2019 Brewers' pitching staff

[wallus]

My solution? Have the offense put up a lot of runs and let the starters go a little longer.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

[dt][/dt]

My solution? Have the offense put up a lot of runs and let the starters go a little longer.

Yes! It felt the bullpening was needed due to being in close games very consistently. If the offense busted out for 6+ we’d tax the pen a lot less. Last year that didn’t happen as much.

[adambr2]

Nothing in the world will ever be more important than making sure strangers on the internet know just how wrong they are.

[tmwiese55]

Nothing in the world will ever be more important than making sure strangers on the internet know just how wrong they are.

 

you're wrong!! Addressing world hunger, climate change and other global issues are more important.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Nothing in the world will ever be more important than making sure strangers on the internet know just how wrong they are.

 

Yeah, tell me about it. If I wind up being wrong I'll have to own it and move on. I've never seen someone so dead set on making sure it's known that they were right and others were wrong. It's quite premature at this point as well. Nothing Counsell said eliminates what HNW says it does. I've said from the start that the transition away from starters and relievers could take a decade to fully set in. Countless times I've said that the current Max Scherzer's don't disappear overnight. If I wind up being wrong about anything in 2019 it will from overestimating how big of a step towards eliminating traditional roles the Brewers take. It might be implemented more slowly but there's no denying the change is coming. Maybe Tampa will stay the leaders on this rather than the Brewers as I suggested. Tar and feather me for such an outrageous thought.

[PeaveyFury]

I've never seen someone so dead set on making sure it's known that they were right and others were wrong.

 

To be fair, though, you’ve done quite a job of telling us how right you think you are previously.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I've never seen someone so dead set on making sure it's known that they were right and others were wrong.

 

To be fair, though, you’ve done quite a job of telling us how right you think you are previously.

 

Fair enough, time will tell.

[Brew crew 92]

Even with the possible regression of Chacin, the other four starters

Will be stronger thru health and experience. Starters go at least 10 deep. If Burnes and or woodruff in rotation, relief maybe slightly

Weaker initially but strengthened as year progresses with tremendous

Depth sorting itself out even more so than last year. Junior G, Wahl

Brown, Williams,Webb,perdono,Jackson,Deonis G,Albers,Claudio plus

Trade deadline acquisition if needed, should make bullpen as strong or

Stronger than last years pen

[Humans Need Water]

Eh, don't be so black and white. There could very well be parts to the season where we see a more tandem approach to things. Possibly when we have multiple off days in a week and such.

Obviously that's going to be the case - as I've said for months. There's always breaks in the calendar (usually first part) where you can bullpen a game, etc and still keep everyone rested. Counsell wasn't stating we're going with 5 rotation arms and nobody else will start and everyone is throwing 100 pitches. He was clearly starting we're going with a rotation and we need that rotation to get as many outs as possible. So when that happens 90% of the time that's pretty black and white.

 

So you're agreeing that there is some grey area? Sounds good. We are on the same page.

No. Because the grey area you're talking about is a common or consistent happening. The tandem approach, lefty starting vs Carpenter (if he's leadoff) aren't common or consistent happenings.

 

Sounds good. Glad to see you're on my page...aka the page the Brewers showed everyone last year until Sept aka the page Consell just showed us a few days ago when he said he needs the rotation to eat up innings

[clancyphile]

Even with the possible regression of Chacin, the other four starters

Will be stronger thru health and experience. Starters go at least 10 deep. If Burnes and or woodruff in rotation, relief maybe slightly

Weaker initially but strengthened as year progresses with tremendous

Depth sorting itself out even more so than last year. Junior G, Wahl

Brown, Williams,Webb,perdono,Jackson,Deonis G,Albers,Claudio plus

Trade deadline acquisition if needed, should make bullpen as strong or

Stronger than last years pen

 

The way I see it, the Brewers' best bet is to start with

Rotation: Chacin, Anderson, Burnes, Peralta, Woodruff

Bullpen: Knebel, Jeffress, Hader, Claudio, Burnes, T. Williams, Guerra

 

Nelson and Davies are among those sent to AAA - better to get them to shake of the rust down there. As they get the rust off, maybe move Peralta or Woodruff to the pen and get one or both up. Or maybe someone becomes trade-bait.

[OldHeidelberg]

Even with the possible regression of Chacin, the other four starters

Will be stronger thru health and experience. Starters go at least 10 deep. If Burnes and or woodruff in rotation, relief maybe slightly

Weaker initially but strengthened as year progresses with tremendous

Depth sorting itself out even more so than last year. Junior G, Wahl

Brown, Williams,Webb,perdono,Jackson,Deonis G,Albers,Claudio plus

Trade deadline acquisition if needed, should make bullpen as strong or

Stronger than last years pen

 

The way I see it, the Brewers' best bet is to start with

Rotation: Chacin, Anderson, Burnes, Peralta, Woodruff

Bullpen: Knebel, Jeffress, Hader, Claudio, Burnes, T. Williams, Guerra

 

Nelson and Davies are among those sent to AAA - better to get them to shake of the rust down there. As they get the rust off, maybe move Peralta or Woodruff to the pen and get one or both up. Or maybe someone becomes trade-bait.

 

My bet would be Chacin, Davies, Burnes, Woodruff, Anderson rotation to start. I hope Nelson is ready but my guess is they will bring him along slowly, maybe in the bullpen or at AAA as you suggest, when he is ready he will replace Anderson or whoever is doing the worst. Peralta is the #6 starter and starts at AAA unless they need him in the bullpen but he moved ahead of Woodruff in the pecking order last year so I could see him winning a spot as well. Really interested to see how this shakes out over the next few weeks.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Even with the possible regression of Chacin, the other four starters

Will be stronger thru health and experience. Starters go at least 10 deep. If Burnes and or woodruff in rotation, relief maybe slightly

Weaker initially but strengthened as year progresses with tremendous

Depth sorting itself out even more so than last year. Junior G, Wahl

Brown, Williams,Webb,perdono,Jackson,Deonis G,Albers,Claudio plus

Trade deadline acquisition if needed, should make bullpen as strong or

Stronger than last years pen

 

The way I see it, the Brewers' best bet is to start with

Rotation: Chacin, Anderson, Burnes, Peralta, Woodruff

Bullpen: Knebel, Jeffress, Hader, Claudio, Burnes, T. Williams, Guerra

 

Nelson and Davies are among those sent to AAA - better to get them to shake of the rust down there. As they get the rust off, maybe move Peralta or Woodruff to the pen and get one or both up. Or maybe someone becomes trade-bait.

 

 

Burnes is both starting and relief?

[KeithStone53151]

The more I see, the less chance I think there is that Nelson is anything but an established member of the rotation. I expect him to be the opening day starter, and to enter the season with virtually no restrictions. If I'm wrong, so be it...that's what I'm expecting though.

[RollieTime]

The more I see, the less chance I think there is that Nelson is anything but an established member of the rotation. I expect him to be the opening day starter, and to enter the season with virtually no restrictions. If I'm wrong, so be it...that's what I'm expecting though.

 

Nelson, Chacin, Anderson, Davies, and Burnes is the way I see it. Woodruff should remain in the bullpen with Peralta being the first guy up when needed.

[KeithStone53151]

The more I see, the less chance I think there is that Nelson is anything but an established member of the rotation. I expect him to be the opening day starter, and to enter the season with virtually no restrictions. If I'm wrong, so be it...that's what I'm expecting though.

 

Nelson, Chacin, Anderson, Davies, and Burnes is the way I see it. Woodruff should remain in the bullpen with Peralta being the first guy up when needed.

 

I agree, I think this is the default. There is of course the chance that Woodruff or Peralta have a crazy good spring and win a job over Burnes or Davies...but I would anticipate this being the expectation. Peralta will probably throw like 80% changeups if he goes to AAA to get that pitch ready.

[MrTPlush]

I think they go with the proven vets to start the season. Assuming guys are healthy (mainly Nelson):

 

Nelson (100%)

Chacin (100%)

Burnes (100%)

Anderson (80%)

Davies (70%)

Woodruff (50%)

Peralta (0%)

 

I don't think Peralta has any chance to break camp in the rotation. He probably can't make a complete season without hitting some limit or getting gassed. Makes way more sense to start him in the pen where he will limit innings then start later on. A lot may depend on how guys look this spring. Davies definitely could play his way out of the rotation, but I think he is a easy bet going into ST.

[KeithStone53151]

I think they go with the proven vets to start the season. Assuming guys are healthy (mainly Nelson):

 

Nelson (100%)

Chacin (100%)

Burnes (100%)

Anderson (80%)

Davies (70%)

Woodruff (50%)

Peralta (0%)

 

I don't think Peralta has any chance to break camp in the rotation. He probably can't make a complete season without hitting some limit or getting gassed. Makes way more sense to start him in the pen where he will limit innings then start later on. A lot may depend on how guys look this spring. Davies definitely could play his way out of the rotation, but I think he is a easy bet going into ST.

 

I would love for these numbers to be correct, I just feel like there's some chance that Burnes doesn't open in the rotation...and some chance that Peralta forces his way in. Maybe I'd feel better if you went 90% Burnes and 10% Peralta. Overall I like it though, I hope it shakes out this way. I want to see Woodruff start so we can see him hit another dinger.

[MrTPlush]

I think they go with the proven vets to start the season. Assuming guys are healthy (mainly Nelson):

 

Nelson (100%)

Chacin (100%)

Burnes (100%)

Anderson (80%)

Davies (70%)

Woodruff (50%)

Peralta (0%)

 

I don't think Peralta has any chance to break camp in the rotation. He probably can't make a complete season without hitting some limit or getting gassed. Makes way more sense to start him in the pen where he will limit innings then start later on. A lot may depend on how guys look this spring. Davies definitely could play his way out of the rotation, but I think he is a easy bet going into ST.

 

I would love for these numbers to be correct, I just feel like there's some chance that Burnes doesn't open in the rotation...and some chance that Peralta forces his way in. Maybe I'd feel better if you went 90% Burnes and 10% Peralta. Overall I like it though, I hope it shakes out this way. I want to see Woodruff start so we can see him hit another dinger.

 

I will say it is hard to even guess what the Brewers will do just because of how they are using pitchers. They don't seem scared to put a better pitcher in the bullpen. That being said I won't let last year trick me. Burnes in the rotation is too obvious for it to not happen.

 

I would also like to see Woodruff get a spot, but I am okay with him waiting it out until someone bombs (Anderson or Davies) or a major injury.

[Lathund]

There's a chance that even if Nelson is fully healthy, velocity is back and they view him as a member of the rotation that he'll still start in AAA. He might need to work his way up to a full starter workload, and while they might be willing to let him do that in the majors, they also might not. Or he may be put straight into the rotation. Anyway, regardless of his status I have a hard time seeing anyone other than Chacin as the opening day starter, he earned that in 2018.

 

So Nelson's status is still somewhat up in the air even if the reports are good so far, and to me the question for the last spot also comes down to who is of most use elsewhere. I think Woodruff is a better option out of the 'pen than Peralta, Anderson or Davies for instance. I guess I'll go with

 

Chacin

Anderson

Davies

Burnes

Peralta/Nelson depending on Nelson's health

 

Pen: Woodruff, Guerra, Hader, Knebel, Jeffress, Claudio, Albers (If he looks like 2017 or early 2018 Albers in ST), Barnes. (Williams, Wahl, Houser and Wilkerson on the shuttle. Could be any one of them instead of Barnes or Albers to start the year).

 

AAA: Peralta/Nelson - I don't want either one there, they're better than that. But I also don't think there's much point sending Davies there. Peralta staying stretched out and working on that changeup for when he'll inevitably be needed in Milwaukee might be for the best. The 'pen is an option too, but less likely IMO.

 

Overall I'd like to get all three of Woodruff, Peralta and Burnes into the rotation. But at the same time, the overall depth works better (IMO anyway) with the above setup. I'm not a big believer in Anderson, and while I like Davies more, 2018 worried me a bit. But they have both had good MLB seasons, and keeping them around and active is probably a good thing. The youngsters will be there when needed.

[ConnecticutBrewer]

I'm just excited for the Cards and Cubs to drink some Haderaide.

[Mays Hayes]

FWIW.. Nelson is passing the eye test from fans I know that have seen him throwing in ST so far. Was told he looks sharp and throwing hard.

[MrTPlush]

FWIW.. Nelson is passing the eye test from fans I know that have seen him throwing in ST so far. Was told he looks sharp and throwing hard.

 

Correct, Counsell had said Nelson is throwing BP sessions so he sounds pretty healthy. There is a lot more than throwing at 100%, but he sounds like he will be ready come opening day as it stands right now.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I think they go with the proven vets to start the season. Assuming guys are healthy (mainly Nelson):

 

Nelson (100%)

Chacin (100%)

Burnes (100%)

Anderson (80%)

Davies (70%)

Woodruff (50%)

Peralta (0%)

 

I don't think Peralta has any chance to break camp in the rotation. He probably can't make a complete season without hitting some limit or getting gassed. Makes way more sense to start him in the pen where he will limit innings then start later on. A lot may depend on how guys look this spring. Davies definitely could play his way out of the rotation, but I think he is a easy bet going into ST.

 

Why would Peralta be at risk for an innings limit prior to Burnes or Woodruff? 2018 total innings pitched for the 3 bolded...

 

Peralta - 144.1

Woodruff - 126

Burnes - 125.2

[MrTPlush]

I think they go with the proven vets to start the season. Assuming guys are healthy (mainly Nelson):

 

Nelson (100%)

Chacin (100%)

Burnes (100%)

Anderson (80%)

Davies (70%)

Woodruff (50%)

Peralta (0%)

 

I don't think Peralta has any chance to break camp in the rotation. He probably can't make a complete season without hitting some limit or getting gassed. Makes way more sense to start him in the pen where he will limit innings then start later on. A lot may depend on how guys look this spring. Davies definitely could play his way out of the rotation, but I think he is a easy bet going into ST.

 

Why would Peralta be at risk for an innings limit prior to Burnes or Woodruff? 2018 total innings pitched for the 3 bolded...

 

Peralta - 144.1

Woodruff - 126

Burnes - 125.2

 

My bad, I must be thinking too much of last year where he was destined to hit a limit if he pitched all year in the rotation...which of course he didn't. He would be fine next year to go the full 180+ broadly speaking.

 

The previous year innings isn't a big deal from what I have understood. It all matters on previous career high innings, not so much year before. Assuming the Brewers follow such a guideline that some question these days. Health wise that may be legitimate, but I still think a major innings increase that you have never experienced is likely to gas you come the later part of the season.

[KeithStone53151]

Burnes threw 145 in 2017 and Woodruff threw 158 in 2016. Also both guys are a bit bigger and a bit older than Peralta, so I would understand them being a bit more likely to be protective of his arm. All that said, I would think all of these guys would have a roughly similar innings "goal" in the 180-190 range. I don't think the Brewers really want any of them throwing 200+ innings yet, but I don't really see that being an issue. Even if all end up starting in either MLB or AAA, in September(assuming contention) it's very likely we shift to a similar strategy that we employed last September/October. These guys would probably be pitching 2-4 innings stints and it would be much easier to limit their innings for the stretch run.