2019 Brewers' pitching staff

[Pugger]

Any idea on when Woody will be back?

[brewmann04]

I think we won't be seeing Nelson, but lets hope the Bullpen can perform at a high pace during the last 20 games.

[Brew crew 92]

Any idea on when Woody will be back?

 

Latest word I heard was he’s feeling healthy now, but needs more work throwing bullpens, he’s not happy with his pitching/pitches, guessing sometime on the next homestand.

[Roderick]

I think we won't be seeing Nelson, but lets hope the Bullpen can perform at a high pace during the last 20 games.

 

Yeah, you can't walk someone up five runs in the 9th. I would rather you groove a 80MPH fastball than do that.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I think we won't be seeing Nelson, but lets hope the Bullpen can perform at a high pace during the last 20 games.

 

Yeah, you can't walk someone up five runs in the 9th. I would rather you groove a 80MPH fastball than do that.

 

He looked pretty good his first time out last week, but obviously struggled yesterday. The stuff is better, but the command is still iffy. I think we'll see him again, but it's going to be mop-up roles with very short hooks.

 

But our pen arms coming in with leads and proceeding to walk guys is not a new development. They've been doing it all year.

[Brew crew 92]

Lights out:

Hader

 

Solid:

Pomeranz Suter Guerra Claudio

 

The rest:

Black Jackson Peralta Albers D Williams Faria Nelson T Williams Burnes

 

Lots of good potential in “the rest”, at least, 1 or maybe 2 can pitch consistently enough at some point to give us 6 solid options plus Hader on a nightly basis. Then add 3-4 dominant innings from Woodruff and we have a staff that can rival last year’s playoff pen.

[tmwiese55]

I think what should be obvious by how you move these people around on a day by day basis is that it lays out exactly what pretty much all of their problems is, consistency. All these guys you get a fascination with after one or two outings are all capable of doing well on any given day, it's not like they don't have 'stuff' so to speak. But they're also liable to get blown up way too often and you have no idea when it's gonna happen.

 

Peralta for example a mere two days ago you had in the Good category and when called out on it you said something like "what everyone else calls reactionary, I call obvious". Two days later, Peralta shows his inconsistency like he has his whole career and now he's just a guy too. I think we'd all say this obviously reactionary.

 

Due to the inconsistency of everyone. I'd toss out that maybe something CC could do is yank earlier when someone shows cracks. Take some of Albers bad games recently or Freddy last night, he probably could've pulled the plug sooner. Still, i know that's tough as you still have to cover so many innings every night because starters don't go deep. So sometime you just have to grit your teeth and hope for the best.

 

Sorry, there is no chance of this pen coming close to last years. I appreciate the positivity these days as you've somehow flipped from the most negative person on here in ripping the owner, GM, Manager and calling for all their heads to acting like this team is a WS contender in the span of 3 weeks. But there is no way this comes anywhere close to having Hader, JJ, Knebel, Burnes, Wood, Soria last year. Not even close. There was 4 guys there where when they came in you didn't expect the ball to get touched. Then Woody came on big time right at the end too and was like that as well.

[Brew crew 92]

I think what should be obvious by how you move these people around on a day by day basis is that it lays out exactly what pretty much all of their problems is, consistency. All these guys you get a fascination with after one or two outings are all capable of doing well on any given day, it's not like they don't have 'stuff' so to speak. But they're also liable to get blown up way too often and you have no idea when it's gonna happen.

 

Peralta for example a mere two days ago you had in the Good category and when called out on it you said something like "what everyone else calls reactionary, I call obvious". Two days later, Peralta shows his inconsistency like he has his whole career and now he's just a guy too. I think we'd all say this obviously reactionary.

 

Due to the inconsistency of everyone. I'd toss out that maybe something CC could do is yank earlier when someone shows cracks. Take some of Albers bad games recently or Freddy last night, he probably could've pulled the plug sooner. Still, i know that's tough as you still have to cover so many innings every night because starters don't go deep. So sometime you just have to grit your teeth and hope for the best.

 

Sorry, there is no chance of this pen coming close to last years. I appreciate the positivity these days as you've somehow flipped from the most negative person on here in ripping the owner, GM, Manager and calling for all their heads to acting like this team is a WS contender in the span of 3 weeks. But there is no way this comes anywhere close to having Hader, JJ, Knebel, Burnes, Wood, Soria last year. Not even close. There was 4 guys there where when they came in you didn't expect the ball to get touched. Then Woody came on big time right at the end too and was like that as well.

 

I would argue potentially not as much separation as you think. Remember Jeffress was abysmal in the playoffs. Soria nothing special either in the playoffs. The separation is Burnes Knebel.

 

While we don’t have a Knebel dominant pitcher right now, we could have one emerge that at least has the stuff of Knebel in Black, and I would argue we can play matchup better with 3 good lefties beside Hader. Even Jackson as a Roogy. Let’s see what happens moving forward, before we say not close to last year’s pen.

[tmwiese55]

Well I didn't say playoffs. I was referring to specifically late last season as in the stage we're in now. It's drastically different than what we had last year. You had 3 lights out back end guys combined with two multi inning lights out guys. Plus Soria who would be our 2nd best guy this year. Also Guira had transitioned well to the pen at the end of last year. This just shows again your overreaction to small samples, JJ had a couple bad outings to end it so that means he didn't have like a 1.2 ERA on the year. Soria was the definition of average/fine/mediocre yet you're ripping him while trying to act like the guys this year who are best case in the same class as him, and many clearly worse are actually good. I honestly have no idea how anyone can think it's close.

 

You of course ignore the real substance of the post in the first regarding the inconsistency of this years guys though and your massive overreactions game to game.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Milwaukee Brewers

@Brewers

RHP Devin Williams has been recalled from Double-A Biloxi.

 

Active roster is now at 36 players. The only player on the 40-man roster who is healthy and not active is Trey Supak. Tyler Saladino ended the AAA season on the 7-day IL, and the only reason I can figure that they haven't activated and DFA'd him is he must be close to being healthy enough to return. Of course Woodruff and Hiura are in the MLB 10-day IL. Roster will likely be at 38 players once they return.

 

Supersized bullpens are fun! "You get an inning, you get an inning, everyone gets an inning!"

[nate82]

Some positive news:

 

Houser's fastball has been missing bats at the same rate as Verlander's and has been better than Clevinger and Lynn.

 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/five-relatively-unknown-pitchers-whose-swing-and-miss-fastballs-could-set-up-big-league-success/

 

 

Take this for whatever it is worth the sample size is probably to small.

[trwi7]

Wade Miley's last two starts

 

0.1 IP, 12 H, 12 ER, 2 BB, 0 K

[brewmann04]

Miley just coming back to ground. I really hope they can get some starters go more 4 Innings even with the full bullpen. Next year they won't be able to do that when the numbers are down.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

@AdamMcCalvy

 

1m

David Stearns on Brandon Woodruff, who threw to hitters yesterday: “Very pleased with how he felt after the outing, how his stuff looked. So I think the expectation now is sometime within the next week, we should be able to see Brandon Woodruff in a Major League game."

 

Good news, and would be a huge addition for the last couple weeks of the season.

[Brew crew 92]

@AdamMcCalvy

 

1m

David Stearns on Brandon Woodruff, who threw to hitters yesterday: “Very pleased with how he felt after the outing, how his stuff looked. So I think the expectation now is sometime within the next week, we should be able to see Brandon Woodruff in a Major League game."

 

Good news, and would be a huge addition for the last couple weeks of the season.

 

Hope they start him, gradually stretch to 90+ pitches by the playoffs. Really big addition, wow, he’s been missed. Now let’s clinch this thing, and get Burnes pitching.

[tmwiese55]

Yea it would be nice to get a good lead in a game and let Burnes get his feet wet. Get 2-3 outings of that nature out of the way and see how he does.

[KeithStone53151]

I was putzing on statcast and looking at Davies yesterday before the game. One thing that stuck out to me, the spin rate on all his pitches has steadily decreased throughout the year. And as it's decreased, his whiff rate has also decreased. Oddly, his fastball velocity has gone slightly up...but I'm starting to think either Davies is physically wearing down from the long season...or he's dealing with a minor injury...or both. Regardless...he's not the same pitcher from the first half. I'd like to see Woodruff take his spot in the rotation when he comes back. I understand he'll be on a limited pitch count...maybe have Suter piggyback with him to get 6-7 innings total. But I think Davies should probably be shut down for the year...I wouldn't even include him on a potential postseason roster at this point.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I was putzing on statcast and looking at Davies yesterday before the game. One thing that stuck out to me, the spin rate on all his pitches has steadily decreased throughout the year. And as it's decreased, his whiff rate has also decreased. Oddly, his fastball velocity has gone slightly up...but I'm starting to think either Davies is physically wearing down from the long season...or he's dealing with a minor injury...or both. Regardless...he's not the same pitcher from the first half. I'd like to see Woodruff take his spot in the rotation when he comes back. I understand he'll be on a limited pitch count...maybe have Suter piggyback with him to get 6-7 innings total. But I think Davies should probably be shut down for the year...I wouldn't even include him on a potential postseason roster at this point.

 

That is going to depend on if Woodruff is built up to the point where he can throw 80 pitches. If he is, you probably slot him into a playoff rotation with Houser, Lyles and one of Gio/Anderson/Davies. If Woody isn't starting, though, then things get dicier. Davies provides potential value as a guy that can come in and pitch multiple innings out of the pen as well. In the end, it might come down to including him or someone like Jay Jackson on a playoff roster.

[Brew crew 92]

This teams much maligned pen today:

 

5 IP 0 H 0 BB 10 K’s

 

Thing of beauty ^^.

 

Underrated and Underappreciated.

[FVBrewerFan]

This teams much maligned pen today:

 

5 IP 0 H 0 BB 10 K’s

 

Thing of beauty ^^.

 

Underrated and Underappreciated.

 

In other words:

 

Good:>

 

Bullpen>>

 

Bad>>>

 

Nobody

[Brew crew 92]

This teams much maligned pen today:

 

5 IP 0 H 0 BB 10 K’s

 

Thing of beauty ^^.

 

Underrated and Underappreciated.

 

In other words:

 

Good:>

 

Bullpen>>

 

 

 

Bad>>>

 

Nobody

 

 

Sure, that would be correct in describing yesterday’s bullpen. Although I might have used the adjective great or dominant to better reflect what we saw.

 

Just hoping to hear less, “this pen sucks” out of ignorant posters would be welcomed. It’s ok to say inconsistent still, although another couple of mostly shut down pen games should put an end to that talk too. So here’s to hoping for that.

[pacopete4]

Just hoping to hear less, “this pen sucks” out of ignorant posters would be welcomed. It’s ok to say inconsistent still, although another couple of mostly shut down pen games should put an end to that talk too. So here’s to hoping for that.

 

Maybe if you do less of your schtick... oh, never mind. Just keep trying to call out other posters. It's more comical that way.

[tmwiese55]

Bullpen was great yesterday. Was anyone on here saying you were ignorant the games before when they loaded bases every inning and what was it Wednesday night when the pen blew the lead? Even folks like me who've called you out on how overboard you are on this have mostly just said the issue is consistency, yet you're trying to act like we're all saying it completely sucks. Most of the guys have the stuff to do it on any given day, it's just that they are too susceptible to the blow up days and therefore inconsistent. Which should be so obvious to you as you change your good/bad list every day based on their ups/downs and inconsistencies. Beyond inconsistency, a lot of the guys simply hadn't been pitching so there needs to be a see how they do type attitude before crowning them awesome. Say guys like Suter/Black, two guys where two weeks ago you don't know what you're gonna get but have been doing great. But yea, carry on with told ya so after good games.

 

Return of Hader's slider is huge, just shake your head wondering why they went away from it all year.

[Brew crew 92]

Bullpen was great yesterday. Was anyone on here saying you were ignorant the games before when they loaded bases every inning and what was it Wednesday night when the pen blew the lead? Even folks like me who've called you out on how overboard you are on this have mostly just said the issue is consistency, yet you're trying to act like we're all saying it completely sucks. Most of the guys have the stuff to do it on any given day, it's just that they are too susceptible to the blow up days and therefore inconsistent. Which should be so obvious to you as you change your good/bad list every day based on their ups/downs and inconsistencies. Beyond inconsistency, a lot of the guys simply hadn't been pitching so there needs to be a see how they do type attitude before crowning them awesome. Say guys like Suter/Black, two guys where two weeks ago you don't know what you're gonna get but have been doing great. But yea, carry on with told ya so after good games.

 

Return of Hader's slider is huge, just shake your head wondering why they went away from it all year.

 

Nice try.

No reading between the lines was necessary with my post. Anyone that’s watched this bullpen pitch since September 1, that says anything other than, at worst, it’s a good bullpen, doesn’t know what their talking about. My post pointed that out. That’s all. And (IF) it gets more and more dominant moving forward then what? Maybe the inconsistent word can go away, and we can see this pen for what it is > one of the best if not THE BEST in the NL.

[Jopal78]

Bullpen was great yesterday. Was anyone on here saying you were ignorant the games before when they loaded bases every inning and what was it Wednesday night when the pen blew the lead? Even folks like me who've called you out on how overboard you are on this have mostly just said the issue is consistency, yet you're trying to act like we're all saying it completely sucks. Most of the guys have the stuff to do it on any given day, it's just that they are too susceptible to the blow up days and therefore inconsistent. Which should be so obvious to you as you change your good/bad list every day based on their ups/downs and inconsistencies. Beyond inconsistency, a lot of the guys simply hadn't been pitching so there needs to be a see how they do type attitude before crowning them awesome. Say guys like Suter/Black, two guys where two weeks ago you don't know what you're gonna get but have been doing great. But yea, carry on with told ya so after good games.

 

Return of Hader's slider is huge, just shake your head wondering why they went away from it all year.

 

Nice try.

No reading between the lines was necessary with my post. Anyone that’s watched this bullpen pitch since September 1, that says anything other than, at worst, it’s a good bullpen, doesn’t know what their talking about. My post pointed that out. That’s all. And (IF) it gets more and more dominant moving forward then what? Maybe the inconsistent word can go away, and we can see this pen for what it is > one of the best if not THE BEST in the NL.

 

Come on! The best bullpen in the NL is in St. Louis. They've got two relievers each with over 60 innings pitched with a FIP of 2.90 or less. They have six arms in the bullpen with more than 40 innings pitched with a WHIP of 1.2 or less. Besides John Gant, every reliever in the Cardinal pen has at least a 2:1 Strike out to walk ratio.

 

The Brewers pen is markedly improved since July by a few simple facts. Junior Guerra was dominant in August and has been very good in the 2nd half. The last four weeks Hader has regained his form as a dominant reliever (0.649 WHIP and 7.67:1 SO:W ratio). Since coming back from the minors on July 14th Jay Jackson has been solid. Finally Pomeranz, Black and Suter replace the revolving door of Alex Wilson, Jacob Barnes, Aaron Wilkerson, Burch Smith, Taylor Williams etc.

 

I give the GM credit for remaking his pen on the fly into a very good unit, but the Cardinals still have the superior pen.