How much money do the Brewers have left to spend?

[KeithStone53151]

I don't think Stearns is looking at Gonzalez or Pollack. Gonzalez is a .247/.323 hitter with some pop, but not worth anything near the $10-12M he is reportedly asking for. Villar was a better hitter and they let him go.

 

Villar career | 256/325/394 (93 OPS+) 2,288 PAs

Marwin career | 264/319/418 (103 OPS+) 2,706 PAs

 

If you narrow it down to just the last two years the difference is more stark...

 

Villar 2017-18 | 251/310/379 (83 OPS+) 951 PAs

Marwin 2017-18 | 279/349/467 (124 OPS+) 1,067 PAs

 

Right, and factor in Marwin positional flexibility, I can understand why his asking price is so high. Positional flexibility is so important. If Perez could only play say SS and 2b, he wouldn't be a major league player. Being able to play 7 spots solidly and be the emergency catcher is the primary reason he's on an mlb roster right now.

[3and2Fastball]

The Brewers could sign both Machado & Harper, but Mark might lose money and his family legacy would only be $900 million instead of a Billion dollars. Let's not kid ourselves. Therefore, there really is no way to know much the Brewers have left to spend. As fans all we can do is hope for the best...

[Brew crew 92]

Dug this up to give my 2 cents. Forbes est. revenues at 250 mil. in 2017 which is latest they had. No est on total expenditures other than

Payroll. Used figure of 96$ per fan. Last year brewers drew 300,000

More fans = xtra 27 mil. In revenue. Conservatively add 15 mil. In

Playoff revenue = xtra 42 mil. In revenue.

Brewers this year way ahead in ticket sales,heard double digit %. If

10% = 285,000 more fans =25 mil. Xtra revenue not incl playoffs.

So my GUESS: Brewers could conservatively do payroll of 160 mil.

And not lose $.

[BrewFan130]

It’s my understanding that the MLB gets 50%+ of the ticket revenue for postseason games and that money goes towards post season player’s shares

[Warning Track Power]

It’s my understanding that the MLB gets 50%+ of the ticket revenue for postseason games and that money goes towards post season player’s shares

Dude you stole my avatar!

[Brew crew 92]

It’s my understanding that the MLB gets 50%+ of the ticket revenue for postseason games and that money goes towards post season player’s shares

 

Think it more like 20%. Players 40%. Teams split 40%

My figure’s: 50 mil for the 10 games =10 mil+teams keep parking and

Concession $=15 mil

[MrTPlush]

Last I checked the Brewers don’t run their parking and don’t get those profits.

[sveumrules]

Here is the most detailed info I could find about postseason revenue splits with a quick search. Interesting that the players only receive a split from the guaranteed games (1-3 in DS, 1-4 in CS, WS) & receive nothing from the if neccesary games...

 

The players' pool is formed from 50 percent of the gate receipts from the Wild Card Games; 60 percent of the gate receipts from the first three games of the Division Series; 60 percent of the gate receipts from the first four games of the League Championship Series; and 60 percent of the gate receipts from the first four games of the World Series. The players' pool was divided among the 10 Postseason Clubs: the two World Series participants, the two League Championship Series runners-up, the four Division Series runners-up and the two runners-up in the Wild Card Games. The 2017 players' pool was a record total of $84,500,432.15, eclipsing last year's $76,627,827.09.

[KeithStone53151]

Last I checked the Brewers don’t run their parking and don’t get those profits.

 

Is this true? That seems crazy to me. I mean, they sell the parking on their website and through SSH packages...why would they waste resources doing that if they didn't get a cut? They probably also own the land. I imagine some 3rd party probably runs the operation, and the Brewers get x%.

[KeithStone53151]

As for payroll. I think the Brewers could bump to $150 million without losing money, assuming they at least make the DS. Payroll taxes and benefits increase as payroll dollars increase as well, so it's not as simple as looking at salary only.

[MrTPlush]

Last I checked the Brewers don’t run their parking and don’t get those profits.

 

Is this true? That seems crazy to me. I mean, they sell the parking on their website and through SSH packages...why would they waste resources doing that if they didn't get a cut? They probably also own the land. I imagine some 3rd party probably runs the operation, and the Brewers get x%.

 

I am sure they get a cut, but I think most of it is going to someone else. It came up at some point I am not sure why...but it did. I think it had to do with parking at an unplanned game or event that was a disaster and it was mentioned the Brewers don't really control parking.

[tmwiese55]

Probably for Ed Sheeran which was a complete mess. But just because they've contracted the work out to someone doesn't mean they don't get a huge chunk of the money, it's just they don't actually handle the operations. And of course they have to pay the company who does it. Basically, it's not like say the city owns it and they take the profit. Well, I'd be very surprised if that was the case but I can't say I 'know' it.

[Roderick]

Last I checked the Brewers don’t run their parking and don’t get those profits.

 

Is this true? That seems crazy to me. I mean, they sell the parking on their website and through SSH packages...why would they waste resources doing that if they didn't get a cut? They probably also own the land. I imagine some 3rd party probably runs the operation, and the Brewers get x%.

 

I am sure they get a cut, but I think most of it is going to someone else. It came up at some point I am not sure why...but it did. I think it had to do with parking at an unplanned game or event that was a disaster and it was mentioned the Brewers don't really control parking.

 

 

The team also receives all revenue from parking, special events, party suites, conference center bookings, photo rentals, guided tours and sponsorships. Miller Park is big business.

 

2015 article

https://www.milwaukeemag.com/insidethemillerparktax/

[MrTPlush]

The team also receives all revenue from parking, special events, party suites, conference center bookings, photo rentals, guided tours and sponsorships. Miller Park is big business.

 

2015 article

https://www.milwaukeemag.com/insidethemillerparktax/

 

Then clearly someone told wrong.

[tmwiese55]

The team also receives all revenue from parking, special events, party suites, conference center bookings, photo rentals, guided tours and sponsorships. Miller Park is big business.

 

2015 article

https://www.milwaukeemag.com/insidethemillerparktax/

 

Then clearly someone told wrong.

 

I'm guessing here of course, but I vaguely remember the Sheeran show talk on here and I feel like someone defended the Brewers by saying it's not really their fault because X company handles it all. For example, UW events it's a company called Per Mar, or it was years ago at least. They would still own it and get the money, they just contract it out to a specific company rather than deal with the staffing, payroll, management etc of doing it themselves. Spitballing here that's what you're remembering.

 

That said, I guess you can still blame the team for hiring a bad company. But really crap happens, just have to fix the issues they learned on a day like that

[Paul77]

Last I checked the Brewers don’t run their parking and don’t get those profits.

 

Is this true? That seems crazy to me. I mean, they sell the parking on their website and through SSH packages...why would they waste resources doing that if they didn't get a cut? They probably also own the land. I imagine some 3rd party probably runs the operation, and the Brewers get x%.

 

I am sure they get a cut, but I think most of it is going to someone else. It came up at some point I am not sure why...but it did. I think it had to do with parking at an unplanned game or event that was a disaster and it was mentioned the Brewers don't really control parking.

 

 

Imperial Parking (ImPark) still manages the lots at Miller Park. They paid the Brewers $3mm at the outset of their partnership (over a decade ago, BTW) to manage the parking lots for any/every event at Miller Park. They also pay the Brewers a licensing fee annually based on revenue. Revenue generated from that fee counts towards the Brewers "local baseball revenue" for auditing and valuation purposes. This is probably why sometimes you'll hear people say the Brewers don't make any money on the lots, while others say they do. Both are kind of correct.

 

Managing a temporary (and part-time) workforce is incredibly hard. And the risk to the fan experience (and future dollars) is significant. In theory, hiring specialists or niche service providers (in favor of using in-house resources) should improve those fan experiences and protect those future dollars.

 

It's the same reason the Brewers employee companies like Performance Clean and Delaware North - who manage the operations of the cleaning crews, the concessions (and, until this season, the team shops), respectively.

[Brew crew 92]

Ok, here we are with 2 weeks to go till opening day with Nelson and even more importantly Jeffress missing from the opening day roster.

What’s our current payroll, 127 mil? How much would a World Series title benefit the brewers financially? 50? 100 million? The royals of 2016 had a payroll of 142 mil. Our revenues put us OVER 300 mil. That’s getting close to a mid-market team like the cardinals. We have the $ to invest in more payroll especially since most of it is short term. How much more? That’s up to mark A. Isnt it? I will say the following: we are as close to a World Series team as I can remember, and I’ve been a rabid fan for 49 years, so while Bob Uecker is still broadcasting our games, I am of the opinion we should forgo profit this year and invest in Kimbrel to fix our Jeffress weakness. Kimbrel is sitting there waiting to be had. The value would be there, he’s not getting 5 6 years. Since the value is so down on him right now I’d like to Sign him for 3 years at what 15-18 per year. Still less than 150 million payroll. Hopefully get Jeffress back and Nelson join the rotation and we’d have to be the favorites to at least win the pennant. Fan base also be even more energized leading to an awful lotta sellouts at Miller park. It’s worth the investment.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Ok, here we are with 2 weeks to go till opening day with Nelson and even more importantly Jeffress missing from the opening day roster.

What’s our current payroll, 127 mil? How much would a World Series title benefit the brewers financially? 50? 100 million? The royals of 2016 had a payroll of 142 mil. Our revenues put us OVER 300 mil. That’s getting close to a mid-market team like the cardinals. We have the $ to invest in more payroll especially since most of it is short term. How much more? That’s up to mark A. Isnt it? I will say the following: we are as close to a World Series team as I can remember, and I’ve been a rabid fan for 49 years, so while Bob Uecker is still broadcasting our games, I am of the opinion we should forgo profit this year and invest in Kimbrel to fix our Jeffress weakness. Kimbrel is sitting there waiting to be had. The value would be there, he’s not getting 5 6 years. Since the value is so down on him right now I’d like to Sign him for 3 years at what 15-18 per year. Still less than 150 million payroll. Hopefully get Jeffress back and Nelson join the rotation and we’d have to be the favorites to at least win the pennant. Fan base also be even more energized leading to an awful lotta sellouts at Miller park. It’s worth the investment.

 

I don't disagree with the idea behind a value Kimbrel signing, but to base it on Jeffress's health would be a mistake I think. If they sign Kimbrel, it would be to strengthen what is already a big strength, not to replace a guy that, as of right now at least, looks like he may miss the first week or so of the season. Reactionary signings are rarely a good idea. But if they determine Kimbrel is a good enough value, and he fits into what they want to do, then sure, why not?

[Brew crew 92]

Ok, here we are with 2 weeks to go till opening day with Nelson and even more importantly Jeffress missing from the opening day roster.

What’s our current payroll, 127 mil? How much would a World Series title benefit the brewers financially? 50? 100 million? The royals of 2016 had a payroll of 142 mil. Our revenues put us OVER 300 mil. That’s getting close to a mid-market team like the cardinals. We have the $ to invest in more payroll especially since most of it is short term. How much more? That’s up to mark A. Isnt it? I will say the following: we are as close to a World Series team as I can remember, and I’ve been a rabid fan for 49 years, so while Bob Uecker is still broadcasting our games, I am of the opinion we should forgo profit this year and invest in Kimbrel to fix our Jeffress weakness. Kimbrel is sitting there waiting to be had. The value would be there, he’s not getting 5 6 years. Since the value is so down on him right now I’d like to Sign him for 3 years at what 15-18 per year. Still less than 150 million payroll. Hopefully get Jeffress back and Nelson join the rotation and we’d have to be the favorites to at least win the pennant. Fan base also be even more energized leading to an awful lotta sellouts at Miller park. It’s worth the investment.

 

I don't disagree with the idea behind a value Kimbrel signing, but to base it on Jeffress's health would be a mistake I think. If they sign Kimbrel, it would be to strengthen what is already a big strength, not to replace a guy that, as of right now at least, looks like he may miss the first week or so of the season. Reactionary signings are rarely a good idea. But if they determine Kimbrel is a good enough value, and he fits into what they want to do, then sure, why not?

 

Ok then, 4 headed monster would give us a better opportunity to win it all, especially against one of the American League super teams. Also anything we can do to limit having to make a trade deadline extortion trade would be fantastic in my opinion .

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I'd love to see the team improved even more myself. That could come at the trade deadline though. Today's perceived needs could be polar opposite those that are apparent 4 months from now. Two things to consider with Kimbrel in general - 1) Have his salary demands come down? The Brewers aren't giving him 6 years, $100 million. 2) Do the Brewers like his trajectory? He showed some chinks in the armor last year. Stearns and Co. might not even like the analytics on him.

 

Btw, every fanbase is having this same discussion about Kimbrel.

[Brew crew 92]

I'd love to see the team improved even more myself. That could come at the trade deadline though. Today's perceived needs could be polar opposite those that are apparent 4 months from now. Two things to consider with Kimbrel in general - 1) Have his salary demands come down? The Brewers aren't giving him 6 years, $100 million. 2) Do the Brewers like his trajectory? He showed some chinks in the armor last year. Stearns and Co. might not even like the analytics on him.

 

Btw, every fanbase is having this same discussion about Kimbrel.

 

I hear ya, he’s still elite even with late season slight loss of command. 98 mph FB devastating CB. Guessing demands reduced cause of lack of offers. Some have speculated he’d sign high pillow deal or high aav 2 year. I’d go 3 for 56. We have the money. Worried bout the extortion that’s going to take place at the trade deadline in NL. If we don’t sign him hope it’s because of our analytics and not $.

[wntrtxn21]

Ok, here we are with 2 weeks to go till opening day with Nelson and even more importantly Jeffress missing from the opening day roster.

What’s our current payroll, 127 mil? How much would a World Series title benefit the brewers financially? 50? 100 million? The royals of 2016 had a payroll of 142 mil. Our revenues put us OVER 300 mil. That’s getting close to a mid-market team like the cardinals. We have the $ to invest in more payroll especially since most of it is short term. How much more? That’s up to mark A. Isnt it? I will say the following: we are as close to a World Series team as I can remember, and I’ve been a rabid fan for 49 years, so while Bob Uecker is still broadcasting our games, I am of the opinion we should forgo profit this year and invest in Kimbrel to fix our Jeffress weakness. Kimbrel is sitting there waiting to be had. The value would be there, he’s not getting 5 6 years. Since the value is so down on him right now I’d like to Sign him for 3 years at what 15-18 per year. Still less than 150 million payroll. Hopefully get Jeffress back and Nelson join the rotation and we’d have to be the favorites to at least win the pennant. Fan base also be even more energized leading to an awful lotta sellouts at Miller park. It’s worth the investment.

 

The Royals were way over there budget in 2016 and had to reduce payroll immediately after the W.S... They had to gut the team because they couldn't afford to pay the FAs. Now they are looking like a 100 loss team only two years later. The latest on Kimbrel is he's still looking for at least 5 years and $100M. He reportedly turned down a 3 year offer at least twice already. I don't know what his value is right now, but he is not getting deluged with offers.

[Ennder]

The Royals also got insanely lucky to win that World Series, that is one of the worst World Series teams to win in the past 50 years.

 

Also talking about parking you have to realize that like half the fans in the stadium park on the street and walk to the game. I remember going to a playoff game one season where the parking lot was half empty because they jacked up the prices and cheap wisconsinites including myself refused to pay. That isn't the revenue stream it could be somewhere else~.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I'd love to see the team improved even more myself. That could come at the trade deadline though. Today's perceived needs could be polar opposite those that are apparent 4 months from now. Two things to consider with Kimbrel in general - 1) Have his salary demands come down? The Brewers aren't giving him 6 years, $100 million. 2) Do the Brewers like his trajectory? He showed some chinks in the armor last year. Stearns and Co. might not even like the analytics on him.

 

Btw, every fanbase is having this same discussion about Kimbrel.

 

I hear ya, he’s still elite even with late season slight loss of command. 98 mph FB devastating CB. Guessing demands reduced cause of lack of offers. Some have speculated he’d sign high pillow deal or high aav 2 year. I’d go 3 for 56. We have the money. Worried bout the extortion that’s going to take place at the trade deadline in NL. If we don’t sign him hope it’s because of our analytics and not $.

 

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Brewers jump in should Kimbrel shift to a short deal. And I'd be excited to add him for sure. I'd love to be privy to the data the Brewers are looking at but I'm not. Thus I can't scream and yell either way, whether they sign him or not. What gives me the most comfort is knowing they'll add without hesitation when and if they need to.

[MrTPlush]

A small market is not going to spend $15mil+ on a reliever when their bullpen is already a strength. That is some luxury the biggest markets on the planet can do if they want. Small markets simply don't spend big money on the bullpen and for good reason. If we won't spend $5mil to get a veteran lefty we surely aren't spending three times that for three times as long for a reliever.

 

I am not really against the idea persay (I am a big proponent of super pens, much like what we got to employ last season), but the odds the Brewers sign Kimbrel seems to be in the negatives.