Trade for Antonio Brown?

[OnTheBlack]

I am still absolutely IRATE that we didn't force the Mack deal. If we had Mack we would have been playing in that playoff game, not the Bears.

 

I do wonder if that'll end up being the Bears Reggie White move. They have a talented young QB at the same time....Mack is probably as valuable as Reggie was when we acquired him as he has to be at least 2-3 years younger than Reggie was.

 

That one really stung. Amazing how great Akeem Hicks was this year, and Roquan Smith and how Kyle Fuller busted out and had 7 picks and on and on. Reggie did that for that Packers defense. They had some big names, but they only had one other true Pro Bowl caliber player in Butler. Sean Jones and Santana were both older and not in their primes, but with Reggie on that line they couldn't double everyone. I feel like that's the type of impact Mack could have had for us here.

 

No WR'er could do that for the Packers...but Brown would also create a pretty significant ripple offensively. Teams have to roll coverage to him...it you have a guy like Xavier Rhodes, he can only cover one guy, Adams benefits greatly as do your other skill players.

[homer]

I am still absolutely IRATE that we didn't force the Mack deal. If we had Mack we would have been playing in that playoff game, not the Bears.

 

 

I believe we basically offered the same thing as the Bears. Raiders thought their draft picks would be better.....they chose poorly.

[Point Beer Is Best]

I am still absolutely IRATE that we didn't force the Mack deal. If we had Mack we would have been playing in that playoff game, not the Bears.

 

 

I believe we basically offered the same thing as the Bears. Raiders thought their draft picks would be better.....they chose poorly.

 

Funny thing is that when the Cowboys traded for Cooper, they were currently sitting at the 10th overall draft pick before they went on their run to win the division. That draft pick ended up falling all the way to #27.

[CheezWizHed]

I wonder if Moore would actually make a decent slot guy. His cone and shuttle speeds were excellent but Pro Day 40 yd dash was just OK.

 

 

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't like Moore at all. He just does not have good hands. He catches almost everything with his body. It looks like they hit on Scantling and St. Brown though.

 

Its quite possible they miss on him (not a shock to miss on a 4th round WR). But I see a LOT of similarities with Adams. I was ready to cut Adams after his second year because he couldn't catch anything. Doesn't many anything for Moore, but ...

[GAME05]

Raiders also had a similar offer for Mack from the 49ers.

[OnTheBlack]

I wonder if Moore would actually make a decent slot guy. His cone and shuttle speeds were excellent but Pro Day 40 yd dash was just OK.

 

 

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't like Moore at all. He just does not have good hands. He catches almost everything with his body. It looks like they hit on Scantling and St. Brown though.

 

Its quite possible they miss on him (not a shock to miss on a 4th round WR). But I see a LOT of similarities with Adams. I was ready to cut Adams after his second year because he couldn't catch anything. Doesn't many anything for Moore, but ...

 

 

You're absolutely right. And people forget before Adams, there was Jones who seemingly dropped a dozen easy long TD's in that SB season(in reality it was only a couple, but they were huge drops) and Nelson also had issues with drops. Even in the 2010 Super Bowl he had some drops on plays where he got wide open over the Middle. He obviously made up for it having a huge game, but he could have had a 200 yard game without the drops. Obviously both players AND Adams had more drops than just the ones that stick out. The only difference I can see is that at least with them, they caught the ball with their hands.

 

I also have only seen a little bit of Moore and knew nothing about him coming out other than what I saw written, so maybe he adjusts and gets better, or maybe he's not just a body catcher like I say this year. I certainly hope that's the case. Missing on 4th rounders isn't going to cripple a franchise, but you do need to get contributors there. Our last two are Moore and Biegal who incidentally is playing in the NFCCG right now, but looked bad here.

[OnTheBlack]

I am still absolutely IRATE that we didn't force the Mack deal. If we had Mack we would have been playing in that playoff game, not the Bears.

 

 

I believe we basically offered the same thing as the Bears. Raiders thought their draft picks would be better.....they chose poorly.

 

Did they though? I think everyone would have picked the Bears draft picks over ours heading into the season. People were still talking about us as a legit SB contender and Rodgers bouncing back and winning the MVP.

 

And I do believe if you throw Mack into the mix the Packers woulda been a playoff team.

 

Where they choose poorly(if it was even a decision as the rumors are the Davis family simply didn't have the cash to pay for his signing bonus up front) was legging a transcendent player like Mack go in the first place. QB's, edge rushers, LT's and DB's are the positions where if you get a great player, you don't let him go. If you get a HOF player, you REALLY don't let him go. Gruden seems completely lost in Oakland. The worst decision Oakland made was hiring him in the first place. I like him as a commentator(in smaller doses at least) but he's bad as a HC and then they compounding that mistake by letting go the guy who turned the Raiders around in the first place in Reggie and handing over all decision making to Gruden. That team's going back to being a joke for the next 4-5 years. Especially if they now dump Carr because Gruden falls in and out of love with QB's like a middle school girl.

[homer]

I'm saying in retrospect they chose poorly...because Raiders. Obviously, at the time it looked like GB would be the better team.

[OnTheBlack]

I'm saying in retrospect they chose poorly...because Raiders. Obviously, at the time it looked like GB would be the better team.

 

 

I know what you're saying, I'm just thinking that the Mack trade was so big that had they traded him to the Packers, the draft slots may have been reversed.

 

I do hate that the Raiders are being SO incredibly stupid right now as they've kinda been my AFC team. I'm sure that's the same for a lot of people my age, but growing up that was Bo's team...even if it was before I really watched him.

 

Anyway, at least they're not my main team because it's gonna be rough to be a Raiders fan for a long time now.

[PeaveyFury]

Mini-bump, as the Steelers are going to be trading Brown for sure and have put some parameters out there for a Brown trade- preferred to the NFC, etc.

 

I'm torn, honestly. I think this is the type of move that could really improve the offense, but the cost is obviously what matters. Not sure what I'd be willing to give up.... #30 is probably what Pittsburgh would ask for. Wonder if you could do 30 for Brown and their 3rd (#83)?

[homer]

Hmmmm....trading #30 might work for me. I certainly wouldn't give up more than that though and would prefer the 2nd round pick.

[OldHeidelberg]

Hmmmm....trading #30 might work for me. I certainly wouldn't give up more than that though and would prefer the 2nd round pick.

 

His salary concerns me as it would hamstring them in free agency but they probably need to get their pass rusher at #12 anyway. I think I would learn to like it if they pulled the trigger on Brown, too many years of TT really makes me pine for an all in season. Cross your fingers that Bulaga can stay healthy and sign a decent guard in FA and we can have a 2011 offense again.

[PeaveyFury]

Unless I'm reading the contract structure wrong (which is very possible), I don't think the cap impact for the Packers would be all that bad- they'd assume his $12.6m base, but the Steelers have to absorb his bonuses. Depending on the timing, the acquiring team may or may not be on the hook for his $2.5 mil roster bonus.

 

Considering that the Packers have a LOT of cap space this year, I don't think a $12.5-15 million hit would be prohibitive at all.

[OldHeidelberg]

I guess I was reading the Steelers cap hit of $22 million. For $12 million and the #30 pick I think the Packers should be all over that, he is very productive player.

[nate82]

The Packers are going to have to give up more than the #30 pick to get Brown. The Cardinals are also looking to get Brown and they can probably offer the Steelers more.

 

A more realistic trade is the #30 pick this year and the Packers 1st round pick next year. That puts the Packers ahead of the Cardinals as the Ctadinals won't be trading their 1st round pick this year but a 2nd and their 1st next year is probably what they will offer.

 

The 49ers could also use Brown though I am not sure they have the cap space to get him. The Lions could also be a contender for Brown.

 

The Cardinals are probably the favorites right now to land Brown. I don't see the Packers parting with the picks it would require to get Brown.

[adambr2]

The Packers are going to have to give up more than the #30 pick to get Brown. The Cardinals are also looking to get Brown and they can probably offer the Steelers more.

 

A more realistic trade is the #30 pick this year and the Packers 1st round pick next year. That puts the Packers ahead of the Cardinals as the Ctadinals won't be trading their 1st round pick this year but a 2nd and their 1st next year is probably what they will offer.

 

The 49ers could also use Brown though I am not sure they have the cap space to get him. The Lions could also be a contender for Brown.

 

The Cardinals are probably the favorites right now to land Brown. I don't see the Packers parting with the picks it would require to get Brown.

 

That's way too much, and I want Brown.

 

#30 is a fair offer. They should be thrilled to get a 1st in return given the lack of leverage they have and Brown's demands for more guarantees if traded.

 

I don't see anyone topping that. If the Cardinals do, so be it. I don't see it. They're further than Antonio Brown away from contention.

[CheezWizHed]

Any team trading for Brown will need to consider if they can make him happy playing there also. I can't imagine Brown would be happy playing for the Cardinals right now.

[Jenkins5]

Gute took a big hit with fans for not making the Mack splash move. A move like this will get him a lot of credit back as an aggressive GM. After TT a lot of the fans have been desperately wanting a GM who has the balls (think I can use that phrase on here, if not sorry) to make a splash trade.

 

I’m surprising for the trade since traditionally I’m all about drafting & developing. We want to win now in ARod window? Adams & Brown combo make ARod extremely deadly. Adams has crossed into elite category & like him or not... last year was a down year for Brown & that was still 104 catches 1290 yards & 15 tds. He has had over 100 catches 6 straight years. 1300-1800 yards (rounded) and averaging 11 tds in that time. Elite routes, quickness out of breaks, and ball skills. Takes pressure off young WRs to having take major leap. A Rod will thrive. It’s a smaller version of Fitz & Bolden combo Cards have for Warner. Adams & Brown will be nightmare for secondaries & just imagine if Graham bounces back just a little.

 

Even if you trade 30 overall & maybe a later pick, still have high 1st round pick & extra 4th. Think juice is worth the squeeze. We got 35 million in Cap I believe to work with as well.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Our 2 and a 5 or 6 should get it done

[nate82]

Our 2 and a 5 or 6 should get it done

 

Yeah sure if you want to trade for someone not named Brown. It is going to take the 30th pick plus next years first to get Brown. The Packers are not going to get him by offering garbage picks.

[PeaveyFury]

I guess I'll believe it will cost that much when I see it. Just because the Cardinals are rumored to be willing to make a bad trade doesn’t mean that they actually will. I can't see anyone paying that price, especially not a crappy team that won’t be able to make him happy. If they do, it will be an astoundingly bad move.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

The Packers are going to have to give up more than the #30 pick to get Brown. The Cardinals are also looking to get Brown and they can probably offer the Steelers more.

 

A more realistic trade is the #30 pick this year and the Packers 1st round pick next year. That puts the Packers ahead of the Cardinals as the Ctadinals won't be trading their 1st round pick this year but a 2nd and their 1st next year is probably what they will offer.

 

The 49ers could also use Brown though I am not sure they have the cap space to get him. The Lions could also be a contender for Brown.

 

The Cardinals are probably the favorites right now to land Brown. I don't see the Packers parting with the picks it would require to get Brown.

 

That's way too much, and I want Brown.

 

#30 is a fair offer. They should be thrilled to get a 1st in return given the lack of leverage they have and Brown's demands for more guarantees if traded.

 

I don't see anyone topping that. If the Cardinals do, so be it. I don't see it. They're further than Antonio Brown away from contention.

 

Agreed. I could see #30 and next year's #1 for Beckham, but there's no way anyone is paying that amount for a highly paid receiver going into his age 31 year. The Steelers have little leverage too, as they are pretty much forced to deal him, and he's only going to want to go to a contender. Pretty limited options there. Also, since when would the #44 pick in the NFL draft be a garbage pick? That's ludicrous!

[docduany]

Besides the draft pick compensation I've heard it could take a new contract. There won't be any guaranteed money from the new team. Just his base salary. All in all it sounds a bit too rich for this team in my opinion.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Nate, respectively you are completely off the reservation on what it’s going to take to get AB. As a matter of fact you’re not even on the correct planet

[brewmann04]

The Packers will need to pony up for AB the steelers are not going to give him up. He has 3 years left on a deal so steelers don't need to move him