2019 Brewers' pitching staff

[MrTPlush]

Chase Anderson has been taken out with a pitch count of 83 or less 3 times and with a pitch count of about 95 twice. The dude hasn't even hit 100 pitches in a game, but pitch count is the reason he is getting taken out early? Yah, not sure I am buying that argument. Yes, throwing 20 pitches every inning is going to tire you, but I think Anderson can manage 100 pitches either way. Regardless I would rather have him throw 4-5 innings of good baseball vs. Chacin throwing a grand ole 4.75 innings on average of trash baseball...just for example. Which is probably similar to what Wilkerson could manage.

 

I mean honestly, you guys think Wilkerson is going to fair better? The same guy who was already sent away once for sucking on the MLB roster? You think Counsell, who won't give Anderson a leash, will let Wilkerson go 6 innings all the time? I think not.

 

AGAIN > Wilkerson has NEVER started 2 games in a row, so how do we know what he’d do IF FINALLY given 2-3 starts?

 

6-7 innings is what’s needed OCCASIONALLY from starters other than Davies, and we’re not getting that.

 

That is because of how the team is ran. They simply are too willing to go to the pen early or at first sign of trouble.

[Brew crew 92]

Chase Anderson has been taken out with a pitch count of 83 or less 3 times and with a pitch count of about 95 twice. The dude hasn't even hit 100 pitches in a game, but pitch count is the reason he is getting taken out early? Yah, not sure I am buying that argument. Yes, throwing 20 pitches every inning is going to tire you, but I think Anderson can manage 100 pitches either way. Regardless I would rather have him throw 4-5 innings of good baseball vs. Chacin throwing a grand ole 4.75 innings on average of trash baseball...just for example. Which is probably similar to what Wilkerson could manage.

 

I mean honestly, you guys think Wilkerson is going to fair better? The same guy who was already sent away once for sucking on the MLB roster? You think Counsell, who won't give Anderson a leash, will let Wilkerson go 6 innings all the time? I think not.

 

AGAIN > Wilkerson has NEVER started 2 games in a row, so how do we know what he’d do IF FINALLY given 2-3 starts?

 

6-7 innings is what’s needed OCCASIONALLY from starters other than Davies, and we’re not getting that.

 

That is because of how the team is ran. They simply are too willing to go to the pen early or at first sign of trouble.

 

Yes, your right, but I said occasional, and If the pens been worked a lot, then he’ll let him pitch as long as he’s pitching well.

[Jopal78]

Other than getting knocked around the short starts are a product of the Brewers having pitchers like Anderson, Chacín, Wilkerson, likely Nelson without stuff to blow hitters away and spotty command.

It’s playing the percentages that the more a hitter seems them in a game the more the less likely they’re going to get away with it when they have to throw hittable pitches in the zone.

 

Burnes and Peralta throw hard enough but struggle with their command.

 

Ultimately, when you are a poor organization in terms of developing starting pitching and you don’t have the funds to sink 20+ million dollars a year into quality pitching; you go with the flawed talent and play the percentages (it’s just not working as well as it did last year).

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I didn't get to see a single minute of the game on Thursday.

 

How did failed starter Freddy Peralta look?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I didn't get to see a single minute of the game on Thursday.

 

How did failed starter Freddy Peralta look?

 

We got good Freddy. It was awesome. Hopefully it's a step toward putting his bipolar ways behind him.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I didn't get to see a single minute of the game on Thursday.

 

How did failed starter Freddy Peralta look?

 

We got good Freddy. It was awesome. Hopefully it's a step toward putting his bipolar ways behind him.

 

I did read the game story about him pitching with a quicker pace. Hopefully that was the needed fix.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I didn't get to see a single minute of the game on Thursday.

 

How did failed starter Freddy Peralta look?

 

We got good Freddy. It was awesome. Hopefully it's a step toward putting his bipolar ways behind him.

 

I did read the game story about him pitching with a quicker pace. Hopefully that was the needed fix.

 

The quicker pace definitely seemed to keep the Marlins off balance. Freddy was hitting his spots well, too. Also dialing it up to 95-96 on the gun. When he's got his command going, he can be great.

[Brew crew 92]

I didn't get to see a single minute of the game on Thursday.

 

How did failed starter Freddy Peralta look?

 

Fantastic, I might have spoken too soon with the failed starter for this year comment.

 

Here’s hoping they send him down to start and mix and get better for his next big league start.

[pacopete4]

Oh you might’ve?

[Eye Black]

The quicker pace definitely seemed to keep the Marlins off balance. Freddy was hitting his spots well, too. Also dialing it up to 95-96 on the gun. When he's got his command going, he can be great.

I am really intrigued by the whole taking less time between pitches thing. Counsell seemed to really believe it made a big difference in Freddy staying ramped up and throwing harder throughout the outing.

 

Looks like Freddy touched 97 mph at least once, but was consistently in the 94-96 range. He averaged 94.48 mph on his heater per Brooks Baseball.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Lest we not forget that 97 is the equivalent of 99-100 (!!!) given Freddy's physics-defying release point. This is someone you stick with because if it all comes together, you've got something special. And he just turned 23 last week.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

He's had some pretty dramatic splits between day and night games. He has about 200 OPS points less during the day over his career (almost 300 OPS points this year). Way too early to call that a trend with the small sample size, but its something to keep an eye on. He may feel more loose during the warmer daytime and is throwing harder as a result.

[Brew crew 92]

Lest we not forget that 97 is the equivalent of 99-100 (!!!) given Freddy's physics-defying release point. This is someone you stick with because if it all comes together, you've got something special. And he just turned 23 last week.

 

Rotation???

 

1.) Woodruff

2.) Davies

 

These 2 in^^

 

3.) ?

4.) ?

5.) ?

 

Who’s the other 3?

 

Nelson Chacín Gio Anderson Peralta Houser Wilkerson

 

Then who to the pen? And who to AAA?

[82brewcrew82]

Lest we not forget that 97 is the equivalent of 99-100 (!!!) given Freddy's physics-defying release point. This is someone you stick with because if it all comes together, you've got something special. And he just turned 23 last week.

[sarcasm]I've been told, at great length, that Freddy Peralta does not have the make up to be a starting pitcher. I would appreciate it if you stopped making this claim and just agreed with my opinion because I will be forced to write a 27 paragraph retort if you do not.

 

Also, I've determined that if you randomly remove Barnes' worst four performances that he is the best pitcher we have.[/sarcasm]

[torts]

I don't know whats a bigger win for the rotation, Nelson coming back, or Anderson coming back. Either way, adding those two to the mix this year makes up for inactivity in getting an arm in my opinion.

[tmwiese55]

I don't know whats a bigger win for the rotation, Nelson coming back, or Anderson coming back. Either way, adding those two to the mix this year makes up for inactivity in getting an arm in my opinion.

 

Right, it seems they're going with the depth strategy much like last year. Really at this point you kind of only have two locked in starters like last year at the end with Chacin/Miley, and then it's kind of patchwork. It's much earlier in the year this time around though which could be problematic, however I think it's balanced by more talent this year so I think they'll end up better overall. Sure would be nice if burnes regains his lights out form of last year to sure up the pen and help make this strategy more effective as you're going to need some quality multi inning work from relievers.

 

Also, IMO we don't need told ya so posts back and forth after every game.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Houser is really starting to come on and could be filling that important middle inning role

[FVBrewerFan]

Lest we not forget that 97 is the equivalent of 99-100 (!!!) given Freddy's physics-defying release point. This is someone you stick with because if it all comes together, you've got something special. And he just turned 23 last week.

 

Rotation???

 

1.) Woodruff

2.) Davies

 

These 2 in^^

 

3.) ?

4.) ?

5.) ?

 

Who’s the other 3?

 

Nelson Chacín Gio Anderson Peralta Houser Wilkerson

 

Then who to the pen? And who to AAA?

 

We need to forget about the 5 man rotation as we knew it. It's been dead for years now, at least in Milwaukee. Even before Stearns arrived.

 

My guess is Nelson stays, gets at least a couple more starts. Anderson stays, he's actually been effective as a starter. Kept on a short leash in close games he's fine. 5th I believe will be Chacin, too much success last year not to give him more chances.

 

Thing is though, that's now. It will change often from now until the end of the year. Davies and/or Woodruff could fall off or get injured. Ditto for Nelson, Anderson, Chacin. Until then, Gio and Houser in the pen and Peralta either pen or AAA. Too many factors to know which. But they will continue to tinker with IL, sending someone down, etc. Ideally we could get at least 4 consistent guys in the rotation for the long term, but that never seems to happen. So instead you keep giving chances to 7-9 guys and hope something sticks.

 

I also predict they will work through the schedule and find day games for Peralta to start. His delivery clearly plays much better in day games at this point in his career.

[tmwiese55]

Agree, I think we'll have a revolving door for those last couple of spots. Lots of creativity around off days, injuries, IL stints to rest, and the like.

 

Side note, I think I saw MN has only started 5 guys so far this. Has to be the only team. And their offense is just mashing there, good for them. Still figure they'll find a way to lose to the Yanks in the playoffs, as usual for them.

[Oxy]

If we make the playoffs, the only pitchers on the staff right now who have a greater than 90% chance of making the playoff roster are Hader and Woodruff. Jeffress and Davies I'd put right at 90%. Everybody else I'd put at 75% or lower.

 

That's an extremely odd position to be in for a team with World Series aspirations, but that's how I see it right now.

[Brew crew 92]

If we make the playoffs, the only pitchers on the staff right now who have a greater than 90% chance of making the playoff roster are Hader and Woodruff. Jeffress and Davies I'd put right at 90%. Everybody else I'd put at 75% or lower.

 

That's an extremely odd position to be in for a team with World Series aspirations, but that's how I see it right now.

 

Really interesting take.

 

Only I’d add Guerra at the 90%

 

Hoping that by playoff time Burnes Peralta Houser Nelson Anderson are also no doubters.

[ebmackenzie]

Sorry if I missed this mentioned earlier, but what would it take for Jay Jackson and his re-birth to be put back on the 40 man this year? His numbers are great now.

[Brew crew 92]

Sorry if I missed this mentioned earlier, but what would it take for Jay Jackson and his re-birth to be put back on the 40 man this year? His numbers are great now.

 

I’d be for a trade of Barnes Williams, if no takers, DFA em, get Perdomo and Jackson on the potential shuttle. Jackson’s been great down below, but had a rough go of it first time around with the crew. Perdomo and Jackson cant be worse than Williams Barnes, and even if they are bad, at least it’s not the same ol same ol.

 

With Nelson and the abundance of starter arms, don’t think the shuttle will be used quite as often moving forward. But if it does, it be nice to see arms not named Barnes Williams.

[homer]

Sorry if I missed this mentioned earlier, but what would it take for Jay Jackson and his re-birth to be put back on the 40 man this year? His numbers are great now.

 

I’d be for a trade of Barnes Williams, if no takers, DFA em, get Perdomo and Jackson on the potential shuttle. Jackson’s been great down below, but had a rough go of it first time around with the crew. Perdomo and Jackson cant be worse than Williams Barnes, and even if they are bad, at least it’s not the same ol same ol.

 

With Nelson and the abundance of starter arms, don’t think the shuttle will be used quite as often moving forward. But if it does, it be nice to see arms not named Barnes Williams.

 

In the interest of clarity, please either put a slash between the last names or use "or" so people don't think you're talking about some new guy named Barnes Williams.

 

Thanks.

[djoctagone]

Sorry if I missed this mentioned earlier, but what would it take for Jay Jackson and his re-birth to be put back on the 40 man this year? His numbers are great now.

remember why jackson was outrighted off the 40-man after being optioned? the guy who replaced him is still on the 40-man and can easily be cut.