2019 Brewers' pitching staff

[LouisEly]

Nelson has passed five years of service time and now cannot be optioned without his permission. .

B-R.com is horribly off on their service time count, as they say he had 4.107 years as of 1/19.

 

I assume they are as horribly off on Chase Anderson's service time too, as it has Anderson with 4.146 as of 1/19.

 

I assume either Peralta back to the rotation, or Burnes goes down and Wilkerson comes up.

[LouisEly]

Brewers first inning ERA now sits at 5.96.

 

Maybe we should revisit that "opener" idea...

[adambr2]

Nelson has passed five years of service time and now cannot be optioned without his permission. .

B-R.com is horribly off on their service time count, as they say he had 4.107 years as of 1/19.

 

I assume they are as horribly off on Chase Anderson's service time too, as it has Anderson with 4.146 as of 1/19.

 

I assume either Peralta back to the rotation, or Burnes goes down and Wilkerson comes up.

 

He did. 4.107 is 4 years + 107 days where 172 days equals one full service year. The .107 is not a decimal percentage. He acquired 58 more days on the IL before being activated and optioned, stopping his service clock at 4.165 on May 24th. It resumed on June 5th when he was called up and thus hit 5 years seven days later, which would be the equivalent of 4.172.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Unless I'm missing something or some comments I don't remember it that way at all.

 

I was referring to Nelson's own words, not Stearns'...

 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2019/06/04/brewers-pitcher-jimmy-nelson-excited-first-start-since-2017/1337102001/

 

Chacín and Gio Gonzalez are now both on the injured list, clearing the way for Nelson's return. But Nelson didn't deny he was upset initially at not being brought back in late May.

 

"It’s a lot of emotions. It’s not just disappointment. You’re genuinely mad," he said. "You’re angry, you’re mad, just because of the long journey to get back to the point where I could pitch competitively. You feel like you’ve done a lot to earn it.

 

"But not just in baseball, in everything, even if you feel like you earned it, you might not get it, or you might take a different route to get to it. As long as you can channel that into positive progress, whether it’s worth physical work or mental side of it, I feel like that’s the key to a lot of players in this game of failure."

 

This is just pure speculation, nothing more, but I get the sense that Nelson was pressuring the Brewers to bring him back in spite of the fact he was still struggling with minor league batters. It's unfortunate but it's been proven out that he's just not ready. They kept him down longer than he wanted but unfortunately for all, he should have been down longer.

[adambr2]

Interesting, that does change my perspective a lot. I hadn't seen that. Nelson had zero right to be mad or angry about the AAA assignment. The organization paid him 7 million just to wait on him because they believed in him and were willing to be patient. They didn't push him to come back last year and they've been nothing but good to him throughout this whole process.

 

Disappointed/frustrated? Sure. But angry? For what?

 

As far as Nelson pressuring the organization to coming back too soon I certainly hope not. Stearns is paid to make the tough calls and if he's being influenced like that, he's not doing his job. Although it's certainly a bad look for Nelson if he persuaded the organization that he was good and ready and now refuses the assignment.

[Eye Black]

Per Adam McCalvy: Adrian Houser will start Wednesday against the Mariners in Jimmy Nelson's spot.

 

Also from Adam McCalvy: Adrian Houser will be on a pitch count Wednesday against the Mariners, but it’s not just a spot start. He’s in line for two starts before the break.

[phnxcrew]

Excellent! Rewarding some one throwing well. His stuff looks absolutely nasty in the few appearances I’ve seen. We’re due for a surprise guy coming up and dominating for awhile after all the immense failures.

[willie key]

Jimmy Nelson got paid for almost two years for basically not throwing a pitch in anger at the major league level. He also got hurt by diving into a base. That wasn’t the Brewers organizations fault. Just because he couldn’t do something that 6 year olds could do without being hurt for 18 months or whatever

 

I get what his rights are based on the CBA but no one has to like it. We have a guy here who doesn’t belong in Major League Baseball yet. I wonder how he can look every player in the face the rest of the year if he keeps going out there Being These guys want to win. Not play what equates to simulated games for jimmy Nelson to work out in real major league games that count

[trwi7]

Jimmy Nelson got paid for almost two years for basically not throwing a pitch in anger at the major league level. He also got hurt by diving into a base. That wasn’t the Brewers organizations fault. Just because he couldn’t do something that 6 year olds could do without being hurt for 18 months or whatever

 

Stephen A. Smith, Colin Cowherd and Skip Bayless would be impressed by the hotness of this take.

[willie key]

Jimmy Nelson got paid for almost two years for basically not throwing a pitch in anger at the major league level. He also got hurt by diving into a base. That wasn’t the Brewers organizations fault. Just because he couldn’t do something that 6 year olds could do without being hurt for 18 months or whatever

 

Stephen A. Smith, Colin Cowherd and Skip Bayless would be impressed by the hotness of this take.

 

People need to quit crying for jimmy Nelson like the world did him wrong. Nobody did. He got hurt. On a basic baseball play. Happens

 

So now the major league team is stuck with a guy the rest of the year when he doesn’t belong here. Yet. Might as well bring Wang back too

[rickh150]

Didn't see this coming.... I thought Nelson's last start results were largely poor due to a ground ball that trickled through the infield for a couple of runs. He also was an out away from throwing 5IP with 3 ER... not great but a step up.

 

I am all for pulling pitchers early in a game or rotation, or the opposite of Yost's moves (remember when Capuano went like 15 starts without winning a game). Pulling them from the rotation.... eh, I'm a tad different. CC might be doing some damage by having a shorter leash with Burnes, Peralta, and now Nelson, fairly early in the season without great pitchers in the wings to fill in. I would have gone with all three of these guys longer (another start or two at least) before kicking them out of the rotation. Houser has looked great, though.

[adambr2]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/columns/morgan_joe/1433286.html

 

I found this article from the dark ages about starting pitching written by Joe Morgan. I had forgotten how horrifically bad of an analyst he was.

[mtrebs]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/columns/morgan_joe/1433286.html

 

I found this article from the dark ages about starting pitching written by Joe Morgan. I had forgotten how horrifically bad of an analyst he was.

 

I gave up to listening to Joe Morgan right after the Brewers signed Dave’s Lopes. He said something along the lines of “It’s great that a team hired another minority manager, but it’s too bad it’s on a team like the Brewers.” Now the Brewers were terrible at the time, but it really rubbed me the wrong way so he’s been dead to me since.

[mtrebs]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/columns/morgan_joe/1433286.html

 

I found this article from the dark ages about starting pitching written by Joe Morgan. I had forgotten how horrifically bad of an analyst he was.

 

I gave up to listening to Joe Morgan right after the Brewers signed Dave’s Lopes. He said something along the lines of “It’s great that a team hired another minority manager, but it’s too bad it’s on a team like the Brewers.” Now the Brewers were terrible at the time, but it really rubbed me the wrong way so he’s been dead to me since.

 

Here it is: https://www.newsday.com/sports/can-t-knock-oportunity-1.332717

[Lathund]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/columns/morgan_joe/1433286.html

 

I found this article from the dark ages about starting pitching written by Joe Morgan. I had forgotten how horrifically bad of an analyst he was.

 

My IQ is lower after reading that. Ugh. Sadly there are still some "analysts" like him still around, albeit a lot fewer. They still showed up last year to say that deGrom was an unworthy Cy Young winner because of his W-L record. Luckily we live in an era now where the voters paid no mind to that and he won in a landslide, but there's still some way to go in killing the W as a tool to evaluate performance.

[Eye Black]

I guess I missed this (LINK) a few weeks ago, but it appears Brent Suter has been throwing bullpen sessions since May and is on pace for a return to the mound in late July or early August. I assume he would have a lengthy set of minor league rehab appearances, but it’s nice to know there is a possibility he could be throwing meaningful pitches for the big league club this season.

[Lathund]

I've missed the Raptor, I love watching that guy pitch. And hit. And field. And run. And act. Underrated by many. Before he was hurt in 2018 he was putting up solid numbers on "not-in-play" run estimators like xFIP (4.07) and SIERA (4.15) while combining that with the 10th lowest exit velocity in the majors (Though giving up a fair amount of hard hit balls still..), suggesting he was due some improvement. Hard to see him as more than a #4-5 at best, but I'm sure we'd all have liked having a solid lefty #4-5 around so far this year...

[torts]

its pretty awesome to see Houser AND Hader provide meaningful innings. some of our "selling" in the past has really paid off

[Outlander]

Jimmy Nelson got paid for almost two years for basically not throwing a pitch in anger at the major league level. He also got hurt by diving into a base. That wasn’t the Brewers organizations fault. Just because he couldn’t do something that 6 year olds could do without being hurt for 18 months or whatever

 

Stephen A. Smith, Colin Cowherd and Skip Bayless would be impressed by the hotness of this take.

 

People need to quit crying for jimmy Nelson like the world did him wrong. Nobody did. He got hurt. On a basic baseball play. Happens

 

So now the major league team is stuck with a guy the rest of the year when he doesn’t belong here. Yet. Might as well bring Wang back too

Nobody is crying for Nelson, I'm more annoyed by the poor roster management by the Brewers as noted by others. They could have sent him back down after the first outing or been a little more aggressive in getting his second start in sooner and then sending him down if he didn't make progress. The front office sure knew how close he was to five years, be better at roster management instead of asking a player to be optioned like a week after he gets his five years in.

[stalton]

its pretty awesome to see Houser AND Hader provide meaningful innings. some of our "selling" in the past has really paid off

 

Not to mention the goods to parlay into Moose and Gamel

[Roderick]

Nobody is crying for Nelson, I'm more annoyed by the poor roster management by the Brewers as noted by others. They could have sent him back down after the first outing or been a little more aggressive in getting his second start in sooner and then sending him down if he didn't make progress. The front office sure knew how close he was to five years, be better at roster management instead of asking a player to be optioned like a week after he gets his five years in.

 

Basically, my thoughts.

 

I wouldn't have brought him up until he pitched a couple of games on normal rest versus the extra day he always got with SA. Would have also had him pitch at least to mid-90 pitch count in consecutive starts too. He only pitched one time over 87 pitches, his last outing. So they had no idea how he would react after pitching 97 that game.

 

Just curious how much of calling him up was - to keep a veteran happy versus the starting staff not really holding their own and looking for a bandaid.

[Eye Black]

FanGraphs article on Woodruff’s development and progression: Brandon Woodruff Rebuilt Himself as a Starter

[Brew crew 92]

Excellent! Rewarding some one throwing well. His stuff looks absolutely nasty in the few appearances I’ve seen. We’re due for a surprise guy coming up and dominating for awhile after all the immense failures.

 

Agree.

If Houser pitches as well in the rotation, as he has in the pen, it eliminates the overwhelming need to trade for a quality starter, and decimate our farm system. This is big. I also think Wilkerson is a possibility at some point to start. With his command of his mix of pitches, I believe, if given a real shot, he can pitch deep into games, like he did in AAA.

 

The pen is potentially weakened without Houser, but let’s see what Nelson, Wilkerson and Peralta do, and how they decide to deploy the 3. I’m fascinated to see.

[OldHeidelberg]

FanGraphs article on Woodruff’s development and progression: Brandon Woodruff Rebuilt Himself as a Starter

 

Nice read, thanks for posting that. I know a lot guys thought Woodruff's stuff would play better in the bullpen but he has developed the multi pitch mix that makes him still tough pitching into the 6th and 7th. I wonder if Grandall has helped him there, I remember during a game they were quoting Grandall from early in the season that Woodruff was close but needed to get the right mix on his pitches.

[Zad Fnark]

I thought I saw he actually hit 100 his last time out.