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If convicted on the charges, he won't ever play again. However, witness cooperation, evidence chain of custody etc. make obtaining a conviction against someone who essentially is a 1%er with the best defense money can buy not such a certainty. If he beats the rap I wouldn't be so sure he's a 'pariah'. See: Aroldis Chapman, Addison Russell, Roberto Osuna.

 

All those guys are scum. But none are "inappropriate behavior with a 13-year-old"-level scum. Even if he finds some way to beat the charges, that's a pretty big scarlet letter hanging around his neck.

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If convicted on the charges, he won't ever play again. However, witness cooperation, evidence chain of custody etc. make obtaining a conviction against someone who essentially is a 1%er with the best defense money can buy not such a certainty. If he beats the rap I wouldn't be so sure he's a 'pariah'. See: Aroldis Chapman, Addison Russell, Roberto Osuna.

 

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the guys you mentioned didn't commit their acts on children - while all of the above are despicable actions, IMO there's a significant difference between domestic abusers and pedophiles in the public eye. He's not ever beating this rap to the point of being welcomed in a clubhouse, no matter what happens to him in the court of law - and the fact he was actually arrested and booked tells me they have what amounts to a slam dunk case proving his guilt.

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People in prison will ruin you over child crimes, especially sexual in nature. That's people in prison for hard crimes, sometimes murder. MLB will not accept him back and even if they don't ban him teams will give him the Bonds/Colin K etc. kind of treatment where no one will sign him regardless. This wasn't just a child...this was someone 13 years old. That is beyond sketch, that's just disgusting and you can't play the "well I didn't know" card or any other excuse.

 

If true, which it appears that way...he is a goner.

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People in prison will ruin you over child crimes, especially sexual in nature. That's people in prison for hard crimes, sometimes murder. MLB will not accept him back and even if they don't ban him teams will give him the Bonds/Colin K etc. kind of treatment where no one will sign him regardless. This wasn't just a child...this was someone 13 years old. That is beyond sketch, that's just disgusting and you can't play the "well I didn't know" card or any other excuse.

 

If true, which it appears that way...he is a goner.

MLB will have to ban him or this stain will be on them as well. They will have to do it quickly because just putting him on paid administrative leave will not be close to enough. They do not have to wait until the legal process grinds through this. By this time next week, or sooner, he will be out of baseball forever. They can push this through quickly, I can't see the union stepping up for him. It's also the only way the story goes away quickly for baseball.

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Horrible if true. Alleged girl was 13 years old. I wonder if this held teams back from trading for him?

 

I would guess it had a lot more to do with Pittsburgh's asking price. I would certainly hope him having sex with children wasn't a known part of trade conversations for either party in July.

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Vazquez is only a small part of it but the Pirates have really taken a nosedive the last few years. From an up and coming franchise to scrap heap rather quickly. You've got to think Hurdle is gone and Huntington probably would be too if he didn't just get an extension this year.

 

This year has been nearly a total disaster for the Pirates and may very well cost Hurdle his job. However, they have had a ton of injuries this year. Last year I thought they were really onto something with Jameson Taillon, Trevor Williams, and Joe Musgrove all pitched very well, were under team control for years and were all 26 and under. However, Taillon pretty much missed the entire 2019 season. Williams missed a month with a lat strain and has really struggled since coming back. Also, Gregory Polanco also injured suffered a season ending shoulder injury in June, and Cervelli never played after suffering a concussion in May.

 

Additionally, but for all the turmoil surrounding their bullpen, they have one of the top rookies in the NL in Bryan Reynolds. Kevin Newman also has had a very solid season. Josh Bell started living up to his billing with monster numbers.

 

Really, besides the injuries this year, it was the fact their GM believed they had a wild card run in them last year and traded Glasnow and Meadows for Archer at the deadline when they were just 3.5 games out of the 2nd wild card spot. With Meadows and Glasnow this year the Pirates would probably not be on the mat with a ten count right now.

 

After 9 years, Hurdle will likely wear the jacket for this season, which I personally think is too bad because there aren't too many of the old cantankerous managers like him around the major leagues anymore.

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Heimlich was at least a minor himself too and there is enough gray area to maybe where you could make it work. If I remember correctly he claimed it was bad legal advice that caused him to plead guilty thus avoiding jail time. And I don't think there is really much known outside of the fact he pleaded guilty. He also continued to play at Oregon State after the matter so somehow a college accepted him so it was feasible a MLB team might do the same. The Royals Gm actually wanted to do it and publicly defended Heimlich. Of course the backlash was bad and it didn't happen. For the record Heimlich pitches in the Mexican league. I believe he tried Taiwan, but the league blocked it...I thought the Mexican league did the same before allowing him.

 

With Vasquez you have a 26-28 year old going after a 13-15 year old...with what seems indisputable evidence. Not much gray area or unknowns with that and pretty much impossible to defend someone well in their mid 20s.

 

I am not defending Heimlich or hinting any team should have signed him...just pointing out how that situation was arguably better than Vasquez. I also don't really believe he was just taking bad legal advice, but thus, can't really prove it either way. So if Heimlich couldn't latch on being a MAJOR LHP prospect then I don't see how Vasquez can rebound from this. At least Heimlich could have been hidden in the minors for years and not instantly on the MLB team. Though Vasquez may be in prison and/or banned from the country...the chance to know may never happen.

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Cubs and Rizzo faking severity of his injury?

 

Anthony Rizzo (ankle) was able to run on the field, and show the Cubs' training staff that he can run the bases comfortably, prior to Thursday's showdown against the Cardinals.

 

Rizzo was supposed to be in a walking boot for 5-7 days folling his MRI on Monday, but he was in full uniform testing out his ankle prior to Thursday's game. That just goes to show how important every game is for the Cubs right now. While it's a crazy thought, perhaps Rizzo could be available off the bench on Thursday.

 

Source: Derrick Goold on Twitter

Sep 19, 2019, 6:53 PM ET

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Heimlich deserves a chance.

 

He definitely does not.

 

This is an argument that no one is going to win, and should probably be avoided.

 

Obviously there's a lot of info to come out yet, but I would be very surprised if Vasquez's career is not over.

 

Why? He took a plea deal on a lawyer's advice. There is no evidence he did anything wrong. He was a kid that psychologists and judges agreed that he seemed to have not done anything. The only story claiming he did something quite likely was fabricated by his ex-sister in law. But based on hearsay, the lawyer advised he take a plea deal to avoid all chances of prison or juvenile detention, along with to minimize family tension/drama.

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Why? He took a plea deal on a lawyer's advice. There is no evidence he did anything wrong. He was a kid that psychologists and judges agreed that he seemed to have not done anything. The only story claiming he did something quite likely was fabricated by his ex-sister in law. But based on hearsay, the lawyer advised he take a plea deal to avoid all chances of prison or juvenile detention, along with to minimize family tension/drama.

 

I think the kid should get a chance too. But every time his name is brought up in any public forum, it turns into a pissing match. People know the details you just pointed out, and they just don't listen/care. But I'm done talking about it, as I'm sure someone will be here shortly to shame me for thinking a kid that was convicted and did his time should get an opportunity to make a living doing something he's obviously very talented in.

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He was a kid that psychologists and judges agreed that he seemed to have not done anything.

 

No, he was a kid that psychologists deemed not likely to offend again. Huge difference.

The point is that any "evidence" that he offended to begin with is dubious at best.

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He was a kid that psychologists and judges agreed that he seemed to have not done anything.

 

No, he was a kid that psychologists deemed not likely to offend again. Huge difference.

The point is that any "evidence" that he offended to begin with is dubious at best.

Yet he freely admitted guilt in a court of law. Look, nobody knows what really happened except him and his victim, but it's real easy to take the easy path, admit guilt then later say "nah, I didn't really do it". If you didn't really do it defend yourself and be willing to face the jail time. I'd have more respect for his stance if he'd done that and been found guilty (he also could have been found not guilty), all the while maintaining his innocence, than the route he did take.

 

Playing baseball, or any professional sport is a privilege, not a right, and it's dependent on more than just a person's skill. Fairly or unfairly this situation is standing in the way of that privilege. I'm ok with that.

 

Ultimately I have no sympathy for the guy. He's free and didn't do any time. He gets to live his life. Maybe one day he will be exonerated. The fact remains he chose to admit guilt to avoid the possibility of doing time. That was his choice, now he has to live with the consequences.

 

Life's not fair and this is an example why. I don't see how he's owed anything here.

 

That's my opinion and I won't look down on others here for having an opposing one, I'll just agree to disagree.

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