2019 Brewers' pitching staff

[wntrtxn21]

"We've got to figure out a way to get him pitching" was Counsell's response twice when asked directly if Chacin would remain in the rotation. That's as close to a "no" as you're going to get immediately following a game.

 

Chacin is pitching like garbage in his walk year. If Nelson comes up, Chacin is the prime candidate to go to the pen. Burnes or Peralta (maybe both when Shaw comes back) go down.

[TJseven7]

Let me put this in the more appropriate thread too...

"Agree, starting he was a disaster, but of 10 relief appearances he’s only had one bad outing, albeit really bad, the rest good. Maybe the crew believes, as I do, that sending him to to AAA again not needed and the brewers, like I, think he can help the pen big time moving forward."

 

4 appearances allowing 7 3 3 2 in 5 ip is pretty rough.

 

7 good outings 10IP at a 0.00 ERA

4 bad outings 5IP at a 27.00 ERA

63% good outings

 

When do you go to him? And lets compare...

 

12 good outings 12IP at a 0.00 ERA

4 bad outings 3.2IP at 29.45 ERA

75% good outings

 

Burnes has been very similar to Barnes this year in the pen. Sending him down was pretty unanimous. This is not to say anything bad about Burnes. At 24 after flying up the system a lot of us expected great things from Woodruff. 2 years later that's looking like its coming to fruition. After 8 starts at 4.81 ERA at 24. Burnes could need the same thing. Got his majors taste at 24, back to AAA for the year. Next year show up in the 2nd half mostly out of the pen. 2021 the road could be less bumpy. I'm good with a delayed if that nets quality 5 years of control. He has to fix his FB control. He has to trust and control his full starters profile of pitches. He's too young.

[TJseven7]

"We've got to figure out a way to get him pitching" was Counsell's response twice when asked directly if Chacin would remain in the rotation. That's as close to a "no" as you're going to get immediately following a game.

 

Chacin is pitching like garbage in his walk year. If Nelson comes up, Chacin is the prime candidate to go to the pen. Burnes or Peralta (maybe both when Shaw comes back) go down.

 

Unlike Burnes, Peralta has actually been a godsend out of the pen. 12.1IP 2.19 ERA 12h 3bb 13k in 4 outings. I'd prefer him to stay a 2-3IP reliever.

 

The era has gone from 8.31 to 5.68 in his last 5 outings and 1 of the 5 was a 4IP start. No one here wants 4IP starts.

 

I like the look of Peralta Hader shortening games to 5 innings in the playoffs.

[Brew crew 92]

Here’s what I’d do:

 

Call up Wilkerson Nelson to the rotation, Anderson Chacín to the pen, Houser Peralta Burnes to AAA to stretch and start.

 

12 man staff.

 

Rotation:

 

Woodruff

Davies

Gio

Nelson

Wilkerson

 

Wilkerson has nothing left to prove down below, 0.45, and should be given an opportunity to start at the big league level. Nelson has shown down below he can be at a minimum 4/5.

 

Bullpen:

 

Anderson

Chacín

 

Claudio

Albers

Jeffress

Guerra

Hader

 

All pen arms can pitch multiple innings except Claudio in high leverage.

[JohnBriggs12]

I can easily see Chacin coming up with a phantom injury (shoulder tightness for instance) and being replaced by Nelson. Don't the Dodgers do that all the time with their 8 or 9 starters? I don't see Jhoulys going to the pen.

[Eye Black]

Per Adam McCalvy...

 

Link #1: Brewers are placing Gio Gonzalez on the 10-day injured list what Craig Counsell described as a case of dead arm. No pain, just a “not right” feeling, CC said, perhaps related to his late signing.

 

Manny Pina activated from the IL in the corresponding move.

 

Link #2: Zach Davies will start Sunday in Gio's spot.

[folly412]

They technically don't need a starter until Saturday. I could see Chase going on normal rest Tuesday, then Jimmy taking Chacin's spot on Wednesday. Chacin is either given a few extra days and starts Saturday or we get someone else in. Maybe give one more shot to AAAAron Wilkerson, who has nothing left to prove in the minors.

[Lathund]

Gio's IL stint was retroactive to his start on Wednesday, so if it's a minimum length stint he could return to make the start himself on the 8th. Essentially just skipping him once in the rotation.

[DHonks]

I can see Jimmy getting a start next weekend, with Chacin and Anderson pitching to see who comes out when Geo is back

[Brew crew 92]

I don’t believe the crew is going to recall Nelson at a minimum, until he’s back on 4 days rest between starts. When he’s on 4 days and recovering well, I would think his call-up would be imminent at that point.

 

Hoping for a shakeup with the pitching staff. Chacín to the pen, replaced by Wilkerson, with Peralta to AAA to get stretched.

 

Then when Nelson’s back, Anderson to the pen, with Burnes to AAA to stretch.

 

That would potentially help the rotation go deeper with Wilkerson being more efficient with his pitches and Nelson being a potential horse again.

 

The pen would have 3 starter arms and that alone should give much needed rest to Hader Jeffress Guerra.

[homer]

Chacin to the IL. Does this mean Nelson makes his first start on Thursday?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Chacin to the IL. Does this mean Nelson makes his first start on Thursday?

 

Wednesday's start would be up in the air as well. Nelson is slated to pitch on Tuesday, so it makes sense. I think it's likely that we see Jimmy's debut this week.

 

Of course, Wilkerson is the AAA version of Cy Young this year, so it wouldn't surprise me to see him come up and make a spot start too. Wow is it nice having so much solid starting pitching depth at the team's disposal.

[young guns]

Woody can start Thursday on normal rest and Davies on normal rest on Friday, so its Wednesday and Saturday up in the air. I believe gio is eligible to come off for Saturday's start if hes ready by then.

[LouisEly]

Chacin to the IL. Does this mean Nelson makes his first start on Thursday?

 

Wednesday's start would be up in the air as well. Nelson is slated to pitch on Tuesday, so it makes sense. I think it's likely that we see Jimmy's debut this week.

 

Of course, Wilkerson is the AAA version of Cy Young this year, so it wouldn't surprise me to see him come up and make a spot start too. Wow is it nice having so much solid starting pitching depth at the team's disposal.

Wednesday is Wilkerson's turn in the rotation, since he last pitched on Friday.

[Lathund]

Jimmy!

 

[TJseven7]

Ok so our pitching staff. I did this IGT yesterday roughly and this is the exact version.

 

The problem.

Peralta starting 25.2 IP ERA 7.37

Burnes 32.2 IP ERA 9.92

Barnes 15.2 IP ERA 6.89

Wilson 11.1 IP ERA 9.53

 

Combined 85.1IP ERA 8.54. That is roughly 9.5 games of 8.54 ERA.

 

The rest of the staff

452IP ERA 3.70

 

Wilson is in AAA

Barnes is back due to having 9 lives

Peralta is in the pen where he's pitched 12.1 IP at 2.19 ERA

Burnes......

 

9.5 games these misplaced guys have allowed 8.54 earned runs per game.

That leaves 49.5 games where the team allows 3.75 earned runs per game

 

Of the 17 unearned runs.... 7 happened during Peralta Burnes Barnes and Wilson misplaced outings.

 

When you take Peralta out of the starting rotation

When you demote Barnes Wilson and Burnes

Even after you factor in the unearned runs

 

Milwaukee is giving up 3.95 runs per game. Earned and Unearned.

 

Get Gio back, get Chacin back. Welcome back Nelson. Send Barnes back to AAA. Let Burnes hone his craft in AAA. Keep Freddy in the pen.

 

The numbers are there, the arms are there for this team to allow less than 4 runs per game. 4 people in the wrong roles (or on the MLB roster all together) are ruining the results.

 

With the offense scoring 5.08 runs per game.

And a pitching staff allowing 3.95 runs per game.

MKE would be +1.13 run diff and that's 95-100 win stuff.

[82brewcrew82]

That's a great job of telling us what HAS happened but there is absolutely nothing predictive about that post if for no other reason (and this isn't the only reason) a small sample size. I mean, you're saying Peratla is going to continue this pace based on 12 innings? Is there a potion that makes Peratla a different pitcher out of the pen and if so, why haven't they given it to Burnes? Why do we just get to ignore Peratla's overall performance? You can't just cherry pick the data that supports your narrative (which is definitely the pot calling the kettle black here).

 

Aside from that, you are making some big assumptions. Do we really think Gonzalez or Chacin aren't capable of equally bad stretches? Is every pitcher you like going to stay health? Of course not. Burnes, Barnes, Wilson and Williams are all part of this teams depth and all them will most likely pitch major league innings for this team again this year. What happens when Woodruff hits his innings limit?

 

Time will tell whether there is enough pitching. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not seeing it.

[TJseven7]

You are just crabby because you called the kids aces and they proved they weren't ready to be starters. Peralta doesn't have a starters pitch profile. His stuff plays better out of the pen. Burnes is a totally different story. It is not surprising at all that Peralta has been better out of the pen. He throws the FB nearly 80% of the time.

 

As for assumptions. 4 guys have tanked this ERA. There are a number of guys who could do better and a number who could do worse. The fact is 4 guys have tanked the teams ERA. The team does this seemingly every year where they work through a couple starters and pen arms until they've shuttled the staff to the right mix. When Gio Chacin and Nelson are up, sending Burnes Barnes and Williams down that mix is set.

 

But hey, thanks for pissing on a guy for putting this together. Classy stuff. I know number and facts aren't cool because opinions and hypotheticals matter more.

[Brew crew 92]

You are just crabby because you called the kids aces and they proved they weren't ready to be starters. Peralta doesn't have a starters pitch profile. His stuff plays better out of the pen. Burnes is a totally different story.

 

No, that was me, thanks for the reminder. Ha

[TJseven7]

You are just crabby because you called the kids aces and they proved they weren't ready to be starters. Peralta doesn't have a starters pitch profile. His stuff plays better out of the pen. Burnes is a totally different story.

 

No, that was me, thanks for the reminder. Ha

 

Seriously you two need to change your names so they don't run together in my memory.

[Oxy]

You are just crabby because you called the kids aces and they proved they weren't ready to be starters. Peralta doesn't have a starters pitch profile. His stuff plays better out of the pen. Burnes is a totally different story.

 

No, that was me, thanks for the reminder. Ha

 

Seriously you two need to change your names so they don't run together in my memory.

 

Agreed. Along with True Blue Brew Crew. I have no idea who has posted what among those 3.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

You are just crabby because you called the kids aces and they proved they weren't ready to be starters. Peralta doesn't have a starters pitch profile. His stuff plays better out of the pen. Burnes is a totally different story. It is not surprising at all that Peralta has been better out of the pen. He throws the FB nearly 80% of the time.

 

As for assumptions. 4 guys have tanked this ERA. There are a number of guys who could do better and a number who could do worse. The fact is 4 guys have tanked the teams ERA. The team does this seemingly every year where they work through a couple starters and pen arms until they've shuttled the staff to the right mix. When Gio Chacin and Nelson are up, sending Burnes Barnes and Williams down that mix is set.

 

But hey, thanks for pissing on a guy for putting this together. Classy stuff. I know number and facts aren't cool because opinions and hypotheticals matter more.

 

Weren't you the one who went on a full blown tirade when the Brewers didn't sign Alex Cobb prior to last season?

[True Blue Brew Crew]

As for assumptions. 4 guys have tanked this ERA. The fact is 4 guys have tanked the teams ERA.

 

Which teams' cumulative ERA wouldn't look good if you lopped off their 4 worst performers? Not many.

[NYChez]

Somehow the result of the Pittsburgh series is Hader, Guerra, Jeffress, Albers, and Houser getting a 72-hour rest before the Brewers take the field again - plus Williams and Barnes being fresh. Thank you, Davies.

[TJseven7]

You are just crabby because you called the kids aces and they proved they weren't ready to be starters. Peralta doesn't have a starters pitch profile. His stuff plays better out of the pen. Burnes is a totally different story. It is not surprising at all that Peralta has been better out of the pen. He throws the FB nearly 80% of the time.

 

As for assumptions. 4 guys have tanked this ERA. There are a number of guys who could do better and a number who could do worse. The fact is 4 guys have tanked the teams ERA. The team does this seemingly every year where they work through a couple starters and pen arms until they've shuttled the staff to the right mix. When Gio Chacin and Nelson are up, sending Burnes Barnes and Williams down that mix is set.

 

But hey, thanks for pissing on a guy for putting this together. Classy stuff. I know number and facts aren't cool because opinions and hypotheticals matter more.

 

Weren't you the one who went on a full blown tirade when the Brewers didn't sign Alex Cobb prior to last season?

 

Axe to grind, aye? Trolling me all over the forum today huh?