep right away and said I needed four for Wednesday. Bringing the family. Going to be an electric atmosphere. I'm sure we will be feeling the adrenaline as much as Jimmy will.

[The stache]

Well, tonight's loss aside, I, for one, am just happy to see Big Sweat back on the mound for us. There's going to be some rust-no matter how many rehab starts he makes, nothing will fully prepare a guy for Major League batters after a nearly two year layoff. He just needs to keep going back out there, building his stamina, and finding his breaking pitches. From what I read in the game thread, his velocity seemed fine, but there wasn't a lot of movement. I have to think that will come in time.

[Brew crew 92]

Well, tonight's loss aside, I, for one, am just happy to see Big Sweat back on the mound for us. There's going to be some rust-no matter how many rehab starts he makes, nothing will fully prepare a guy for Major League batters after a nearly two year layoff. He just needs to keep going back out there, building his stamina, and finding his breaking pitches. From what I read in the game thread, his velocity seemed fine, but there wasn't a lot of movement. I have to think that will come in time.

 

He couldn’t get his breaking ball over, he had no command at all of any of his pitches. But the potential is there for him to excel. In fact I’m betting on it, just leave him be, by the all star game he’ll be another one of our stoppers.

[The stache]

Well, tonight's loss aside, I, for one, am just happy to see Big Sweat back on the mound for us. There's going to be some rust-no matter how many rehab starts he makes, nothing will fully prepare a guy for Major League batters after a nearly two year layoff. He just needs to keep going back out there, building his stamina, and finding his breaking pitches. From what I read in the game thread, his velocity seemed fine, but there wasn't a lot of movement. I have to think that will come in time.

 

He couldn’t get his breaking ball over, he had no command at all of any of his pitches. But the potential is there for him to excel. In fact I’m betting on it, just leave him be, by the all star game he’ll be another one of our stoppers.

 

Agreed.

 

So long as Jimmy's not experiencing any kind of pain, or unusual soreness, I'm not the slightest bit concerned. He's played at a very high level against the best players in the world. We know what he's capable of. It's simply a matter of finding his groove again.

 

I watched a clip earlier today of the slight adjustment Christian Yelich made in his approach at the plate. He closed his stance ever so slightly right after last year's All Star Game, standing taller in the box (as he'd done in high school), and since then, he's just taken off. This is true for both hitters and pitchers. There are so many moving parts in a pitcher's delivery. It could simply be a matter of his balance as he drives towards the plate off the rubber, how tightly he's gripping the ball, or his arm slot angle. He's going to work through it, and find the answer.

[Eye Black]

For those interested here is Jimmy Nelson's velocity data from last night's outing...

 

Brooks Baseball Player Card: Jimmy Nelson

 

Looks like his fastball was an average of about 2 mph slower than where he left off while his sinker was 1.5 mph slower, and his slider and curve were both about 3 mph less. Obviously it is way too early to make any definitive assertions, but something worth tracking has he continues down the comeback trail.

[Jopal78]

More telling about those numbers is pitch selection. He threw more four seam fastballs than was usually the case before hurting his shoulder.

[DHonks]

More telling about those numbers is pitch selection. He threw more four seam fastballs than was usually the case before hurting his shoulder.

 

yes, but all of MLB is doing that as well.

[HiAndTight]

For those interested here is Jimmy Nelson's velocity data from last night's outing...

 

Brooks Baseball Player Card: Jimmy Nelson

 

Looks like his fastball was an average of about 2 mph slower than where he left off while his sinker was 1.5 mph slower, and his slider and curve were both about 3 mph less. Obviously it is way too early to make any definitive assertions, but something worth tracking has he continues down the comeback trail.

 

 

It was just one start so you obviously can't read too much into it, but looked much-much different. Just didn't get the fastball movement, he wasn't getting that run...I have to admit, I was hopeful, but this was a little discouraging.

[Brew crew 92]

For those interested here is Jimmy Nelson's velocity data from last night's outing...

 

Brooks Baseball Player Card: Jimmy Nelson

 

Looks like his fastball was an average of about 2 mph slower than where he left off while his sinker was 1.5 mph slower, and his slider and curve were both about 3 mph less. Obviously it is way too early to make any definitive assertions, but something worth tracking has he continues down the comeback trail.

 

 

It was just one start so you obviously can't read too much into it, but looked much-much different. Just didn't get the fastball movement, he wasn't getting that run...I have to admit, I was hopeful, but this was a little discouraging.

 

Wild with his breaking pitches all night. I want to see him when he has a little more command of the curve and slider. Hoping that’s his next start.

[HiAndTight]

Wild with his breaking pitches all night. I want to see him when he has a little more command of the curve and slider. Hoping that’s his next start.

 

 

I'm not talking about him being wild with his breaking stuff, I'm talking about just the way the pitches moved. Hist fastball used to have that late movement...I just didn't know what they meant by his fastball has different movement and it's affecting his breaking stuff when I heard it. It was hard not to see the difference from watching it.

 

This could go down as one of the saddest-non career-ending injuries I've seen. The guy was on the precipice of becoming a perennial all-star, an ace, the first we'd developed since Sheets and he gets hurt sliding back into first...and it's right when the one thing the Brewers are lacking in their window to compete is a big ace who can throw 200 IP a season and start the big games.

 

 

Sure hoping he can continue to strengthen that shoulder and keep getting better.

[DHonks]

Wild with his breaking pitches all night. I want to see him when he has a little more command of the curve and slider. Hoping that’s his next start.

 

 

I'm not talking about him being wild with his breaking stuff, I'm talking about just the way the pitches moved. Hist fastball used to have that late movement...I just didn't know what they meant by his fastball has different movement and it's affecting his breaking stuff when I heard it. It was hard not to see the difference from watching it.

 

This could go down as one of the saddest-non career-ending injuries I've seen. The guy was on the precipice of becoming a perennial all-star, an ace, the first we'd developed since Sheets and he gets hurt sliding back into first...and it's right when the one thing the Brewers are lacking in their window to compete is a big ace who can throw 200 IP a season and start the big games.

 

 

Sure hoping he can continue to strengthen that shoulder and keep getting better.

 

While I agree with much of what you said, Jimmy has come back far stronger than I anticipated. Shoulder injuries are often career ending and have robbed some of the greatest pitchers of the last 20 years of further excellence. Pedro Martinez, Ramon Martinez, Alex Fernandez, Mark Mulder, Mark Prior, and many others. I thought his stuff was very encouraging, although I have concerns about stamina and if his old mentality will thrive with his new arsenal

[Brew crew 92]

More than a little curious to the brewers decision to start Peralta tonight instead of Nelson. With Jimmy not scheduled to start until Saturday, that will make 10 days between starts, not the best way to improve command imo. It’s almost like their setting him up to fail as a starter because they’ve already decided to put him in the pen at some point moving forward.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

More than a little curious to the brewers decision to start Peralta tonight instead of Nelson. With Jimmy not scheduled to start until Saturday, that will make 10 days between starts, not the best way to improve command imo. It’s almost like their setting him up to fail as a starter because they’ve already decided to put him in the pen at some point moving forward.

 

Or they just like how he matches up with a crappy Giants batting order when compared to the hot-hitting Astros in his second game of MLB action in 18 months. I think you may be reading a bit much into the situation.

[tmwiese55]

Or just that they simply think in his situation that extra rest is a good thing. He's also from Houston and has the new babies so he might be a bit preoccupied while he's home.

[MrTPlush]

1B, Shaw/Hiura, Peralta/Nelson etc....I think they have a lot of tough decisions and I think they want another Peralta start after he pitched a good one vs. giving it to the guy who was pretty bad. Not a good sign for Nelson that he was the guy bumped farther into the schedule. Tells you Peralta is in the lead to keep that spot over Nelson unless Nelson can show something while Peralta doesn't. I wouldn't calling it setting him up to fail. He doesn't exactly deserve to be given every chance to succeed...he just doesn't. Nelson is basically an old intriguing prospect now...he isn't the old Nelson, he is a new man. One that is a FA after next year and not exactly cheap (though not expensive). Peralta is a young kid with an intriguing arm...far more interesting and what the Brewers would prefer to succeed.

 

It is a really bad situation for Nelson to come back to. The Brewers can't just let him start every 5 day whether the results are good or not. Nelson really needs to be on a garbage team that can give him 30 starts of 5.50 ERA ball and not blink an eye. But thus he isn't and his opportunity may not be the greatest.

 

We will see how much of a leash Nelson gets and how they go about him starting.

[Brew crew 92]

More than a little curious to the brewers decision to start Peralta tonight instead of Nelson. With Jimmy not scheduled to start until Saturday, that will make 10 days between starts, not the best way to improve command imo. It’s almost like their setting him up to fail as a starter because they’ve already decided to put him in the pen at some point moving forward.

 

Or they just like how he matches up with a crappy Giants batting order when compared to the hot-hitting Astros in his second game of MLB action in 18 months. I think you may be reading a bit much into the situation.

 

Astros lineup littered with AAA bats because of injuries, so their lineup isn’t exactly scary good.

[xisxisxis]

Astros lineup littered with AAA bats because of injuries, so their lineup isn’t exactly scary good.

I believe you were the poster who claimed (in a post in the record/playoff thread) that the teams behind the Brewers in the standings have deep farm systems and can add talent to address injuries/needs. Here you post the Astros are littered with "AAA bats". I know you've posted in the past that many at Brewerfan talk out of both sides of their mouths, yet this seams to me like talking out of both sides of your mouth. Can you clarify how the Astros AAA additions are different than other teams farm system depth?

[sveumrules]

Other side of shoulder, yes. Its still his shoulder. Turning 30 in June, and hasnt pitched since 2017. Yea, sorry, Im not optimistic. Some of you are acting like its a given he will be back and pitch well. Nelson is optimistic as well, but he should be. Only way you can deal with rehab. We'll find out soon enough.

 

Nelson past the rehab stage when he said he throwing better than ever.

I have no reason not to believe him.

 

Do you have reason not to believe him now?

[bigredrobbo]

More than a little curious to the brewers decision to start Peralta tonight instead of Nelson. With Jimmy not scheduled to start until Saturday, that will make 10 days between starts, not the best way to improve command imo. It’s almost like their setting him up to fail as a starter because they’ve already decided to put him in the pen at some point moving forward.

 

Or they just like how he matches up with a crappy Giants batting order when compared to the hot-hitting Astros in his second game of MLB action in 18 months. I think you may be reading a bit much into the situation.

 

Astros lineup littered with AAA bats because of injuries, so their lineup isn’t exactly scary good.

 

Seems pretty scary to me, and if Verlander pitches like he can, they might not need many runs!

 

I wonder if the Crawford box short left field had anything to do with the decision. Either way - Go Brewers, back in #1 in the Central!

[Brew crew 92]

Astros lineup littered with AAA bats because of injuries, so their lineup isn’t exactly scary good.

I believe you were the poster who claimed (in a post in the record/playoff thread) that the teams behind the Brewers in the standings have deep farm systems and can add talent to address injuries/needs. Here you post the Astros are littered with "AAA bats". I know you've posted in the past that many at Brewerfan talk out of both sides of their mouths, yet this seams to me like talking out of both sides of your mouth. Can you clarify how the Astros AAA additions are different than other teams farm system depth?

 

Springer, Correa, Altuve injured and not in lineup, 3 AAA players are. Not exactly the real powerhouse Astro lineup that Nelson would be facing > was my point. Your post confusing.

[Brew crew 92]

Other side of shoulder, yes. Its still his shoulder. Turning 30 in June, and hasnt pitched since 2017. Yea, sorry, Im not optimistic. Some of you are acting like its a given he will be back and pitch well. Nelson is optimistic as well, but he should be. Only way you can deal with rehab. We'll find out soon enough.

 

Nelson past the rehab stage when he said he throwing better than ever.

I have no reason not to believe him.

 

Do you have reason not to believe him now?

 

More than I did before, so yes. But let’s see what happens moving forward and see if jimmy was right after all.

[tmwiese55]

Him saying that is no different than every player every spring training saying they're in the best shape of their life. What's the guy gonna say, "I'm not nearly as good as I was and I feel like I'm off my game and will need two months to get into the groove". cmon. It's just media speak fluff that they all say

[brooks_quichenick]

Idk when those AAA players include Yordan Alvarez it’s still an intimidating lineup

[FVBrewerFan]

He'a already been proven wrong, he said he would be the opening day starter. As TMW said, that's fine, as the player you need to be confident. That doesn't mean as fans we need to believe everything they say.

 

Another example is 92's favorite player Taylor Williams. Remember when Braun as glowing about how great his stuff was and he was going to be special? Yea, athlete/coach.GM speak needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

[82brewcrew82]

Do you have reason not to believe him now?

 

More than I did before, so yes. But let’s see what happens moving forward and see if jimmy was right after all.

But this is what you do, right? You make some over the top point and state it as a fact like you've come up with something novel. Then proceed to make 50 posts in 18 threads about it. Pfft to those who don't see it because you have it figured out. Then slowly but surely you back track on said point until you become an easy target for others.

 

You are passionate and you do make some solid points at times but its hard for anyone to take you seriously when you do the above and if you continue to do the above you are going to continue to get called on it.